2elijah said:

Uh...some of us are still waiting for 20ten to be released in the US, if that ever happens at all.

^ This.

I know the most important thing on an album are the SONGS. But I admit I love Prince´s long jams (like ´Im yours´ or ´She spoke 2 me´). And in the past years, Prince released several short albums (Lotus Flow3r being exception), with not so strong songs IMO.

I will listen to my copy of 20Ten tonight, but I have the feeling I will miss the long jams/guitar parts and the variety of music styles. But I have a feeling I will enjoy it a lot more than MPLSound.

[Edited 8/1/10 13:37pm]

Other than that, same old same old. Not bored lol

GustavoRibas said:

I know the most important thing on an album are the SONGS. But I admit I love Prince´s long jams (like ´Im yours´ or ´She spoke 2 me´). And in the past years, Prince released several short albums (Lotus Flow3r being exception), with not so strong songs IMO.

I will listen to my copy of 20Ten tonight, but I have the feeling I will miss the long jams/guitar parts and the variety of music styles. But I have a feeling I will enjoy it a lot more than MPLSound.

[Edited 8/1/10 13:37pm]

20ten definitely lacks memorable guitar parts, imo. Other than a couple of nice funk rhythm parts.

Again?

I thought you'd wait a bit longer (though not much longer) for your next 'I'm bored' terrible drama.

I never thought I'd say this, but yeah. I think it's because Prince isn't promoting it. I feel like, if Prince doesn't care about it, should I?

Weird, I know.

RodeoSchro said:

I never thought I'd say this, but yeah. I think it's because Prince isn't promoting it. I feel like, if Prince doesn't care about it, should I?

Weird, I know.

That really wierd of you to say he's not promoting it when it came out in print media with quite a bit of fanfare on each magazine/newspapers part. Also everyone has been complaining about him repeatedly wearing the 20Ten shirt at his shows(which coincided with the release of the CD). But other than that he's been completely ignoring it.

HonestMan13 said:

RodeoSchro said:

I never thought I'd say this, but yeah. I think it's because Prince isn't promoting it. I feel like, if Prince doesn't care about it, should I?

Weird, I know.

That really wierd of you to say he's not promoting it when it came out in print media with quite a bit of fanfare on each magazine/newspapers part. Also everyone has been complaining about him repeatedly wearing the 20Ten shirt at his shows(which coincided with the release of the CD). But other than that he's been completely ignoring it.

Yeah, but the newspapers promoted it. Prince didn't. And you're right - the 20Ten shirt is the complete sum of Prince's promotion.

Some would call the European concerts promotion, but he didn't play anything from 20Ten, did he? I mean, other than a few seconds of "Future Soul Song", right?

thedance said:

Don't misunderstand me, and think I'm not appreciating the "20Ten" album, it's great about 7 /10 imo... the album is OK, could be better, could be worse....

AND now we're waiting all again, another year maybe.

Hmmmmmmm it tends to be very boring being a Prince fan - all this waiting for the *next* funk experience.

What do you think, what should we do and discuss in the meantime, untill another Prince CD is released again...

Aren't you bored... like me....

I never have this problem when rock n roll albums are released- it just stick to your bones longer. 20ten; equivalent to a drive through meal- totally lacks longevity.

Cerebus said:

I'm pretty chill at the moment, actually. Been listening to more Prince lately than I have since the month Lotusflow3r was released. Plus, all these comparison threads have prompted me to give another listen to everything he's released in the last decade.

That's how I feel too. I've been in an MJ daze for about a year, pulling out the old J5/Jacksons stuff, pulling out unreleased music, bla bla bla, but I'm like okay now what? I need to fill up the iPod with something since I don't listen to the radio. So out came the Prince CD's, then 20Ten, which I happen to really like. It's not my all time favorite, I miss all that epic guitar and panio from the old days. Still It's nice to go back and listen to things you haven't heard in a while, so that's where I am with Prince. I'm on a mission to see him live again, so I'm waiting for that, and if the opportunity comes up and I have to fly my ass to Europe to do so then I have no problems with that. But in the meantime, me and P, we good.

[Edited 8/1/10 17:57pm]

RodeoSchro said:

Yeah, but the newspapers promoted it. Prince didn't. And you're right - the 20Ten shirt is the complete sum of Prince's promotion.

Some would call the European concerts promotion, but he didn't play anything from 20Ten, did he? I mean, other than a few seconds of "Future Soul Song", right?

This is something that annoys me. Prince almost doesnt play his recent songs. Nothing from Lotus (only Crimson and Dreamer when he was promoting), 2 or 3 songs from MPLSound and no 20Ten yet...he doesnt play much of Musicology and 3121, also.

HonestMan13 said:

I'm quite fine at the moment. I've been enjoying 20Ten and some other artists as well. I don't take the same approach that some orgers do when it comes to a new Prince CD. They tend to break it down to 10 second bit and overanalyze every single sound. At what point did it stop being music and turn into a science project? Sometimes it's cool to just sit back and listen and enjoy(or not, whatever your case may be). When you feel the need to break it down so completely it must not seem like a pleasurable experience any longer. It just becomes a task to complete.

You've said everything I've said in here at some point or another in the last 2 years.

Oh and I'm not bored with Prince at all. I'm quite pleased and I can't wait to buy this CD in the stores when it comes out.

GustavoRibas said:

RodeoSchro said:

Yeah, but the newspapers promoted it. Prince didn't. And you're right - the 20Ten shirt is the complete sum of Prince's promotion.

Some would call the European concerts promotion, but he didn't play anything from 20Ten, did he? I mean, other than a few seconds of "Future Soul Song", right?

This is something that annoys me. Prince almost doesnt play his recent songs. Nothing from Lotus (only Crimson and Dreamer when he was promoting), 2 or 3 songs from MPLSound and no 20Ten yet...he doesnt play much of Musicology and 3121, also.

Hmm that's interesting.

i've been listening to tons of prince lately. lots of 2000+ stuff, and i have a better appreciation for alot of it. some of it has really grown on me, especially Lotusflow3r. i liked it anyway but now i am really feeling it.

blackbob said:

i take it your taking the piss here....?......prince is thee most prolific artist in history......the amount of music he has released is scary and as for the unofficial stuff...... .....i could listen non stop for days and still not scrach the surface........you are taking the piss ...

I know..Im almost exhausted...I just seen there are like 3 more new bootlegs out there...exhausting! Its like..the album..and the following are usually the bootlegs...I still have boots to listen to from the Xenophobia tour and One Night Alone.....exhausting!

Literally, if you re bored being a Prince fan u just don't know where to look. I still havent heard the 999 shows yet, and I hear there are more new parade rehearsals out there...good gawd..I just got Le New Morning..I cant fit all this in my ipod

NoVideo said:

i've been listening to tons of prince lately. lots of 2000+ stuff, and i have a better appreciation for alot of it. some of it has really grown on me, especially Lotusflow3r. i liked it anyway but now i am really feeling it.

- Lotus Flow3r is like TRC, IMO. It´s the kind of album that a person should listen to with earphones, relaxed, paying attention to every detail. For those who appreciate arrangements/guitar playing, it´s so cool to hear that Prince did so many cool things there.

GustavoRibas said:

NoVideo said:

i've been listening to tons of prince lately. lots of 2000+ stuff, and i have a better appreciation for alot of it. some of it has really grown on me, especially Lotusflow3r. i liked it anyway but now i am really feeling it.

- Lotus Flow3r is like TRC, IMO. It´s the kind of album that a person should listen to with earphones, relaxed, paying attention to every detail. For those who appreciate arrangements/guitar playing, it´s so cool to hear that Prince did so many cool things there.

I loooove trying to wonder what the world is going on inside "...Back To The Lotus" The lotus flower

from another thread

From a Lotus Flow3r
somewhere in the South Pacific corner of my studio...

(music)

From up in the clouds, the enemy of your seed
performs a righteous deed.

(various sighs, moans, and exhales)

It looks a little gray to the atmosphere
that's been corrupted by the impure,"cleansing" all the airways.

(moans, sighs)

(*faint voice in the background speaks the following*)

"Don't fret! It's done. at this point...over...alright"

(*faint voice in background...different than the first speaks*)

"what?"

And the Lotus Flow3r somewhere in the South Pacific corner of my studio

GustavoRibas said:

NoVideo said:

i've been listening to tons of prince lately. lots of 2000+ stuff, and i have a better appreciation for alot of it. some of it has really grown on me, especially Lotusflow3r. i liked it anyway but now i am really feeling it.

- Lotus Flow3r is like TRC, IMO. It´s the kind of album that a person should listen to with earphones, relaxed, paying attention to every detail. For those who appreciate arrangements/guitar playing, it´s so cool to hear that Prince did so many cool things there.

I'm not a fan of TRC in general, but I agree with what you said about Lotusflow3r. It has a very warm, rich sound compared to some of his other more recent work which can be a bit sterile and overpolished at times. Headphones are great, but I prefer playing the vinyl, turning it up on the surround sound, and just letting it play all the way through. My appreciation for Lotusflow3r has grown immensely in the last few months.

[Edited 8/2/10 7:41am]

NoVideo said:

I'm not a fan of TRC in general, but I agree with what you said about Lotusflow3r. It has a very warm, rich sound compared to some of his other more recent work which can be a bit sterile and overpolished at times. Headphones is great, but I prefer playing the vinyl, turning it up on the surround sound, and just letting it play all the way through. My appreciate for Lotusflow3r has grown immensely in the last few months.

- Wow, must be a great experience, vinyl + surround

GustavoRibas said:

NoVideo said:

I'm not a fan of TRC in general, but I agree with what you said about Lotusflow3r. It has a very warm, rich sound compared to some of his other more recent work which can be a bit sterile and overpolished at times. Headphones is great, but I prefer playing the vinyl, turning it up on the surround sound, and just letting it play all the way through. My appreciate for Lotusflow3r has grown immensely in the last few months.

- Wow, must be a great experience, vinyl + surround

It really is, especially Back 2 the Lotus, and Colonized Mind. Really just an awesome record, great waves of sound.

My only complaint is Crimson & Clover... I think it works much better with The Morning After, but the vinyl version includes Crimson & Clover instead. Oh well..

[Edited 8/2/10 7:52am]

MikeyB71 said:

I'm not bored at all, never have been, disappointed a few times but never bored.

same here. I've only been dissapointed a few times with a new prince album. Mainly with Come & Chaos and Disorder when they were released. At the time I though they were throwaway albums released to fulfill the WB contract. At the time with Come specifically, at the time I thought he had kept his stronger material for the Gold Experience and gave WB the outtakes.

However, now I think Come and Chaos and Disorder are both outstanding. I even now listen to Come more than I listen to tGE.

And like the poster said earlier, not only to I like 20ten, I find myself pulling out some of his other recent albums, such as 3121 and Musicology and find that I forgot just how good those albums are.

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who likes Prince largely because of the diversity of his music. He does so many things kinds of music well (and can blend different styles within a given sing). Call My Name, Dreamer, Laydown, 3 completely different types of songs, each of which I think is outstanding. This diversity is what makes me a fan. I doubt I'd still be buying his music if he was on Purple Rain v20. The best contrasting example I can think of is Boston. When their first album came out I thought it they had an outstanding fresh new sound. Then came their second album - it was a clone of the first. They went on a lengthy hiatus and then came out with their 3rd album. It was another clone. Why even bother. If I hear a Boston song now, I have a hard time even remembering which songs were the hits because they all pretty much blend together. That's hardly the case with Prince.

Maybe there's someone out there, but I really don't know who else is going to give you the diversity of

The Truth

One Night Alone

Xpectation

The Rainbow Children

Lotusflow3r

edit: I guess TRC and Lotus overlap a bit, but you get the idea.

or the diversity of Compassion, Future Soul Song, and Laydown across tracks of a single album. How do you get bored with that - I sometimes put on an album and play it straight through, other times put my 540 tracks in my Prince - best of iTunes collection (the tracks I've marked as 5 star) on random shuffle, other times put my Prince - All of collection on random shuffle.

I'm certainly on the lookout for new Prince music (one reason I regularly visit the org, you never know when there will be a new prince track), but far from being bored, the biggest challenge is trying to absorb it all. Hot Summer and Cause and Effect were largely lost tracks until I had 20ten to attach them to. Pink Cashmere was a overlooked track for me until I noticed it in Girl 6, now it's one of my very favorites. I clearly remember how good albums like Purple Rain and SIgn O the Times were, but forget how good 3121 or musicology are until I listen to them again.

[Edited 8/2/10 9:11am]

RodeoSchro said:

HonestMan13 said:

That really wierd of you to say he's not promoting it when it came out in print media with quite a bit of fanfare on each magazine/newspapers part. Also everyone has been complaining about him repeatedly wearing the 20Ten shirt at his shows(which coincided with the release of the CD). But other than that he's been completely ignoring it.

Yeah, but the newspapers promoted it. Prince didn't. And you're right - the 20Ten shirt is the complete sum of Prince's promotion.

Some would call the European concerts promotion, but he didn't play anything from 20Ten, did he? I mean, other than a few seconds of "Future Soul Song", right?

I'm sure that was part of the deal. I don't think they would pay Prince in advance for something and then he tells them no to even mention it anywhere. It was promoted and it's only been out for 22 days. Give him a chance to hit the road and make a video.

purplecam said:

HonestMan13 said:

I'm quite fine at the moment. I've been enjoying 20Ten and some other artists as well. I don't take the same approach that some orgers do when it comes to a new Prince CD. They tend to break it down to 10 second bit and overanalyze every single sound. At what point did it stop being music and turn into a science project? Sometimes it's cool to just sit back and listen and enjoy(or not, whatever your case may be). When you feel the need to break it down so completely it must not seem like a pleasurable experience any longer. It just becomes a task to complete.

You've said everything I've said in here at some point or another in the last 2 years.

Oh and I'm not bored with Prince at all. I'm quite pleased and I can't wait to buy this CD in the stores when it comes out.

It's like Prince is obligated to perform every track from the new CD live, tour the planet twice, make videos, do tv spots and he only has 1 month to do it in or his fanbase gets antsy! People need to relax a bit and let it marinate a while!

yup i am completely bored with prince for sure

when 20ten first arrived i was pretty UP on it but looking back .. i think i may have just been happy that there wasnt anything so cringworthy on it that i was completely disgusted with myself as a prince fan.

there are a few catch parts but unfortunately there is absolutely no single song on this new record that i get excited to hear when i think about it.

at least on lotus there was 'here' and 'dance 4 me'

and on planet earth there was 'chelsae rodgers'

but sincerely there is nothing on this new record that actually excites me. sticky like glue has moments but the rap is painful and the chorus just isnt really there

i like the production .. i think he really worked on that .. but the songs are still D grade prince material.

i really like the concepts .. much moreso than say a rainbow children record.

but poetically prince remains uninspired and lifeless. "this is the future soul song" is such a horrible chorus. imagine "this is the purple rain song" as the chorus of purple rain.

are we spoiled .. hmm i dont think so .. i think prince is spoiled .. even tho he made a stink about WARNER BROS holding him back .. the fact is his fan base was obsessed enough that he got away with feeding us drivel for huge stacks of money for 20 years . its like the 300 pound heart attack man still buying big macs .. is mcdonalds spoiled YES they get away with this sort of cheap murder .. at least prince isnt physicallly destroying our bodies but none the less he has got his fan base ADDICTED and he gets away with it over and over.

my theory is that he does try .. he gets an idea like say the production values of 20ten or the concept of rainbow children or whatever .. then he just comes up with songs so that he can experiment with his bigger idea .. so we get the ole linn production or some spiritual themed record or whatever but the SONGS the SONGS are not finished .. they are ideas to suit his latest concept or attempt at art but they are ALL JUST DEMOS .. now if he took these last 4 or five records .. rerecorded them with highly paid top notch musicians like he used to have to beat off with a stick .. honed down some of his really bad lyics and chopped out most of the filler songs

then and only then will we get the prince record we have been waiting for.

but i think maybe there is too much pride (one of the deadly sins yes?) in his PROLIFIC reputations and alleged ability to DO IT ALL HIMSELF ...

we are getting demos .. but ART is refined , practiced under years of skilled learning. this new music is not ART it is quick sketches based upon the notion that even his sketches are genius .. but an ARTIST must practice his ART to remain potent, years of just sketching diminishes the talent when it comes time to PAINT 20 years later.

its time for prince to pull out the PAINTS and give us a real go at a finished product.

as for the millions of bootlegs out there .. yeah im even bored with that .. especially shows from the last decade .. they have been pretty boring at times and the cover band thing is especially grating. i like listening to his old stuff but boredom comes from there being nothing new left to find in all of it. sure maybe prince farted during a show but that doesnt make it more interesting than the 30 other shows from that tour with the same setlist.

so recently i put on 20ten again and i realized i was getting impatient for it to be over. thats not a good sign. other records have grown on me but this one is growing stale very quickly. mostly due to the mediocrity of the actual songs ... sure its great that there isnt much cringe factor and that was a welcome relief to some traumatizing listens of past records (im talkin to you mr. goodnite and never be another like me)

yes BOOOOORRRRREED with prince right now for sure ... i like that purple yoda line but the song is pure crap and the record on the whole is very bland.

thedance said:

^ "Get a life, get a life"... what the hell does that mean...

It's just a sarcastic remark, not really about your life.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_a_life

Any of y'all think, maybe, just maybe, Prince is BORED? It seems that way to me. "20Ten" sounds like an unfinished product to me now.

[Edited 8/2/10 12:26pm]

HonestMan13 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Yeah, but the newspapers promoted it. Prince didn't. And you're right - the 20Ten shirt is the complete sum of Prince's promotion.

Some would call the European concerts promotion, but he didn't play anything from 20Ten, did he? I mean, other than a few seconds of "Future Soul Song", right?

I'm sure that was part of the deal. I don't think they would pay Prince in advance for something and then he tells them no to even mention it anywhere. It was promoted and it's only been out for 22 days. Give him a chance to hit the road and make a video.

Yeah, I'm saying the same thing (I think). Prince didn't promote this like he did, say, "3121". He performed almost every song off that album live on one TV show or another.

Prince has given a couple interviews, but maybe because this hasn't been released in the US, those interviews kind of came and went.

I just get the feeling that he's done with "20Ten" and that makes me sad. Because it makes me think, "If Prince isn't interested in those songs any more, why should I be?" If the man that wrote them doesn't care about them, it's just hard for me to get excited.

All this would change in an instant if he dedicated some attention to the album, though.

RodeoSchro said:

HonestMan13 said:

I'm sure that was part of the deal. I don't think they would pay Prince in advance for something and then he tells them no to even mention it anywhere. It was promoted and it's only been out for 22 days. Give him a chance to hit the road and make a video.

Yeah, I'm saying the same thing (I think). Prince didn't promote this like he did, say, "3121". He performed almost every song off that album live on one TV show or another.

Prince has given a couple interviews, but maybe because this hasn't been released in the US, those interviews kind of came and went.

I just get the feeling that he's done with "20Ten" and that makes me sad. Because it makes me think, "If Prince isn't interested in those songs any more, why should I be?" If the man that wrote them doesn't care about them, it's just hard for me to get excited.

All this would change in an instant if he dedicated some attention to the album, though.

So true. It's like if the man himself isn't gonna get excited about shit he created, why should we? Maybe it's our personal look at it. Some folks may be OK with it but it seems as if he's passing it over as leftovers before he can think of another plan for his next album.

Timmy84 said:

So true. It's like if the man himself isn't gonna get excited about shit he created, why should we? Maybe it's our personal look at it. Some folks may be OK with it but it seems as if he's passing it over as leftovers before he can think of another plan for his next album.

- Yes, I agree.

MikeyB71 said:

I'm not bored at all, never have been, disappointed a few times but never bored.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I'm just now really getting into collecting everything Prince so I have so much to acquire and learn. I'm enjoying this legendary visionary while he still here on Earth.