As time passes, 3121 looks more and more like his true comeback album. It's too bad the live version of Fury didn't end up on the cd. Could have really seen some airplay. The SNL performance got amazing buzz in many musical circles.

It's too bad Prince doesn't play this song live. Other than SNL, I think he's performed it, what - once or twice?

MarcelJ said:

As time passes, 3121 looks more and more like his true comeback album. It's too bad the live version of Fury didn't end up on the cd. Could have really seen some airplay. The SNL performance got amazing buzz in many musical circles.

I could not agree more. That SNL performance is almost as great as the Rock n Roll HOF performance with Tom PEtty.

MarcelJ said:

As time passes, 3121 looks more and more like his true comeback album.

Why? Because it's your personal favourite?

I think the album is complete and utter garbage.

His SNL fury performance was amazing. much much better than the studio version. I still like the studio version, but SNL was on a whole nother level.

this track reminds me of SOTT live housequake/studio housequake comparison. live is soooo much better.

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I think SNL Fury is one of my favourite TV performances of all time. It made a lot of people I know go wow, Prince still has major swag and that song kicks a**.

MattyJam said:

Number23 said:

MattyJam said:

Why? Because it's your personal favourite?

I think the album is complete and utter garbage.

Why such obvious attention seeking with a ludicrious stance of mad extremism?You don't like one single arrangement of musical notes on that entire album? Not even two or three seconds? Is there absolutely no grey areas for you in art, that something is either great or shit? Your comment has absolutely no validity or weight because it's as cartoonlike and flippant as Prince's worst music. Why not be constructive in your criticism instead of trying to piss on people's parades with such obvious vacuousness. Such outright hostility offers nothing to debate, just reflected antagonism. Utterly useless.

Conversely, You ever just have a gut feeling? why waste time extrapolating on shit if you just feel it is. Just spit it out.

I see both points. Depends on how drunk i might be when i post.

And Matty was right. Garbage.

Number23 said:

MattyJam said:

Why? Because it's your personal favourite?

I think the album is complete and utter garbage.

Why such obvious attention seeking with a ludicrious stance of mad extremism?You don't like one single arrangement of musical notes on that entire album? Not even two or three seconds? Is there absolutely no grey areas for you in art, that something is either great or shit? Your comment has absolutely no validity or weight because it's as cartoonlike and flippant as Prince's worst music. Why not be constructive in your criticism instead of trying to piss on people's parades with such obvious vacuousness. Such outright hostility offers nothing to debate, just reflected antagonism. Utterly useless.

You found God, didn't you.

It's strange to me that the album version gets criticized for not being as exciting as the live version, rather than simply the live version being praised for taking it farther.

I'm not saying this thread in particular is saying that, but it seems a common sentiment that he somehow "ruined" it on the album

NDRU said:

It's strange to me that the album version gets criticized for not being as exciting as the live version, rather than simply the live version being praised for taking it farther.

I'm not saying this thread in particular is saying that, but it seems a common sentiment that he somehow "ruined" it on the album

Well, that's just because we heard the live version first, more than a month before the album version. While I do like the album version, I couldn't help but feel underwhelmed on my initial listens after the ferocious SNL (and Brit Awards) version.

MarcelJ said:

As time passes, 3121 looks more and more like his true comeback album. It's too bad the live version of Fury didn't end up on the cd. Could have really seen some airplay. The SNL performance got amazing buzz in many musical circles.

The live SNL version was just over the top great, one in a long line of great performances.

The released studio version was a major disappointment. Another of the 5 thousand reasons why he either needs a good producer because his own production seem lazy and amateurish or to take a little more time and not just rush something out that is half-baked to say the least.

This is after all the guy that use to leave great tracks laying around for years and would re record them time after time until he felt happy with it. That is certainly not the case any more.

prince doesnt let his music simmer and age anymore .. lots of great ideas given time a few retrys and a strong lyrical revision much of his recent work could have stood up to his past

violetblues said:

MarcelJ said:

As time passes, 3121 looks more and more like his true comeback album. It's too bad the live version of Fury didn't end up on the cd. Could have really seen some airplay. The SNL performance got amazing buzz in many musical circles.

The live SNL version was just over the top great, one in a long line of great performances.

The released studio version was a major disappointment. Another of the 5 thousand reasons why he either needs a good producer because his own production seem lazy and amateurish or to take a little more time and not just rush something out that is half-baked to say the least.

This is after all the guy that use to leave great tracks laying around for years and would re record them time after time until he felt happy with it. That is certainly not the case any more.

I agree. I wish he would have made Fury sound more live with minimal overdubs. The studio track lacks the passion and energy.

I didn't become a fan until during the musicology era (I'm only 20!) But THIS is the performance that pretty much made me a hardcore fan. For a while it was my favorite live performance of his, probably still is. My mp3 of it sucks tho

MattyJam said:

MarcelJ said:

As time passes, 3121 looks more and more like his true comeback album.

Why? Because it's your personal favourite?

I think the album is complete and utter garbage.

It's just an all-around very solid Prince album. I'm a huge fan of "Te Amo Corazon". "Black Sweat" would be perfect, except I think the synth sound is too harsh and dated. "Love" is a sweet track, "Satisfied" is a classic Prince ballad. "Fury" would have been my favorite in 20 years, had he put a version more like the live version on the album. "The Word", "The Dance" and "Get On The Boat" are all sweet tracks and the entire album is well-mixed. Very few painful lyrics, which has been a trend lately. It was a great return to form, that he's not quite hit since then. But, I do really like "Future Baby Mama" and "Future Soul Song" is an awesome track, but what's up with the "Dogmatic" lyric at the end.. ehhhh

I really loved 20TEN at first listen and gave it a great review, sadly, I stopped playing it after a few days, so that's not a good sign... I still go back and spin 3121, though.

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MarcelJ said:

MattyJam said:

Why? Because it's your personal favourite?

I think the album is complete and utter garbage.

It's just an all-around very solid Prince album. I'm a huge fan of "Te Amo Corazon". "Black Sweat" would be perfect, except I think the synth sound is too harsh and dated. "Love" is a sweet track, "Satisfied" is a classic Prince ballad. "Fury" would have been my favorite in 20 years, had he put a version more like the live version on the album. "The Word", "The Dance" and "Get On The Boat" are all sweet tracks and the entire album is well-mixed. Very few painful lyrics, which has been a trend lately. It was a great return to form, that he's not quite hit since then. But, I do really like "Future Baby Mama" and "Future Soul Song" is an awesome track, but what's up with the "Dogmatic" lyric at the end.. ehhhh

I really loved 20TEN at first listen and gave it a great review, sadly, I stopped playing it after a few days, so that's not a good sign... I still go back and spin 3121, though.

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I completely agree, and i have always laid plenty of heavy praise towards "Te Amo Corazon"

Sure it's hit and miss and not a perfect album, but in time I think people will come around to it like they are towards "Come"... another completely imperfect album with some absolutely great tracks.

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violetblues said:

MarcelJ said:

It's just an all-around very solid Prince album. I'm a huge fan of "Te Amo Corazon". "Black Sweat" would be perfect, except I think the synth sound is too harsh and dated. "Love" is a sweet track, "Satisfied" is a classic Prince ballad. "Fury" would have been my favorite in 20 years, had he put a version more like the live version on the album. "The Word", "The Dance" and "Get On The Boat" are all sweet tracks and the entire album is well-mixed. Very few painful lyrics, which has been a trend lately. It was a great return to form, that he's not quite hit since then. But, I do really like "Future Baby Mama" and "Future Soul Song" is an awesome track, but what's up with the "Dogmatic" lyric at the end.. ehhhh

I really loved 20TEN at first listen and gave it a great review, sadly, I stopped playing it after a few days, so that's not a good sign... I still go back and spin 3121, though.

[Edited 7/22/10 22:25pm]

I completely agree, and i have always laid plenty of heavy praise towards "Te Amo Corazon"

Sure it's hit and miss and not a perfect album, but in time I think people will come around to it like they are towards "Come"... another completely imperfect album with some absolutely great tracks.

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I need to track down the remix of Space. I loved that remix. Another track I loved the remix of was The Holy River, which came a little later than Come.

Number23 said:

MattyJam said:

Why? Because it's your personal favourite?

I think the album is complete and utter garbage.

Why such obvious attention seeking with a ludicrious stance of mad extremism?You don't like one single arrangement of musical notes on that entire album? Not even two or three seconds? Is there absolutely no grey areas for you in art, that something is either great or shit? Your comment has absolutely no validity or weight because it's as cartoonlike and flippant as Prince's worst music. Why not be constructive in your criticism instead of trying to piss on people's parades with such obvious vacuousness. Such outright hostility offers nothing to debate, just reflected antagonism. Utterly useless.

Contary to what you may think, I'm not one of those impossible-to-please fans who pisses on every new Prince album. I really liked Lotus/MPLSound and found something to enjoy on both PE and 20Ten. But I hated 3121 the day I heard it and find it to have very few redeeming moments. It's the only Prince album I didn't bother putting on my iPod. The only two tracks which do anything for me are Te Amo Corazon and The Word, the rest just sounds over-produced (Get On The Boat, The Dance), generic (Incense & Candles) or just plain boring (the rest of the album).

I just don't get the love for Fury....terrible,terrible track.

muirdo said:

I just don't get the love for Fury....terrible,terrible track.

I think he improved it with Guitar.

Kara said:

NDRU said:

It's strange to me that the album version gets criticized for not being as exciting as the live version, rather than simply the live version being praised for taking it farther.

I'm not saying this thread in particular is saying that, but it seems a common sentiment that he somehow "ruined" it on the album

Well, that's just because we heard the live version first, more than a month before the album version. While I do like the album version, I couldn't help but feel underwhelmed on my initial listens after the ferocious SNL (and Brit Awards) version.

yes, I think that is right, we heard them in reverse order!

I guess I expect live versions to be more exciting so I wasn't surprised or disappointed, but it does explain why many people felt that way

Best track in 20 years?

You're joking, right? (other than that, you're drunk).

vitriol said:

Best track in 20 years?

You're joking, right? (other than that, you're drunk).

it really was killer... I don't know about 20 years but I will say this. When my wife and I saw that performance we were left gapping and wondering... wow where has that been?

It was great to see him do that

sixty2strat said:

His SNL fury performance was amazing. much much better than the studio version. I still like the studio version, but SNL was on a whole nother level.

this track reminds me of SOTT live housequake/studio housequake comparison. live is soooo much better.

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I like the studio version of Housequake better! It's more unique and funky. I love the movie performance of it, but the one in Lovesexy Live is... not that exciting for me.

vitriol said:

Best track in 20 years?

You're joking, right? (other than that, you're drunk).

You do realize I'm talking about the live version. I wasn't drunk. lol. If you did a poll, what track has Prince done since 1990 that would beat out Fury (live on snl)?

MarcelJ said:

As time passes, 3121 looks more and more like his true comeback album. It's too bad the live version of Fury didn't end up on the cd. Could have really seen some airplay. The SNL performance got amazing buzz in many musical circles.

Still don't understand why. Watched it yesterday for the first time in years, and it was just as rubbish as it was back then: the anonymous, bland band; the ridiculous girls doing their stupid dances; Prince going throught he motions. This is what passes for prime Prince these days?

Must be because I was spoiled by listening to those awesome 1989 Japan Lovesexy shows in the days before.

BartVanHemelen said:

MarcelJ said:

As time passes, 3121 looks more and more like his true comeback album. It's too bad the live version of Fury didn't end up on the cd. Could have really seen some airplay. The SNL performance got amazing buzz in many musical circles.

Still don't understand why. Watched it yesterday for the first time in years, and it was just as rubbish as it was back then: the anonymous, bland band; the ridiculous girls doing their stupid dances; Prince going throught he motions. This is what passes for prime Prince these days?

Must be because I was spoiled by listening to those awesome 1989 Japan Lovesexy shows in the days before.

dont know what performance bart was watching....but i agree the snl performance of fury which , imo , is a good track on the album but this version blows the studio version away....i have saw almost all his tv appearances in the 80s and the snl version of fury is in his top 3 ever.....brilliant stuff and that is from non prince fans who i have shown it to....

The SNL version was the one I heard first, then went back to my CD. I've only seen it once, but I do remember liking it better than the CD version with the exception of the chicks on stage. UGH. Tamar. I was jsut like ugh.. another "protege"?

Love the song tho, its probably my fav from 3121.