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BEAUTIFUL STRANGE: Rave Un2 > Rave In2.. what's the story ? Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic, was released with mixed receptions afaik, in 1999, yes this year 1999 we all had waited for should become a great Prince year, looking all the way back to this fine album from 1982, whan Prince had his breakthrough..... but.....
Instead of celebrating "his" year, Prince was releasing a-not-so-great album Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic,
OK fine, I remember I was disappointed back then, the Rave album wasn't the Prince feast I had expected...
AND JUST ONE & A HALF YEAR LATER Prince released this album AGAIN:
Why did Prince release the remix/ extended version of Rave one and a-half year later
Is there a story behind this ?
And... why was the excellent track Beautiful Strange not released on the first album, Rave Un2 ? Was this song simply written after Rave Un2 was released... possibly...?
And wasn't Prince satisfied with Rave Un2, since he was remixing (some of) the songs...?
Sorry, if I am asking silly / well known questions here... Prince 4Ever. ![]() | |
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I don't think there was a specific story as to why he released a remix version (i could be wrong). Rave In2.. was released via NPGMC as a limited edition. I think it was simply to accompany the original Rave album. Prince probably recorded remixes, long versions etc because that is what he does, i think he simply decided to make these versions available to NPGMC members. Look at all the alternate versions recorded of most Prince album tracks, i don't think this method was exclusive to the Rave album. Releasing them as an album, maybe. I like both albums. But i think the remix version (Rave In2..) is the better of the two, nice longer versions, remixes, and of course the addition of Beautiful Strange, which i really like.
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Rave In2 is I believe the only Prince album I do not have and cannot seem to find. | |
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If I recall correctly, there was talk of the remix album not long after the offical release, it just took a lot longer to come out then he intended. As for Beautiful Strange, it defintely existed prior to Rave (there's a clip of him recording/performing it i the Cafe De Paris release from 98).
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Yes, Beautiful Strange was written in '98. There was a planned album called Beautiful Strange, dating to 1998. No tracklist is known, but what is known is that the title track ended up on Rave in2..
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^It's the first time I hear that. What's the source? | |
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You might be able to find the Beautiful Strange VHS that was officially available at the time. If you sit through an awkward interview of Prince by Scary Spice, then you get to see a "video" for Beautiful Strange.
The whole thing feels more akin to New Power Soul than Rave. | |
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The version of Beautiful Strange on the VHS is different from the one on Rave In2. There are other performers on the Rave track. Just throwin' that out there for the completists. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Yeah, that's how I hear it also. The inclusion of "Beautiful Strange" on Rave In2 was just a method of enticing people who may not particularly care for remixes to buy the CD. Personally, I much prefer the Beautiful Strange VHS version. That nasally distorted guitar solo on In2 doesn't work as well as the clean wah on the original. Just my opinion. Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
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I Love this song, "Beautiful Strange." And the video is great. "The Lion Sleeps Tonight... | |
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yesterday (23 july) he played 'beautiful strange' in the new morning club in paris. it was so great you went nuts. i don't like the rave album at all, yet he also played 'i love u but i don't trust u anymore' - and live, it was fabulous... just he and renato... | |
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sounds awesome! | |
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i still like the original version of "beautiful strange" a lot more. the 'new' version on Rave In2 is cool enough but the original, stripped down, simple version is just haunting as hell and too beautiful.
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In fact, wasn't that interview part of the promotion of New Power Soul?
I remember Scary Spice asking about the new album. Prince's reply was something along the lines of "it's gonna be sick" and I remember thinking well, that's one way of describing it, but I might include the word 'inducing'.
I must have seen it after the release of NPS, and I'm pretty sure that whole program (which included various snippets of interview with Scary Spice, and also IIRC had the video for 'Come On') was all NPS promo. Lemmy, Bowie, Prince, Leonard. RIP. | |
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Prince was actually talking about a "special edition" Rave CD before the release of the Arista Rave Un2. There was talk of longer versions, extended solos, extra tracks, maybe even an interactive booklet. It was even hinted that it might have to be a 2 CD set.
Wierd kind of. Love4oneanother.com posted info prior to the release of Rave un2 on November 9, 1999. There was even a message stating something to the effect of, let's all give our support to this upcoming retail version (Rave Un2) until the special edition CD is released at a later date. (I'm going to try to find that post - I know I have it here somewhere - and scan it if I do).
Why a remix Rave at all? My guess is that Prince was trying to experiment with his freedom, so to speak. He didn't have a standard contract with Arista for the release of Rave, he owned the masters, so he was free to "put out records in competition with each other" as one of his former managers once said of him in a lawsuit. Maybe he wanted to make a point that the major labels are good at what they do (Rave un2) but when we "let the baker bake the bread" (NPG released Rave special edition) it can be so much better.
In early 2000 it was announced, after a teaser had been posted on NPGonlineltd.com, that the release of the Rave special edition had been postponed indefinitely. I thought that was the end of the story - we would never see this record. But lo and behold, when npg music club was launched in Feb. 2001, Rave in2 was announced as an exclusive CD for the premium members.
I wonder if at some point Prince lost his interest in a special edition CD so to speak, and just threw some stuff together to make Rave in2 different from Rave un2. That's kind of what it sounds like to me. Where are the extra tracks (other than BS)? There are actually fewer tracks on rave in2 than on Rave un2! Some of the songs have minor differences, a few seconds of extra music, or no difference at all. What started out as a project Prince was all gung ho about, turned into something I suspect he ended up throwing together hastily.
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I really do miss the NPGMC, especially that version of it (before the 3D "mansion").
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Yeah. Having access to merchandise was great and even though Prince's "NEWZ" was often very strange, at least he was connecting with the masses on a regular basis. It was fun to read his posts and then come here to try and figure out what he was talking about. Moors in Spain, Ways Of The Pharaoh, etc...
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^^^^^
Thank you to all, for your replies.
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I assumed that, because the Rave un2 album bombed & princes relationship with Arista turned sour (with alleged rumours that the board believed the material was weak) this was his way of saying "hey, I can turn out good stuff when I want". I imagined BS was a replacement for EDIAWR to avoid royalty payments. "Had to get off the boat so I could walk on water..." | |
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You mean Satan Claws? Yea, it was there.
I'm mildly surprised the links to buy that stuff aren't still active. I'm sure SOMEBODY would still enter a CC# Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it. |
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I think it was for product differientiation.
With Arista releasing Rave Un2, his website needed something to get people interested enough to sign a hefty priced CONtract online to join his membership-based site.
Giving people Rave In2 was enough for most to agree to do it.
I think he was actually trying back then to get fans to buy into the online experience, but he was just at a artistic (and I'll go ahead and say it---spiritual) lull. Mayte's marriage to him was obviously on the rocks, and there were all sorts of personal and financial problems at that time.
I differ from most folks in that I dislike Rave In2 even more than I dislike Rave Un2, though I think Rave Un2 is actually on par with D&P
Prince would have needed a truly inspired work of genius with tons and tons of videos, appearances, and promotion.
He did make several appearances, but they were duds. He appeared on TRL ...with fucking Larry Ass Graham and Old diva-ass Chaka-mad Khan
He appeared on MTV's music awards dressed in a neon blue outfit and hair ribbons but didn't bother to perform. (I'm convinced his decent performance with Beyonce during his Musicology career redemption gave his presence a boost).
His spirit just wasn't there. He just didn't do much to get people interested in his material...which was lackluster at that time at best.
The Musicology Prince was much, much, muuuuuuuuch more engaging and uplifting....too bad the music wasn't that much better.
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Which part of "they started announcing this before 'Rave In2' was even released" is so hard to comprehend?
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^ sorry, but you are talking down again, ain't you....?
do you really need to talk like that all the time,
you are always so negative...
try to be kind and positive for a while will you..?
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Oh look, yet another person more upset about HOW something was said instead of WHAT was said. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Humans tend to do that...you wouldn't understand. | |
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Per Nilsens "The Vault."
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