funksterr said:

NeoGeo24bit said:

The lyrics of Lavaux are garbage? How so? Haven't you ever felt the need to escape and go someplace else? Prince is well traveled... maybe he found Lavaux to be a great place... to call someone "anti-american" because they might want to live someplace else is beyond absurd.

Tell me... don't you ever walk around your town, see a bunch of knucklehead fools, and think to yourself that America is crap and full of the dumbest people anywhere? I do. Do you really think America is that great when politics is so corrupt? Or do you just close your ears and say "America is the best!" Come on man... you can't be this narrow minded and so vanilla. Maybe you are... it wouldn't surprise me that you have absolute zero depth to your being.

Oh my God, Prince wants to move to Lavaux, this song is anti-american! Better call Fox News and Sarah Palin!

[Edited 7/21/10 8:42am]

The song you describe is not the song Prince wrote. You are substituting your own ideas for what's actually in the song. Listen to the lyrics again. He seems to be talking to overseas audiences, he puts down his own country and to be honest with you, it's embarrasing. "Another form of slavery"? Give me a break. Dude is bytching about paying taxes on his 'million dollar fee' in the next song. Not a good look, imho.

No... you're substituting your own ideas for what's actually going on in the song. Listen to the complete song, not just one or two lines. You're also making very narrow minded assumptions that Prince is putting down his own country and talking to overseas audiences. So, being critical based on your own life experiences and situation is putting down your own country? And why is he speaking to overseas audiences, because 20ten came out over there and not here? Give me a break.

With all due respect, only a narrow minded person who is lacking in depth and world sense could ever come to your conclusions. However I will cut you a break because I know that you have no idea what you're talking about.

When I first heard the song, I could immediately identify with it even though I'm not a millionaire and have never been to Lavaux. I'm sure lots of people have felt trapped in their situation and want to go someplace else. Maybe in the next album he'll talk about how great the USA is and you can say he's "patriotic". Then we can have someone in Lavaux post that Prince is now disrespecting Lavaux.

I dont hear any anti-americanism in Lavaux...(trust me when prince wants to be insulting or racists, its pretty clear). The song is about escape. He also says "take me to an assembly in New York"...granted its about the JW but still in the US.

Or how about this for a thought - they're here because they're Prince fans, but they just happen to think his latest album is atrocious rubbish and for some strange reason thought it would be ok to say so on an open discussion forum. I don't remember seeing a "01 Compassion - discuss it here (but only if you like it)" thread, or a "02 Beginning Endlessly - discuss it here (but only if you like it)" thread, etc.

savagedreams said:

i agree, but i just dont get why so many come here to complain. if you hate stuff, fine. but if you hate it so much why come here and bitch. just go away and listen to something else, and leave the ones here who like what prince does so we can enjoy it in peace

Trust me, you don't want that. Have you any idea just how boring it would be if we all agreed with eachother?

Plus you could try that shoe on the other foot - if you dislike people expressing their opinions you may be on the wrong website, and you could do worse than to do what you suggest they do and go away. I'm not saying you should of course, just offering it as a possible solution to your obvious angst.

I quite like 20Ten (not brilliant, but not bad either), but if everyone felt the same way I'd feel obliged to declare it the most vomitous pile of arse gravy he's ever suppurated.

There is nothing more boring or pointless than a forum filled with people agreeing with eachother.

Now disagree with me.

Please.

funksterr said:

paisleypark4 said:

Lavaux is "anti american" because he wanted to escape from all of Americas problems? Somebody CALL HER!!!!!!

Prince songs in general, are Anti-American lately. 2010 is no different and that attitude definitely keeps this album from having a lot of meaning to me. Strip away the stuff about the government and taxes and religion and what do you have? Carefully replayed demo tracks that he didn't think were good enough in the 80's, now injected with random quotes from "Watchtower" and bytching about his grown-azz-man resposibilities like, at 52 years old, he just found out about them.

A 52 year old man is reflecting on his life and (God forbid) might want to move from the USA to Lavaux. I'm sure all of those families kicked out of their homes and people who have been out of work for months/years might not think too much of the way things have been going in America either.

The horror! This is an outrage! I like my Prince albums to be fully 100% patriotic because America is great and perfect and anyone who criticizes America in any way is against America! But Prince seeing about his sister and incest, I like that! I want a 52 year old man to sing about again! That's the American way!

NeoGeo24bit said:

funksterr said:

Prince songs in general, are Anti-American lately. 2010 is no different and that attitude definitely keeps this album from having a lot of meaning to me. Strip away the stuff about the government and taxes and religion and what do you have? Carefully replayed demo tracks that he didn't think were good enough in the 80's, now injected with random quotes from "Watchtower" and bytching about his grown-azz-man resposibilities like, at 52 years old, he just found out about them.

A 52 year old man is reflecting on his life and (God forbid) might want to move from the USA to Lavaux. I'm sure all of those families kicked out of their homes and people who have been out of work for months/years might not think too much of the way things have been going in America either.

The horror! This is an outrage! I like my Prince albums to be fully 100% patriotic because America is great and perfect and anyone who criticizes America in any way is against America! But Prince seeing about his sister and incest, I like that! I want a 52 year old man to sing about again! That's the American way!

If Prince boned his sister and makes a song about it. Well at least it's he's saying something that is the truth. If Prince claims to be a slave, while he lives in mansions, hosts a harem of hot chicks and employs a staff of servants, well I'm going to have to call BS on that one. As for the rest of what you said, Prince doesn't strike me as the 'giving-a-damn-about-others' type so I don't believe anything else you said applies.

That's the first I heard of Prince sounding "anti-American". And if he wants to move to Europe that's his prerogative.

[Edited 7/21/10 11:25am]

emesem said:

I hear some complaining that Prince needs to do something "new" and should not keep with the same styles etc...I dont get it. Prince has not visited many of these sounds (FSS, Lavaux, SLG in particular) in over 25 YEARS!

I would argue he abandoned his trademark sound way to soon. As much I as love ATWIAD, Parade and SOTT, it would have been nice if in the late 80s/Early 90s instead of trying chasing down musical dead ends in Lovesexy, Batman, and especially the faux-hip hop of Symbol, just once in while there had been a Lavaux or FSS on those albums. I can think of only a few truely "minneapolis" sound songs released after 1984, (in this bed? joy in repetition? Lolita? No More Candy).

please, for now, I'll 20 take new Lavauxs over another faux-love like jazz track.

[Edited 7/20/10 14:48pm]

He did abandon his trademark sound way too soon, I love 20Ten because it is like one of his early 80s albums and I was so excited when I heard the three music samples on the Daily Mirror website before it came out.

Now see Prince has some annoying ass moaning never ever satisfied fans who pass themselves off as qualified music critics in this forum, so no matter what his new album would have sounded like the old nagging fans will find something to moan about..

This is why Prince hates his fans and internet forums!

And actually he's thinking of living in France, not Lavaux.

emesem said:

I hear some complaining that Prince needs to do something "new" and should not keep with the same styles etc...I dont get it. Prince has not visited many of these sounds (FSS, Lavaux, SLG in particular) in over 25 YEARS!

I would argue he abandoned his trademark sound way to soon. As much I as love ATWIAD, Parade and SOTT, it would have been nice if in the late 80s/Early 90s instead of trying chasing down musical dead ends in Lovesexy, Batman, and especially the faux-hip hop of Symbol, just once in while there had been a Lavaux or FSS on those albums. I can think of only a few truely "minneapolis" sound songs released after 1984, (in this bed? joy in repetition? Lolita? No More Candy).

please, for now, I'll 20 take new Lavauxs over another faux-love like jazz track.

I'm with ya.

funksterr said:

NeoGeo24bit said:

A 52 year old man is reflecting on his life and (God forbid) might want to move from the USA to Lavaux. I'm sure all of those families kicked out of their homes and people who have been out of work for months/years might not think too much of the way things have been going in America either.

The horror! This is an outrage! I like my Prince albums to be fully 100% patriotic because America is great and perfect and anyone who criticizes America in any way is against America! But Prince seeing about his sister and incest, I like that! I want a 52 year old man to sing about again! That's the American way!

If Prince boned his sister and makes a song about it. Well at least it's he's saying something that is the truth. If Prince claims to be a slave, while he lives in mansions, hosts a harem of hot chicks and employs a staff of servants, well I'm going to have to call BS on that one. As for the rest of what you said, Prince doesn't strike me as the 'giving-a-damn-about-others' type so I don't believe anything else you said applies.

So you're saying you don't think a millionaire who bangs hot chicks can be a slave to anyone or anything? Are all millionaires happy? Didn't your mama ever tell you that money can't buy happiness?

You don't think Prince wants to live in Lavaux? So, he lied in that song to make the people of Lavaux happy and get free chocolate? Why would Prince lie and write an untrue song about wanting to move to Lavaux?

The hilarity continues...

[Edited 7/21/10 11:37am]

What I got from this album mainly wasn't anti-American or anything. Just stuff he was dealing with in his personal and private life (religion, love, taxes, etc.) This is what he's had in his head for a while. Some of the songs sounded as if it was recorded during the Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth, Lotus Flower/MPLS Sound periods mainly. And the lyrics have that feeling of which song was recorded.

[Edited 7/21/10 11:40am]

And honestly when I hear it now, it less reminds me of Prince's '80s records. Funk music is not really something you can put a date on it.

Purpracer2 said:

What makes going back to that sound different today is that he is not cursing every other word. His messages are so much different now, and I think that is a great thing. People can dislike the music, but to say that Prince should do this or do that is like telling a painter how to paint. It is their piece of work, and you either dig it or you don't. Some hate it, some love it. I personally love it, but I am not telling others that if they don't like it they should leave. I only wonder why they do stay here. That is harder to understand than anything. It seems many like to mess around with other people's ideas or thoughts. It is not up to any of us to tell another "orger" that their thoughts or opinions are wrong. Live and let live... and just ignore the folks that sh*t on your opinions. I learned my lesson of feeding that stuff. Love, Light and Keep on Dancin'.

I disagree with this part. Prince was never "cursing every other word." Even, when he was being blatant, the cursing was now and again. Up until the early 90's at least...even then it wasn't every song.

Secondly, Prince's message is the same now as it was then. God, love, peace, dance, music, sex, romance, etc.

Contrary to some people's opinions, Prince more similar to his past self than he is different...especially in terms of message.

skywalker said:

Purpracer2 said:

What makes going back to that sound different today is that he is not cursing every other word. His messages are so much different now, and I think that is a great thing. People can dislike the music, but to say that Prince should do this or do that is like telling a painter how to paint. It is their piece of work, and you either dig it or you don't. Some hate it, some love it. I personally love it, but I am not telling others that if they don't like it they should leave. I only wonder why they do stay here. That is harder to understand than anything. It seems many like to mess around with other people's ideas or thoughts. It is not up to any of us to tell another "orger" that their thoughts or opinions are wrong. Live and let live... and just ignore the folks that sh*t on your opinions. I learned my lesson of feeding that stuff. Love, Light and Keep on Dancin'.

I disagree with this part. Prince was never "cursing every other word." Even, when he was being blatant, the cursing was now and again. Up until the early 90's at least...even then it wasn't every song.

Secondly, Prince's message is the same now as it was then. God, love, peace, dance, music, sex, romance, etc.

Contrary to some people's opinions, Prince more similar to his past self than he is different...especially in terms of message.

That's interesting because I listened to his older material and actually 20Ten isn't so different from what he's done. Only difference is Prince's state of mind now compared to other albums...

[Edited 7/21/10 11:59am]

funksterr said:

paisleypark4 said:

Lavaux is "anti american" because he wanted to escape from all of Americas problems? Somebody CALL HER!!!!!!

Prince songs in general, are Anti-American lately. 2010 is no different and that attitude definitely keeps this album from having a lot of meaning to me. Strip away the stuff about the government and taxes and religion and what do you have? Carefully replayed demo tracks that he didn't think were good enough in the 80's, now injected with random quotes from "Watchtower" and bytching about his grown-azz-man resposibilities like, at 52 years old, he just found out about them.

The great thing about this though, is that Prince isn't being Anti-American at all.

By challenging/questioning the status quo and our government, Prince is being patriotic in the truest sense.... Just like he was in songs like "Partyup", "America", "Live 4 Love", and "United States of Division".

Timmy84 said:

skywalker said:

I disagree with this part. Prince was never "cursing every other word." Even, when he was being blatant, the cursing was now and again. Up until the early 90's at least...even then it wasn't every song.

Secondly, Prince's message is the same now as it was then. God, love, peace, dance, music, sex, romance, etc.

Contrary to some people's opinions, Prince more similar to his past self than he is different...especially in terms of message.

That's interesting because I listened to his older material and actually 20Ten isn't so different from what he's done. Only difference is Prince's state of mind now compared to other albums...

[Edited 7/21/10 11:59am]

I see your point. However, I have this idea that Prince's state of mind isn't as different either. He simply used to talk less/do less interviews so we never really knew is POV on things. In the 80's and early 90's he was "vague and mysterious". Now he talks a lot more bluntly...which isn't always as fun to some.

vitalbacon said:

NouveauDance said:

Boo-hoo!... Someone didn't like something I did, I just CAN'T. STAND. IT!

if u don't like 20ten, u just don't like prince.

because this is what he does.

so indeed: why. r. u. here.

Really? So we all have to LOVE Prince and all he does in order to speak our minds? Nouveau has been here 4ever and has a pretty decent take on Prince's music. We may not always agree about what we like, but he definitely knows the music and has been around here schooling folks for a long time.

You know not all of us like the output as of recently. It doesn't mean we hate Prince or his music. Nor does it mean we will always say nice things if we don't like what we hear. If you read through out all of the threads, you'll see that there are fans of old and new and what one person loves another hates. It's always been like this.

With a career spanning at least 3 decades, you can't expect the fans to like the journey. Take a look at Stevie Wonder's discography and you will see something similar...I am sure the fans are equally divided over his output.

savagedreams said:

Purpracer2 said:

It is not up to any of us to tell another "orger" that their thoughts or opinions are wrong. Live and let live... and just ignore the folks that sh*t on your opinions.

i agree, but i just dont get why so many come here to complain. if you hate stuff, fine. but if you hate it so much why come here and bitch. just go away and listen to something else, and leave the ones here who like what prince does so we can enjoy it in peace

No one "comes" here. Here is all there is to discuss anything prince. If this place was just "Prince is great, Prince is good, let us thank him for our food" I doubt many would stay here. Diversity is the spice of life.

At least no one here thinks that it's his best in 23 years

superspaceboy said:

savagedreams said:

i agree, but i just dont get why so many come here to complain. if you hate stuff, fine. but if you hate it so much why come here and bitch. just go away and listen to something else, and leave the ones here who like what prince does so we can enjoy it in peace

No one "comes" here. Here is all there is to discuss anything prince. If this place was just "Prince is great, Prince is good, let us thank him for our food" I doubt many would stay here. Diversity is the spice of life.

At least no one here thinks that it's his best in 23 years

AT LEAST THAT.

superspaceboy said:

vitalbacon said:

if u don't like 20ten, u just don't like prince.

because this is what he does.

so indeed: why. r. u. here.

Really? So we all have to LOVE Prince and all he does in order to speak our minds? Nouveau has been here 4ever and has a pretty decent take on Prince's music. We may not always agree about what we like, but he definitely knows the music and has been around here schooling folks for a long time.

You know not all of us like the output as of recently. It doesn't mean we hate Prince or his music. Nor does it mean we will always say nice things if we don't like what we hear. If you read through out all of the threads, you'll see that there are fans of old and new and what one person loves another hates. It's always been like this.

With a career spanning at least 3 decades, you can't expect the fans to like the journey. Take a look at Stevie Wonder's discography and you will see something similar...I am sure the fans are equally divided over his output.

But there's no need to post on every 20Ten thread that you think the album is crap or that it's the best you've evr heard. After a certain point you just come across as . I can say I like something once and stand by it or claim to dislike it and be done with it. If your opinion changes over time then fine but a post every hour on every relatable thread about your take(good or bad) is redundant and unnecessary.

NeoGeo24bit said:

funksterr said:

Lavaux makes me want to puke. The music is tight, but the lyrics are garbage. Prince is so anti-American now, right? But remember when he cancelled all his overseas shows after 9/11? Reminds me of that Ice Cube line "And mothafkrs that say they too black/ Put 'em overseas they be begging to come back!"

The lyrics of Lavaux are garbage? How so? Haven't you ever felt the need to escape and go someplace else? Prince is well traveled... maybe he found Lavaux to be a great place... to call someone "anti-american" because they might want to live someplace else is beyond absurd.

Tell me... don't you ever walk around your town, see a bunch of knucklehead fools, and think to yourself that America is crap and full of the dumbest people anywhere? I do. Do you really think America is that great when politics is so corrupt? Or do you just close your ears and say "America is the best!" Come on man... you can't be this narrow minded and so vanilla. Maybe you are... it wouldn't surprise me that you have absolute zero depth to your being.

Oh my God, Prince wants to move to Lavaux, this song is anti-american! Better call Fox News and Sarah Palin!

[Edited 7/21/10 8:42am]

hehe

AsylumUtopia said:

nosajd said:

B/c their life wouldn`t be complete w/o getting a rise from others. They get off on that shite, that`s why they`re here.

Or how about this for a thought - they're here because they're Prince fans, but they just happen to think his latest album is atrocious rubbish and for some strange reason thought it would be ok to say so on an open discussion forum. I don't remember seeing a "01 Compassion - discuss it here (but only if you like it)" thread, or a "02 Beginning Endlessly - discuss it here (but only if you like it)" thread, etc.

savagedreams said:

i agree, but i just dont get why so many come here to complain. if you hate stuff, fine. but if you hate it so much why come here and bitch. just go away and listen to something else, and leave the ones here who like what prince does so we can enjoy it in peace

Trust me, you don't want that. Have you any idea just how boring it would be if we all agreed with eachother?

Plus you could try that shoe on the other foot - if you dislike people expressing their opinions you may be on the wrong website, and you could do worse than to do what you suggest they do and go away. I'm not saying you should of course, just offering it as a possible solution to your obvious angst.

I quite like 20Ten (not brilliant, but not bad either), but if everyone felt the same way I'd feel obliged to declare it the most vomitous pile of arse gravy he's ever suppurated.

There is nothing more boring or pointless than a forum filled with people agreeing with eachother.

Now disagree with me.

Please.

Just gets OLD is all & its very predictable. We read this all the time. The same sh!t over & over again. Its not like we don't know how they feel. They've made it very clear on numerous threads. We're all reading the same ones for the most part!

Purpracer2 said:

What makes going back to that sound different today is that he is not cursing every other word. His messages are so much different now, and I think that is a great thing. People can dislike the music, but to say that Prince should do this or do that is like telling a painter how to paint. It is their piece of work, and you either dig it or you don't. Some hate it, some love it. I personally love it, but I am not telling others that if they don't like it they should leave. I only wonder why they do stay here. That is harder to understand than anything. It seems many like to mess around with other people's ideas or thoughts. It is not up to any of us to tell another "orger" that their thoughts or opinions are wrong. Live and let live... and just ignore the folks that sh*t on your opinions. I learned my lesson of feeding that stuff. Love, Light and Keep on Dancin'.

NouveauDance said:

skywalker said:

funksterr said:

Prince songs in general, are Anti-American lately. 2010 is no different and that attitude definitely keeps this album from having a lot of meaning to me. Strip away the stuff about the government and taxes and religion and what do you have? Carefully replayed demo tracks that he didn't think were good enough in the 80's, now injected with random quotes from "Watchtower" and bytching about his grown-azz-man resposibilities like, at 52 years old, he just found out about them.

The great thing about this though, is that Prince isn't being Anti-American at all.

By challenging/questioning the status quo and our government, Prince is being patriotic in the truest sense.... Just like he was in songs like "Partyup", "America", "Live 4 Love", and "United States of Division".

Patriots participate. Patriots vote. They don't write songs about going to France, which has it's own racial and ethnic issues as well as a dubious colonization history, and claim to be a slave. Ole boy comes off like a fool, if you take off the fan glasses and look at it for real.

NeoGeo24bit said:

funksterr said:

If Prince boned his sister and makes a song about it. Well at least it's he's saying something that is the truth. If Prince claims to be a slave, while he lives in mansions, hosts a harem of hot chicks and employs a staff of servants, well I'm going to have to call BS on that one. As for the rest of what you said, Prince doesn't strike me as the 'giving-a-damn-about-others' type so I don't believe anything else you said applies.

So you're saying you don't think a millionaire who bangs hot chicks can be a slave to anyone or anything? Are all millionaires happy? Didn't your mama ever tell you that money can't buy happiness?

You don't think Prince wants to live in Lavaux? So, he lied in that song to make the people of Lavaux happy and get free chocolate? Why would Prince lie and write an untrue song about wanting to move to Lavaux?

The hilarity continues...

[Edited 7/21/10 11:37am]

Rabid Fam foolishness. I doubt you read anything I said. Moving on...

Thousands of Americans live abroad. Just like hundreds of thousands of other nationalities live here in the States.

Drawing the conclusion that someone (Prince in this instance) is anti-American because of this song or any other songs referencing travelling or living abroad is narrow at best.

funksterr said:

skywalker said:

The great thing about this though, is that Prince isn't being Anti-American at all.

By challenging/questioning the status quo and our government, Prince is being patriotic in the truest sense.... Just like he was in songs like "Partyup", "America", "Live 4 Love", and "United States of Division".

Patriots participate. Patriots vote. They don't write songs about going to France, which has it's own racial and ethnic issues as well as a dubious colonization history, and claim to be a slave. Ole boy comes off like a fool, if you take off the fan glasses and look at it for real.

Look at it for real? "Lavaux" is a song about fantasy. It's like Christopher Tracy. Pretty self righteous to tell others what being a Patriot is or isn't. Reminds me of the last President we had....

Sweething said:

Thousands of Americans live abroad. Just like hundreds of thousands of other nationalities live here in the States.

Drawing the conclusion that someone (Prince in this instance) is anti-American because of this song or any other songs referencing travelling or living abroad is narrow at best.

Yep.