Prince isn't creating expensive, limited, time-sensitive packages?

Did you not buy an Opus?

It was expensive, limited, and the iPod is now three generations old, so it was certainly time-sensitive!

jeromejack said:

I'm glad Prince doesn't milk his fans like Reznor (no class).

Yes, Reznor really milked me by giving me a free album.

If Bart/Trent wanted to be helpful to Prince and stop his passive aggressiveness, then list some names of some merchandising companies that provides good design for Prince's target audience. Simple. Give out RECOMMENDATIONS so his team could do some research.

Hilarious. You're completely NOT GETTING IT.

Oh, and now FANS have to inform the multi-millionaire popstar which firms develop good merch?

I don't see Prince being interested in being an internet guru at this stage in the game.

He was a year ago.

And it's important to remember the trauma he experienced for several yrs. being with Warner Brothers. Hell, Prince made hundreds of millions of dollars for WB and most likely received a small fraction of $$ compared to what WB made.

He renewed his contract at least twice. Why didn't he renegociate the terms? Why did he sign a $100 million contract AGAINST THE ADVISE OF EVERYONE CLOSE TO HIM?

Happens to 99.9% of musicians. So, I can understand his stance on not wanting to give away all of his music for free.

Yes, it's one of two extremes, right? Either he gets paid big time or he becomes a pauper.

Bad memories... Also, intellectual property rights law has been leaning in Prince's favor.

Bullcrap. Bought and paid for by corporations.

It's always best in the long run to be truthful, kind and professional and I feel Prince has been this way.

So that's why virtually all of his old band members, employees etc. can't stand him?

HonestMan13 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

http://music3point0.blogs...tions.html

Prince is doing... well, none of these.

I don't how he's managed to last 30 years in this business without your guidance? He's probably just some flash in the pan that will be over soon!

What fine debating skills.

errant said:

muleFunk said:

Bart was pissed before the internet shutdown.

I think Bart's original beef was with the Crystal Ball fiasco.

I think it was more about "the Collective" and the lawsuit with Uptown.

You say you "think" but you clearly don't. What you did there is make shit up.

we were all pissed back then. but 13 years later, some of us have realized that we're still here, still interested, still buying his music, still going to his concerts, still listening to his music, reading interviews, talking about him on the Internet, so there's not much point in holding the hostility for more than a couple of weeks beyond whatever the latest business fiasco or creative failure or publicity faux pas might be, because it eats away at your brain and your soul if you're still going to follow the guy. I'm glad Bart is still around 13 years later to remind us of that.

Oh look, you just made up more shit.

skywalker said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Yes, let's cherry-pick a couple of words and ignore the rest. That'll work.

Okay, Mr. "Prince is doing... well, none of these."

He isn't. He's attempted to, but completely missed the point.

BartVanHemelen said:

skywalker said:

Okay, Mr. "Prince is doing... well, none of these."

He isn't. He's attempted to, but completely missed the point.

Tell me something, Bart. So what?

If Prince did everything on the chart, if Prince did everything you are suggesting, why would it matter to you? What would the benefit be?

Correct me if I am wrong, but you claim not to have liked his music for nearly 2 decades now.

Even if he had a business model that was the same as Trent Reznor's, what is the point?

One area I'm surprised Prince hasn't taken advantage of is the vinyl revival. He's got the fanbase that would buy copies of records even if they didn't have a turntable. That's a small cash cow staring him in the face for every single and album he puts out.

BartVanHemelen said:

HonestMan13 said:

I don't how he's managed to last 30 years in this business without your guidance? He's probably just some flash in the pan that will be over soon!

What fine debating skills.

Hey check my other post and you'll see that I truly understand where you're coming from since it was explained to me. My sympathies.

BartVanHemelen said:

errant said:

You say you "think" but you clearly don't. What you did there is make shit up.

we were all pissed back then. but 13 years later, some of us have realized that we're still here, still interested, still buying his music, still going to his concerts, still listening to his music, reading interviews, talking about him on the Internet, so there's not much point in holding the hostility for more than a couple of weeks beyond whatever the latest business fiasco or creative failure or publicity faux pas might be, because it eats away at your brain and your soul if you're still going to follow the guy. I'm glad Bart is still around 13 years later to remind us of that.

Oh look, you just made up more shit.

unlike a lot of the people currently here, I was around when you started your crusade. hell, I even joined it. but really, it's time to get over it and move on.

BartVanHemelen said:

Mindflux said:

I'm not a fan of "memorabilia" either (save for a tour programme for gigs), but to prove that Prince recently did something from "the top of the tree" - what about the Prince Opus? Surely that qualifies as "limited, exclusive, expensive, time-sensitive packages. Use a partner to help plan this". Seems like Opus ticked all those boxes.

Except it wasn't exclusive. Nor time-sensitive.

Perhaps not time-sensitive, I'll give you that. But, a worldwide limit of 950 is not exclusive?!

Anyway, you're just "cherry-picking"

errant said:

BartVanHemelen said:

unlike a lot of the people currently here, I was around when you started your crusade. hell, I even joined it. but really, it's time to get over it and move on.

looks like somebody needs a big glass of get the fuck over it!

BartVanHemelen said:

jeromejack said:

It's very clear that Bart is Trent Reznor

You sad little man.

So you buy memorabilia in the hopes to profit from them? I suggest you look up what the word "memorabilia" means.

Bart/Trent, I think it's psycho crazy how you obsessively post negative things about Prince on this board because Prince dissed you and flirted with an old girlfriend of yours years ago. You are a sad man indeed.

Says the person who has just written a thousand words about a fan.

Oh, and you forgot to include that you couldn't care less about my opinion, which is why you wrote this idiotic post.

Now go run to your mommy and cry about how the mister on the interwebs said nasty things about your boyfriend.

All indicators are pointing in the direction that you are Reznor including your posts about the industry and your constant tweeting to Reznor's sidekick Rob Sheridan. No, I don't buy memorabilia to make profit. I had/have several copies of the same memorabilia items of Miles. You seem to want to be Prince's business manager with all your advice, why not provide the names of design companies since you are always pointing out how Prince is doing it wrong? I guess that would be way too helpful for you since it's more about vengence. A small percentage of a musician's fans will pay for expensive memorabilia and Prince has gone down the memorabilia road successfully. No reason to do memorabilia every couple of years or it's just another more expensive product. To me, real memorabilia is one of a kind items like hand written lyrics to a chart topping song (ex: Lennon) or other significant items.

As for Reznor's "sold out" deluxe editions, it is the truth that those items did not sell out or he wouldn't have advertised on Twitter that he had copies for sell 2 years later. Reznor's main flow of revenue has been touring and his last 2 tours didn't sell well. His earnings has steadly decreased over the years, especially since he gives away the music. And it's a fact that Reznor is not at Prince's level in terms of international fame, music catalogue, wealth, and the business opportunities that come Prince's way. Reznor has milked his fans by claimimg that his last tour was NIN's last and then being the "opening act" for his farewell tour after his fans purchased the tickets. He should have been upfront that NIN was the opening act.

I don't know if all of Prince's old band members, employees etc. can't stand him. But the same could be said of Reznor's old band members, employees etc.

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Bart's right though in his original post. Currently Prince is doing none of those things (right or wrong).

billymeade said:

Bart's right though in his original post. Currently Prince is doing none of those things (right or wrong).

He's not right and what you say is just out and out wrong. As Bart would put it, "LIE".

Plus, that chart is for people with an IQ of 50 or less - get with it!

I've decided that Prince is a business genius when it comes to music distribution.

He's decided that no matter what protections he takes, his music is going to be downloaded by pirates. So what he's done is figured out what the maximum amount is that he thinks he would make under the old ways of distributing music, pre-internet. He probably knows which albums would be big-sellers, and which would not. And he has figured out what his "normal" or acceptable return would be on such an album.

Then he asks for that amount as an advance from whomever is going to sell it - newspapers, Target, etc.

So he's been paid what he thinks he should be paid in a world where internet downloading and bootlegging don't exist (at least, not to a significant degree).

Now, he's never going to say, "Hey, I've already been paid on 20ten. If you want to bootleg it, be my guest" but I bet that's basically his mindset. He's already captured what he thinks is the maximum reasonable expectation for the album.

So brilliant.

"Curse U Prince!"