HatrinaHaterwitz said:

"Anyway, all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you."

I've long since given up on Prince interviews, so somebody PLEASE tell this is a misquote.

Well the reporter wasnt allowed to right anything down or record anything, so Prince opens himself up to constant misquoting...

Cerebus said:

Mindflux said:

So, he's done his bit. He supported them with something that probably took him some months to put together. He's done his work and now he's getting it out there in a smart way. Everyone (except the traditional music retailers etc) is a winner in this deal, in particular him AND the consumer. He should be applauded, not ridiculed because he apparently hasn't put in the hours! The man has worked all his life and worked himself in to a position where he is able to do this - I don't understand why people are trying to knock it!

He gets paid, plus a much higher distribution of his album amongst the public than he would normally achieve, the consumer gets the music for FREE and the channel he uses should benefit in extra sales - exactly what is wrong with this model?

As you mentioned, it screws the records stores that have supported him for 30 years. It's not a win for the consumer at all if it's only availabel in part of the world and you're forced to buy a periodical that you don't want (not free), thereby putting money into the hands of business people that have nothing to do with music. "Some months to put together" Really? I'm asking if you genuinely believe that? Because some weeks is probably more like it. I'm not trying to knock it, I am knocking it. It's lazy and unimaginative (he's already done it), not to mention insulting to record stores all over the world and his fans in America (who have supported him longer than any others). A higher distribution? Yeah, to the trash can, which is where a great many of them will go when they're not sold. You're right about one thing. He's getting paid. Probably more than he would have for a standard physical and downloadable version. Just like he's getting paid massive amounts of cash to play a smaller number of shows in Europe instead of actually touring. If it's all of a sudden about how much money Prince can make while doing the smallest amount of work, great! Congratulations Prince. I can't argue that you've earned it. But it's not artistically satisfying to me as a fan in the least. In fact, it's very quickly becoming pretty foul and uninteresting.

Well unfortunately record stores are closing left and right because people don't actually go to them and buy anything anymore. Thats not his doing, thats the consumer. And why limit yourself to a medium that's dying? Especially when you stand to make more doing what he's currently doing?

No no. Nothing illegal here.

I'll just have to spend my entire savings to fly to the UK to get a copy. Just as long as another website don't pop up with some cooler than cool 20ten shirts. I don't think I could handle that.

DAMN I want a shirt like his.

But um, yeah not the best moves. That whole exclusive to some thing leaves a nasty taste in this old mouth.

actually, prince is smarter than we think.

he: "the internet is over"

us: "haha, we'll get you, fool! i'll download your shit for free!"

and, what do you know ... it's actually a good album. therefore, he basically made us all download it. lots of internet geeks are all over this shit. read the comments on other web sites. they can't wait for torrents, blogs, megaupload, etc. all wanting to prove a point. we are all playing his game. and i love it.

basically, "20ten" is going to be one of his most popular albums in a long time, simply because a lot of people will download it. and i bet it's a killer record.

The brilliance of not allowing someone to record or take notes is he can retract any statment he wants or to say it's not true.

I can see it now:

PRINCE: ... I have friends who used the Internet. We read the bible together...

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

crazydoctor said:

I don't think Prince says anything he really means in interviews.

That's funny to me because I don't think Prince says anything he really means...period!

Word, it's like he's hopelessly forever to speak only in the "moment'...for like everything he says.

I can't believe people are making such a big deal over this.

crazydoctor said:

I don't think Prince says anything he really means in interviews.

Yeah, didn't he say in Ebony that he doesn't like "Yes Men"?

lezama said:

Well unfortunately record stores are closing left and right because people don't actually go to them and buy anything anymore. Thats not his doing, thats the consumer. And why limit yourself to a medium that's dying? Especially when you stand to make more doing what he's currently doing?

I'm pretty sure everybody knows papers are dying... that's the thing that keeps cracking me up!

chookalana said:

Ok, Prince proves once again, that he is not in touch with the real world.

As we all know, Prince says the internet is "completely over". By not releasing his music online, he is NOT doing himself any favors. By this short-sighted view, he will end up increasing the illegal downloading of his new album.

Yes, it will be released for "free" this Saturday on CD, but it will be available the same day on the internet everywhere.

Another dumb move, by a notoriously short-sighted genius.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, I think that you're the one being short sighted & not in touch with the real world.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that what Prince said about the internet was the Truth. It started out as a wonderful thing. A communication & learning tool. But look at it now. It's a haven for Perverts, Porn & Piracy. Don't get me wrong, there are alot of good educational/informative sites out there. However for every 1 positive on the net there are 20 negative ones lurking.

Negativity & Hate are rampant on the internet more than ever & seems no end in sight.

I'm sure that the ORG did'nt start out this way, but even here People (not all) are spreading lies, gossip & being hateful. The internet is over (dead). Just a matter of time.

Oh. And by the way this is just my own opinion.

Peace.

[Edited 7/6/10 22:01pm]

So if the intenet will be over, what will the people do? Will we go back and do research at the library? Will we go back to stores and drive miles and miles for merchandise that you once could order online? Will we go back to ordering through paper catalogues? Will we no longer be able to move our money around online?

I just don't understand what "the internet is over" really means. I think things will be refined and even perhaps legislated a bit, but to be "over"....no way.

My coworker said to me, "so Prince said the internet is over.." as he checked his facebook on ipod touch.

I could not help but to laugh..and say, "dont be talking about my cousin he never can make up his mind".

Then I told him to stop looking at me on the org because the internet was over.

Cerebus said:

Mindflux said:

So, he's done his bit. He supported them with something that probably took him some months to put together. He's done his work and now he's getting it out there in a smart way. Everyone (except the traditional music retailers etc) is a winner in this deal, in particular him AND the consumer. He should be applauded, not ridiculed because he apparently hasn't put in the hours! The man has worked all his life and worked himself in to a position where he is able to do this - I don't understand why people are trying to knock it!

He gets paid, plus a much higher distribution of his album amongst the public than he would normally achieve, the consumer gets the music for FREE and the channel he uses should benefit in extra sales - exactly what is wrong with this model?

As you mentioned, it screws the records stores that have supported him for 30 years. It's not a win for the consumer at all if it's only availabel in part of the world and you're forced to buy a periodical that you don't want (not free), thereby putting money into the hands of business people that have nothing to do with music. "Some months to put together" Really? I'm asking if you genuinely believe that? Because some weeks is probably more like it. I'm not trying to knock it, I am knocking it. It's lazy and unimaginative (he's already done it), not to mention insulting to record stores all over the world and his fans in America (who have supported him longer than any others). A higher distribution? Yeah, to the trash can, which is where a great many of them will go when they're not sold. You're right about one thing. He's getting paid. Probably more than he would have for a standard physical and downloadable version. Just like he's getting paid massive amounts of cash to play a smaller number of shows in Europe instead of actually touring. If it's all of a sudden about how much money Prince can make while doing the smallest amount of work, great! Congratulations Prince. I can't argue that you've earned it. But it's not artistically satisfying to me as a fan in the least. In fact, it's very quickly becoming pretty foul and uninteresting.

I live in New York and I can tell you there are no large record stores any longer. Tower Records folded ages ago, Virgin went out of business about a year ago. It's only small shops scattered about the city and Target simply doesn't count since they can only stock a certain amount of CDs and they tend to go with the mainstream over the more eclectic artists. However Prince finds a way to get me his music is fine by me because the wreckastows charged so much and made so little they could afford the rents. $18.99 for a CD at Virgin or Tower was ridiculous and inflated. These companies contributed to their own demise and force artists to be more inventive when it comes to getting the product out. Disc-O-Rama can only hold so many CDs then you have to wait for the next order. I hear the European orgers refer to record stores all the time. They're a thing of the past in the States.

Reel said:

I just don't understand what "the internet is over" really means.

it means Prince has been kicked off the internet.

he aint welcome on it no mo.

robinhood said:

Reel said:

I just don't understand what "the internet is over" really means.

it means Prince has been kicked off the internet.

he aint welcome on it no mo.

TheVoid said:

The brilliance of not allowing someone to record or take notes is he can retract any statment he wants or to say it's not true.

I can see it now:

PRINCE: ... I have friends who used the Internet. We read the bible together...

lmFao

*stupid new formatting caused double post*

[Edited 7/6/10 23:03pm]

Reel said:

robinhood said:

it means Prince has been kicked off the internet.

he aint welcome on it no mo.

i aint jokin. rich man on the net trynna rake in mo cash? forget it.

totheteeth said:

actually, prince is smarter than we think.

he: "the internet is over"

us: "haha, we'll get you, fool! i'll download your shit for free!"

and, what do you know ... it's actually a good album. therefore, he basically made us all download it. lots of internet geeks are all over this shit. read the comments on other web sites. they can't wait for torrents, blogs, megaupload, etc. all wanting to prove a point. we are all playing his game. and i love it.

basically, "20ten" is going to be one of his most popular albums in a long time, simply because a lot of people will download it. and i bet it's a killer record.

With this publicity, he's using downloaders for his own advantage. However, it's like a double-edge sword now: You can either download the album somewhere to rebel against him, and thus aid his new music's popularity by discussing it. OR, you can NOT download the album to rebel against him, but resultingly help his primary agenda of ceasing the sharing of his music online. As usual, the man is quite cunning....

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

"Anyway, all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you."

I've long since given up on Prince interviews, so somebody PLEASE tell this is a misquote.

I feel the same way.I don't even read Prince's interviews anymore.He says so many dumb things that make him appear totally clueless and out-of-touch.

Prince's REAL problem with the Internet is that he can't control it.In the mid-90s,he talked excitedly about the Internet and all of its' possibilities.He talked about selling his music on-line directly,without the need for big,evil record companies.Funny how things change.The Internet became this big,popular thing.File-sharing became the norm.Prince hates things that he can't control or dominate.That's the real reason for his silly comments about the Internet being "dead".He's being left behind by something more powerful than he is.

SoulAlive said:

Prince's REAL problem with the Internet is that he can't control it.In the mid-90s,he talked excitedly about the Internet and all of its' possibilities.He talked about selling his music on-line directly,without the need for big,evil record companies.Funny how things change.The Internet became this big,popular thing.File-sharing became the norm.Prince hates things that he can't control or dominate.That's the real reason for his silly comments about the Internet being "dead".He's being left behind by something more powerful than he is.

Speak on it!

when people "read" into what they think he's saying he's already won

at the end of the day..Prince has been paid well, has extraordinary exposure, and has the internet community talking about him....what else does he need? certainly not any kudos on here....

He's admitting he cant cut it in the marketplace on walk up sales, he wants someone to overpay him $ they cant recoup because he aint that dude anymore. Ya think the itunes braintrust dont know the Target deal inside out (and the legal parties associated) and laugh when he comes to them on that tip?.

WaterInYourBath said:

totheteeth said:

actually, prince is smarter than we think.

he: "the internet is over"

us: "haha, we'll get you, fool! i'll download your shit for free!"

and, what do you know ... it's actually a good album. therefore, he basically made us all download it. lots of internet geeks are all over this shit. read the comments on other web sites. they can't wait for torrents, blogs, megaupload, etc. all wanting to prove a point. we are all playing his game. and i love it.

basically, "20ten" is going to be one of his most popular albums in a long time, simply because a lot of people will download it. and i bet it's a killer record.

With this publicity, he's using downloaders for his own advantage. However, it's like a double-edge sword now: You can either download the album somewhere to rebel against him, and thus aid his new music's popularity by discussing it. OR, you can NOT download the album to rebel against him, but resultingly help his primary agenda of ceasing the sharing of his music online. As usual, the man is quite cunning....

what he isnt getting is many of us were gonna get the album through torrents anyway, and most of us havent seen a paper nor a record store in years. Yet, those of us who participate in this are also consumers of itunes and have no problem buying the new album as a download if he makes it available.

I always said all those spare remotes when you change the channel are swirling around the living room like free radicals just waiting to fry my brain. Say no to WI-FI people!!!!

So anyway, like Prince invented texting but doesn't want me to have a cellphone???

well that just sucks

WisdomNLove said:

chookalana said:

Ok, Prince proves once again, that he is not in touch with the real world.

As we all know, Prince says the internet is "completely over". By not releasing his music online, he is NOT doing himself any favors. By this short-sighted view, he will end up increasing the illegal downloading of his new album.

Yes, it will be released for "free" this Saturday on CD, but it will be available the same day on the internet everywhere.

Another dumb move, by a notoriously short-sighted genius.

I have to disagree, people are going to download music illegally no matter what prince says, they were doing it before he made that statement and will continue doing it after.

if you are a loyal fan you will buy a CD thats available for purchase, if you are a broke fan or casual fan you may find a way to download it for free since you dont have the cash, nothings changed here and it will always be the same. if you are a fan with cash and want to be vindictive because of a statement prince made you will illegally download music available for purchase.

I took Prince's statement as telling artists to get more smart about their businesss instead of depending on outside companies who are not in it for you but for a cut.

At the end of the day Prince doesnt need to release his CD digitally, if you want it you will find it. He's not tied down to a leash and can do and say what he wants. This is a part of success many artist wish they could achieve.

At the end of the day people are still talking and you're here posting and Prince will still be able to give out his music FOR FREE

Mindflux said:

Cerebus said:

They paid him in advance. Beyond the already completed interviews he's not doing anything to support them. His "support" is those interviews and his new CD being included for "free" in their periodicals. In theory this is going to greatly increase their sales, making them quite a bit of money in return. But he doesn't actually have to do anything for them now. It's probably the least amount of work he's ever had to do around releasing and promoting an album... and he's alreayd been paid.

So, he's done his bit. He supported them with something that probably took him some months to put together. He's done his work and now he's getting it out there in a smart way. Everyone (except the traditional music retailers etc) is a winner in this deal, in particular him AND the consumer. He should be applauded, not ridiculed because he apparently hasn't put in the hours! The man has worked all his life and worked himself in to a position where he is able to do this - I don't understand why people are trying to knock it!

He gets paid, plus a much higher distribution of his album amongst the public than he would normally achieve, the consumer gets the music for FREE and the channel he uses should benefit in extra sales - exactly what is wrong with this model?

lmao. Knock Prince off that cross you have him on, please.

We could use the wood.

I didn't spend a penny on LotusZzzzzer.

I won't spend a penny on 20TEN.

Why? Because the internet is sooooo alive.

Thanks Prince.

djThunderfunk said:

lezama said:

Well unfortunately record stores are closing left and right because people don't actually go to them and buy anything anymore. Thats not his doing, thats the consumer. And why limit yourself to a medium that's dying? Especially when you stand to make more doing what he's currently doing?

I'm pretty sure everybody knows papers are dying... that's the thing that keeps cracking me up!

True. Papers and record stores are dying. But his current strategy of building up lots of publicity (positive & negative), getting what we suspect are relatively large paydays from willing papers/magazines and making even more money from ticket sales/advances for festival participation is something that is working currently, and much better than it would only releasing an album in stores/internet, generating buzz and touring... Prince got his album in the hands of almost 3 million people in the UK last time and sold 21 nights at 02. Does anyone seriously think he would have sold 3 million CD's in the UK or sold all those nights if he didn't have additional buzz and interest by getting his music to people who weren't traditional Prince fans? 3121 only sold 80K in the UK! So he knows what can work for him. Its just being smart. As usual with trendsetters, they're lambasted in the present and then admired years afterwards for doing what others are too pussy or not imaginative enough to do...