violetblues said:

Genesia said:

Probably not, 20-something. Now, run along and play.

Brain decline' begins at age 27

Mental powers start to dwindle at 27 after peaking at 22, marking the start of old age, US research suggests.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7945569.stm

It is pretty well known that physical and mental performance start to decline in your 30's, so I guess that explains a lot about you and your dumbest posts on the .org record holding status. lol

I would refute this SUGGESTED THEORY whole heartedly, based on myself alone.

It could very well be generally true, but it is far from an all-inclusive fact.

PLUS... when you're speaking of Art, how many writers, actors, film makers, and musicians became better in their works as they aged? Quite a few.

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[Edited 7/2/10 11:27am]

BartVanHemelen said:

lezama said:

If a person FAILED to mature and change from their twenties to their fifties there'd be something seriously wrong with them. Its life. Get over it...

Yes, locking your mind and only listening to the babblings of a cult = being mature.

In the early 1980s, Prince met Santana, and was disappointed afterwards because Santana was only talking about his guru etc.

Prince is happy? How do you know? Because he says so? In an interview that's full of bullshit, hype and lies? Oh, and for a happy, "spiritual" man he does a lot of bitching, and he's unable to reconcile with people he's hurt in the past.

Back in the 1980s Prince didn't wanna end up being an oldies act. In Monaco in 2009, the average age of the songs he played was 25+ years.

Oh, and FYI: people who saw Prince at the Celebrations a couple of years ago, reported how amazed he looked when watching the videos from his concerts from the 1980s.

The Prince of 2010 is mature? So that's why he answers "I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you" when Hans-Maarten Post asks him what his business model is beyond sticking free CDs on lousy newspapers for a large cash advance.

Based on all that, I'd say that the OP is largely correct; and moreover, the Prince of 1984 would be right in mocking the Prince of 2010.

I find it very ironic that some people here have the nerve to imply anyone else is immature... especially given their obsession with trying to dictate how and who a person they don't even know should act and think...

Maturity is realizing you don't live other peoples lives for them, so wasting your time every day posting crap about what they should do and who they should be is a complete waste of time and energy.

Maturity is accepting others for who they are (especially when they're a gazillion miles away from being in your circle of influence) and either taking them or leaving them. You act like Prince forces his existence and eccentricities and failings as a human being on you. That doesn't sound very mature to me...

violetblues said:

Genesia said:

Probably not, 20-something. Now, run along and play.

Brain decline' begins at age 27

Two very important responses to that...

First, some people decline faster than others.

Second, we sure as hell don't all start declining from a place of mental equality.

Put those two things together and it's very easy to understand why there are scary ignorant 30 year olds and mind-bogglingly brilliant 60 year olds.

Cerebus said:

violetblues said:

Brain decline' begins at age 27

Two very important responses to that...

First, some people decline faster than others.

Second, we sure as hell don't all start declining from a place of mental equality.

Put those two things together and it's very easy to understand why there are scary ignorant 30 year olds and mind-bogglingly brilliant 60 year olds.

Giovanni777 said:

U have that backwards, my friend.

The Prince of 2010 KNOWS the Prince of 1984, and he's laughing at him.

Prince is seriously far more advanced musicall and vocally then he was then. Better songwriter 2.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....(cough!).....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhA!

Giovanni777 said:

U have that backwards, my friend.

The Prince of 2010 KNOWS the Prince of 1984, and he's laughing at him.

Prince is seriously far more advanced musicall and vocally then he was then. Better songwriter 2.

I could not agree with you more Giovanni!

g3121 said:

Graycap23 said:

The EYE of the Beholder is blind

When I take 2 steps 4ward in the back of his '84 mind

The Prince of 1984 is gone

Replaced by the now......and the cellular phone.

If u wish 2 still get yo kicks

I suggest u a take a lick...........of 20ten.

It will be out in 1 week

And u can listen.........again, and again......and again.

i love this response. the org is a great place to find out whats going on in the world of prince and i love it for that, but what i can't stand is the constant ''he's not as great as he used to be'' type attitude so many people here have.. prince is an ARTIST and a MUSICIAN he is not a cookie cutter singer who remains stagnant and the same. The whole point in art is to express yourself and where you are with your life... if prince was still at the same point in his life as he was 26 years ago then there would be a real problem and his music would be ridiculous as he would have no new experiences or life experience or issues close to his heat to feel passionate about. the prince of 1984 would have laughed at the prince of 2010 if he was exactly the same as he was back then.. 25 years of being a superstar and a human life with nothing to show for it, nothing new or fresh to contribute. i thank god for the fact that the prince of 2010 is who he is today because if he wasn't not only would he be in a mess but i would be bored, change is good, so many people here don't seem to get that. 20ten is a new prince album and you should be grateful he still has the drive and the music within him to carry on giving.. you are all like this because his output has spoilt you, you have bizarre expectations and don't appear able to appreciate the music anymore. If you don't like it, leave. because there are plenty of us that do. i have NEVER heard a prince album i didn't like, not out of blind 'famdom' but because i genuinely enjoy his music and his journey. 20ten will be out in a week as 'graycap' has pointed out, and i'm sure there are many of you who can't wait to be 'disappointed' just so you have something to rant about. i can't wait to hear the new music because it's NEW. a concept which so many people here clarly are too uncmfortable to embrace. change is good. the prince of 1984 wouldn't have laughed at the prince of 2010 because prince wasn't and isn't blinkered. prince is prince and the more he evolves the more i love him for it.

Excellent g3121!!!

I am with you!

OK, I'll chime in on this....

I do believe Prince is a better musician now than he was in 1984. Anybody who has the opportunity to practice and play that much SHOULD get better. I do NOT believe he writes better songs than he did from 1981 to, saaay, 1992 or so. That was his peak level of songwriting brilliance, and it's common for artists with longevity like his to have those periods. Since that time he pretty much had all of his styles worked out and has continually fallen back on them when writing new songs. He touched on country a couple times after that (huge failures for me) and The Rainbow Children was adventurous when the went for the pure, raw funk. Otherwise, Prince has been far more formulaic than most people are willing to admit. Now, for me - and I know this is the part most people will disagree with - his lyrical content/ideas have been on a slow decline. He's repeated himself ad nauseam and gone into "what?!" territory far more often than most artists would EVER be allowed. But he's still Prince. He started so far ahead of everybody else that he's been given A LOT of hall passes. Dude just keep strolling along. Pullin' stuff out of the closets.

Cerebus said:

OK, I'll chime in on this....

I do believe Prince is a better musician now than he was in 1984. Anybody who has the opportunity to practice and play that much SHOULD get better. I do NOT believe he writes better songs than he did from 1981 to, saaay, 1992 or so. That was his peak level of songwriting brilliance, and it's common for artists with longevity like his to have those periods. Since that time he pretty much had all of his styles worked out and has continually fallen back on them when writing new songs. He touched on country a couple times after that (huge failures for me) and The Rainbow Children was adventurous when the went for the pure, raw funk. Otherwise, Prince has been far more formulaic than most people are willing to admit. Now, for me - and I know this is the part most people will disagree with - his lyrical content/ideas have been on a slow decline. He's repeated himself ad nauseam and gone into "what?!" territory far more often than most artists would EVER be allowed. But he's still Prince. He started so far ahead of everybody else that he's been given A LOT of hall passes. Dude just keep strolling along. Pullin' stuff out of the closets.

You and I have talked about this before - I totally agree. It's been so long since I've heard him write lyrics that made me think, "I wish I'd written that."

Granted, not everything he wrote in the 80s was a lyrical gem, either. But the "make you suck your tongue and say 'ooh'" moments are a lot rarer now.

This is like comparing Prince to Ready for the World. Sure, RFTW have a Prince tincture, but they aint Prince. Prince today is like RFTW pretending to be the Prince of old. That purple pooch just don't hunt. Oh Sheila is a cute song, but is it the Beautiful Ones or Raspberry Beret? Pretty easy answer.

Prince of 1984 would not laugh, he might cry.

I got a question. Why does it matter what Prince of 1984 would think about Prince of 2010?

purplecam said:

I got a question. Why does it matter what Prince of 1984 would think about Prince of 2010?

Because somewhere deep inside ourselves we lose touch with our truth, our gifts and our dreams that are born in our youth. These things can be found again, like hidden treasures.

Perhaps Prince will become possessed like Regan in the Exorcist.

The Power of Prince compels you!

Genesia said:

violetblues said:

It isn't against the rules to post entire articles. It is against the rules to post entire articles without giving your impression of them. The rule as stated in the P&R forum:

PLEASE do not copy articles verbatim from other sites or post videos without comment! If you want to quote something, or post a video, fine... say where it comes from, provide a link, and also provide ANALYSIS and INSIGHT of your own. We're here to discuss and debate ideas we actually hold.

It's okay. Perhaps by your 50s, you will have learned to read.

Sure, and perhaps you would learn what "verbatim" means

You are too easy and I do not want to stoke the fires anymore. I have nothing against you. You are good member of this community, but sometimes very easy to mock and in this instance i just couldn't help myself.

Genesia said:

Cerebus said:

his lyrical content/ideas have been on a slow decline.

You and I have talked about this before - I totally agree. It's been so long since I've heard him write lyrics that made me think, "I wish I'd written that."

Granted, not everything he wrote in the 80s was a lyrical gem, either. But the "make you suck your tongue and say 'ooh'" moments are a lot rarer now.

Yerp. It's one of the things that stops me from listening to his new albums for a few months straight like I used to. There's actually been a few songs post Musicology that I have NEVER listened to more than once because they make me cringe lyrically. I figure if I don't listen to them again maybe I can just forget they exist.

True about the eighties, too. But back then it was adventurous, new and different. It was cool BECAUSE it was weird. Now, ehhh, not so much.

Not to stoke the embers too hard, but it's also one of the points that irk me the most about the hardest of the hardcore fans. No musician is perfect. Anybody whose been doing it as long as Prince is GOING to make missteps. So stop trying to tell me how great every note the guy has ever recorded is and start listening to some other music!

[Edited 7/2/10 12:18pm]

Hah! We were thinking about stoking fires and embers at the same time.... that's kind of weird actually.

violetblues said:

Genesia said:

Sure, and perhaps you would learn what "verbatim" means

You are too easy and I do not want to stoke the fires anymore. I have nothing against you. You are good member of this community, but sometimes very easy to mock and in this instance i just couldn't help myself.

Perhaps you will learn that "verbatim" is used incorrectly in this instance and is, therefore, beside the point.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

purplecam said:

I got a question. Why does it matter what Prince of 1984 would think about Prince of 2010?

Because somewhere deep inside ourselves we lose touch with our truth, our gifts and our dreams that are born in our youth. These things can be found again, like hidden treasures.

Perhaps Prince will become possessed like Regan in the Exorcist.

The Power of Prince compels you!

So this thread is going to bring back all the things that Prince has "lost" back to Prince? Am I understanding you correctly here?

Genesia said:

violetblues said:

Sure, and perhaps you would learn what "verbatim" means

You are too easy and I do not want to stoke the fires anymore. I have nothing against you. You are good member of this community, but sometimes very easy to mock and in this instance i just couldn't help myself.

Perhaps you will learn that "verbatim" is used incorrectly in this instance and is, therefore, beside the point.

Maybe but to my knowledge "verbatim" has always meant word for word.

violetblues said:

Genesia said:

Perhaps you will learn that "verbatim" is used incorrectly in this instance and is, therefore, beside the point.

Maybe but to my knowledge "verbatim" has always meant word for word.

So you concede the point. Thank you.

If you copy something, you make a duplicate of it. Of course, it's going to be word for word.

Do you know the meaning of redundant?

Genesia said:

violetblues said:

Maybe but to my knowledge "verbatim" has always meant word for word.

So you concede the point. Thank you.

If you copy something, you make a duplicate of it. Of course, it's going to be word for word.

Do you know the meaning of redundant?

You just typed it for me.

The "maybe" was was meant to be sarcastic but you take it any way you like.

Give it up Genesia you are not helping your case at all.

Cerebus said:

Genesia said:

You and I have talked about this before - I totally agree. It's been so long since I've heard him write lyrics that made me think, "I wish I'd written that."

Granted, not everything he wrote in the 80s was a lyrical gem, either. But the "make you suck your tongue and say 'ooh'" moments are a lot rarer now.

Yerp. It's one of the things that stops me from listening to his new albums for a few months straight like I used to. There's actually been a few songs post Musicology that I have NEVER listened to more than once because they make me cringe lyrically. I figure if I don't listen to them again maybe I can just forget they exist.

True about the eighties, too. But back then it was adventurous, new and different. It was cool BECAUSE it was weird. Now, ehhh, not so much.

Not to stoke the embers too hard, but it's also one of the points that irk me the most about the hardest of the hardcore fans. No musician is perfect. Anybody whose been doing it as long as Prince is GOING to make missteps. So stop trying to tell me how great every note the guy has ever recorded is and start listening to some other music!

[Edited 7/2/10 12:18pm]

True but I would like it if people here would stop telling me how bad every Prince song or/and album after 1980 or 1990-something is every chance they get! It's a 2-way street here. I am a hardcore Prince fan and I'm damn proud of it. I know that everything Prince makes isn't "gold" and I don't like every single thing he makes but I still find a way to enjoy what he's doing in spite of it and I don't force myself to like any of it. Now if I were to like everything he does, why should I be called "crazy" for it? If I'm a "fam" in your eyes, what difference does it make to you? Music is supposed to bring you joy last time I checked and if Prince of 2010 is still making me happy like Prince of 1984 did, shouldn't that be a good thing?

Look, a whole lot has changed with the man, good and bad, but in the end, I don't care much about his personal life, I care that he makes music that I still give a damn about and he's still doing it for me. I'm sorry if you don't care much for the Prince of anywhere after 1995 or whatever year you gave up on him (I'm not talking about you personally Cerebus, unless you fall into this group) but I haven't given up on the dude and I am enjoying what he's doing and I hope to keep on enjoying the music that he makes for many more years to come. That what matters most to me, not whether Prince from a million years ago would laugh at Prince now.

Giovanni777 said:

U have that backwards, my friend.

The Prince of 2010 KNOWS the Prince of 1984, and he's laughing at him.

Prince is seriously far more advanced musicall and vocally then he was then. Better songwriter 2.

"Better songwriter"?? Are you kidding? Was that sarcasm? The songs he used to write back then were STELLAR and legendary. It was one of the reasons why people wanted songs from him. Who in the hell is asking him to write and/or produce something for them now? *patiently waiting, while tapping my foot*

I'd almost laugh at the "vocally" part, but his falsetto has gotten smoother over the years, but at the same time, he doesn't sing with any passion like he used to, smooth or not. Just face it...musically, the 1984 Prince pwned today's Prince. Personally and spiritually he MAY be in a better place, but musically, awww haayl to the naw!

purplecam said:

Cerebus said:

Yerp. It's one of the things that stops me from listening to his new albums for a few months straight like I used to. There's actually been a few songs post Musicology that I have NEVER listened to more than once because they make me cringe lyrically. I figure if I don't listen to them again maybe I can just forget they exist.

True about the eighties, too. But back then it was adventurous, new and different. It was cool BECAUSE it was weird. Now, ehhh, not so much.

Not to stoke the embers too hard, but it's also one of the points that irk me the most about the hardest of the hardcore fans. No musician is perfect. Anybody whose been doing it as long as Prince is GOING to make missteps. So stop trying to tell me how great every note the guy has ever recorded is and start listening to some other music!

[Edited 7/2/10 12:18pm]

True but I would like it if people here would stop telling me how bad every Prince song or/and album after 1980 or 1990-something is every chance they get! It's a 2-way street here. I am a hardcore Prince fan and I'm damn proud of it. I know that everything Prince makes isn't "gold" and I don't like every single thing he makes but I still find a way to enjoy what he's doing in spite of it and I don't force myself to like any of it. Now if I were to like everything he does, why should I be called "crazy" for it? If I'm a "fam" in your eyes, what difference does it make to you? Music is supposed to bring you joy last time I checked and if Prince of 2010 is still making me happy like Prince of 1984 did, shouldn't that be a good thing?

Look, a whole lot has changed with the man, good and bad, but in the end, I don't care much about his personal life, I care that he makes music that I still give a damn about and he's still doing it for me. I'm sorry if you don't care much for the Prince of anywhere after 1995 or whatever year you gave up on him (I'm not talking about you personally Cerebus, unless you fall into this group) but I haven't given up on the dude and I am enjoying what he's doing and I hope to keep on enjoying the music that he makes for many more years to come. That what matters most to me, not whether Prince from a million years ago would laugh at Prince now.

Nothing about this is personal for me. That's another of the things that irks me about Prince fans. We're just having a discussion. I'll respect your point of view so long as you respect mine. But it's definitely nothing personal from where I stand (or sit), regardless. I wouldn't call 99% of Prince fans "crazy", either (there certainly is tht 1%, though ). I just think there's a lot of people who have some blinders on regarding the quality of SOME of his later musical releases.

I ignore Prince's personal life and have done so for a very long time. Anybody who has discussed his work with me for any length of time knows this. Even though his personal life clearly leaks into his music, I have no problem seperating the two. He releases music to the public, so I have no problem judging and discussing that work just like people all over the planet do with all types of art. But his ACTUAL private life is his alone. I don't care about that. To further explain this, Prince is a JW, right? Great! Doesn't matter to me. But if Prince writes lyrics containing the ideas and messages put forth in his faith, that's fair game. I'll talk about that.

I do still care about Prince's music - all of it. There is no cut off date for me. I'm very interested in hearing the new album. But I'm not excited about it, I'm not expecting something that measures up to his masterpieces of the past, and I probably won't listen to more than a couple songs for any length of time. But I always find a few gems that I add to the MP3 pile. I'm still a Prince fan and I always will be. Otherwise, why come here and talk about this stuff? But I think after all these years it's fair to admit that there are many different kinds of Prince fans, "fams" or whatever else you want to call them. In accordance with those different levels of fandom, some of us find it easier to discuss his current music in a more unbiased manner than others. For me, that's not an insult to any other kind of Prince fan. It's just the way it is.

[Edited 7/2/10 16:19pm]

alexnvrmnd777 said:

he doesn't sing with any passion like he used to, smooth or not.

I so COMPLETELY agree with that. Listen to the work he did on the vocal overdubs ALONE on all the classic albums. Not to mention the lead vocals. Layer after layer of Prince singing with passion, WITH HIMSELF! In regards to the lead vocals, listen to SOTT and then tell me brother is still trying to emote that way with his singing. Nuh-uh. No way. Most songs these days are a single, uninspired lead vocal track with equally uninspired backing vocals by somebody else. And that Hot Summer song is one of the most lackadasical examples I've ever heard of exactly what I'm talking about. Sounded like dude was totally focused on doing something else while he laid down those vocals.

rusty1 said:

if u gave Prince a crystal ball to see his future back in 1984... he would'nt believe his eyes and ears... The prince of back then was in your face but in a cool nasty way.. he would sing songs of lust,sex, god,spirituality,... all rolled up into one... Prince would keep u off balance to what phase he would've go into next... The man was a musical chamelion.....

Prince used to "set ur mind free"...

The prince of today changes the lyrics to his old songs... It's like a paintist going back to ruin a masterpiece which should never be touched... I miss the dirty mind era....... Prince was like fuck this.. which resulted in a garage rock/newwave... groundbreaking sound.............

The 26 year old Prince would see that crystal ball and say"what i regret what drives me creatively.....don't curse"fuck that!'.................

I can't believe the prince of 1984 has turned into today's hyprocrit........... But saying all of that.. i'm always going to be a fan of his............ it's just frustrating being a fan at times... what does the prince family on here think about all of this?

I actually agree, I love how he talks about God as a believer in God and the majority of christianity I respect even if i dont always agree with what JW preach, but I feel hes slighly brainwashed? Dont get me wrong If it makes him a better person then yes, but I wish he wouldnt feel so guilty about the way most of his music was, Im all for growth, but there seems to be a full on change and shame.

I loved the way he spoke of sex(making love) but in such a deep profound way. But his soul was there and still is.

He seems like the type of person who will now frown if "ass" happens to slip out of your mouth such as the show was "kickass" lool.

Get loose Prince lool we know you love God so why do some/most (or just me) feel disconnected from what you have to say, and your new music, as if your heart is only half there.

Yes it does get frustrating because I wish I could defend everything about him, cant at times.

Love how you put it rusty, prince family ..aw

I give props to anyone who can, year after year after year, deliver at leat a couple of songs that make me wish I was a musician.

Just since Rainbow Children (2001):

She Loves Me For Me

1+1+1=3

Everlasting Now

Last December

Planet Earth

The 1 U Wanna C

Guitar

Fury

3121

Lolita

Musicology

Call My Name

Cinnamon Girl after yea

Colonized Mind

The Wall of Berlin

Ol' Skool Company

Forever

Ever think maybe it isn't just him that has changed as a musician, but we have aged and changed as listeners? What other musician of his stature are you following from that period making new, challenging, enjoyable music that consistently?

Caroke said:

Paris9748430 said:

I'm glad Prince isn't like he was in 1984.

Because it's not 1984, it's 2010.

You know what the 1984 me would do to the 2010 me? He'd poop his pants and start crying, because I was 1 year old in '84.

You're not psychic and you don't have a time machine. So don't pretend that you know what someone was thinking 26 years ago.,

I got to co-sign on this one!!!

I agree with the orginal post.

The 52 year old Prince of now has no "edge" compared to the one from 1984.

It's sad but true.

I wouldnt say hes lost "edge" ibecause it will lead to alot of "WTF, EDGE YADAYADA"

HeS just put away his ability to adapt to his trademark "cool" as in being different and his music just having a different feel to everything. And that to me never meant when he was swearing or talking about sex in certain ways. Dude is a genius and its a switch that can be flicked back on if he allowed himself to.

[Edited 7/2/10 16:43pm]