TheRIP said:

Deadflow3r said:

I think one of the most important things to Prince right now is trustworthyness. I don't think he wants his everymove to to be written down in a journal someplace and later to be revealed in an inerview by a "friend/bandmate". He is a stickler for loyalty and he knows he has some eccentric qualities and he doesn't want them to be used by former bandmates to get interviews. Now I may be wrong, and correct me if I am, alot of the tell-all interviews that made him look like an ass were done by white bandmates and then there was the 3 part Kevin Smith interview,and Kevin is white.

I myself am white, so I am not trying to put down white people, but I am wondering if they have not, in the past, kept things as close to the vest as he would have liked them to? It is just my guess, that is all.

He's had so few white band mates. Who are you referring to? And it would be stupid for him to hate on Kevin Smith cuz Kevin is the one who got fucked over. Besides, I'm referring to the 1990 racial shift. The Kevin Smith thing happened years later.

The ones that come to mind are Wendy and Lisa. Obviously they both think highly of him and have said so many a time, but I get the feeling that maybe they talk about him more then he would like them too. Like I said, it's just a guess.

Even in watching interviews over the years, the man seems less guarded and more playful and at ease when the interviewer is black then when the interviewer is white.

Deadflow3r said:

TheRIP said:

He's had so few white band mates. Who are you referring to? And it would be stupid for him to hate on Kevin Smith cuz Kevin is the one who got fucked over. Besides, I'm referring to the 1990 racial shift. The Kevin Smith thing happened years later.

The ones that come to mind are Wendy and Lisa. Obviously they both think highly of him and have said so many a time, but I get the feeling that maybe they talk about him more then he would like them too. Like I said, it's just a guess.

Even in watching interviews over the years, the man seems less guarded and more playful and at ease when the interviewer is black then when the interviewer is white.

He seems to like Matt Lauer and he obviously likes performing on Jay Leno. I don't think he dislikes white people, but he seems to keep them at arm's length.

TheRIP said:

Deadflow3r said:

The ones that come to mind are Wendy and Lisa. Obviously they both think highly of him and have said so many a time, but I get the feeling that maybe they talk about him more then he would like them too. Like I said, it's just a guess.

Even in watching interviews over the years, the man seems less guarded and more playful and at ease when the interviewer is black then when the interviewer is white.

He seems to like Matt Lauer and he obviously likes performing on Jay Leno. I don't think he dislikes white people, but he seems to keep them at arm's length.

What would u prefer?

Graycap23 said:

TheRIP said:

He seems to like Matt Lauer and he obviously likes performing on Jay Leno. I don't think he dislikes white people, but he seems to keep them at arm's length.

What would u prefer?

I would prefer Prince make good music again. But on a secondary note, I did appreciate the diversity of his past bands. It showed a certain level of openness that we don't get anymore.

TheRIP said:

Graycap23 said:

What would u prefer?

I would prefer Prince make good music again. But on a secondary note, I did appreciate the diversity of his past bands. It showed a certain level of openness that we don't get anymore.

A certain level of openness? What do u mean?

Graycap23 said:

TheRIP said:

I would prefer Prince make good music again. But on a secondary note, I did appreciate the diversity of his past bands. It showed a certain level of openness that we don't get anymore.

A certain level of openness? What do u mean?

Back in the early days, Prince practiced constant experimentation with very few restrictions. He didn't care if the band looked androgynous, he didn't care if wild stuff happened on stage, and he didn't care if the band was mixed. It was a wild, colorful time. That added to the overall mass appeal.

TheRIP said:

Deadflow3r said:

The ones that come to mind are Wendy and Lisa. Obviously they both think highly of him and have said so many a time, but I get the feeling that maybe they talk about him more then he would like them too. Like I said, it's just a guess.

Even in watching interviews over the years, the man seems less guarded and more playful and at ease when the interviewer is black then when the interviewer is white.

He seems to like Matt Lauer and he obviously likes performing on Jay Leno. I don't think he dislikes white people, but he seems to keep them at arm's length.

It was the Matt interview that I am thinking of. It was obvious that he respected Matt as an interviewer, but the ease with which he speaks to Tavis was not there. His body language is not as relaxed, there is more tension in his face. Then again, Tavis has become a personal friend. Maybe that is it. Maybe this group of musicians that he works with now are, above all else, friends first. Honestly, i am just guessing here.

BklynDiamond said:

TheRIP said:

I think you're just trying to make a mess here.

Never did I say Prince only cared about race, regardless of talent. Obviously he'll take a talented white player over a talentless black guy off the street any day. But if he has two equally talented guitarists in front of him, one being white and the other black, does race have anything to do with the final decision? My personal opinion is that he would go with the black guy.

This is the only point I'm making. Take some time to read before going off into ridiculous directions.

None of us are in a position to answer that question as we are not him. We can give our opinions, but they are just that, opinions, not truth or fact.

Absolutely.

TheRIP said:

Graycap23 said:

A certain level of openness? What do u mean?

Back in the early days, Prince practiced constant experimentation with very few restrictions. He didn't care if the band looked androgynous, he didn't care if wild stuff happened on stage, and he didn't care if the band was mixed. It was a wild, colorful time. That added to the overall mass appeal.

I don't think that has anything to do with the make up of the band and more to do with the man has grown up.

Sorry at 52 he shouldn't still be doing the same antics that he did at 25. He should have matured and honed his craft.

Now if the music is dead, that again is him and not his band. HE writes his music not the band.

Also, he has had many white people in his band over the years and collaborated with many white people throughout the years.

I think people are projecting what they want to say about him on him.....whether it is based in facts or not.

Deadflow3r said:

TheRIP said:

He seems to like Matt Lauer and he obviously likes performing on Jay Leno. I don't think he dislikes white people, but he seems to keep them at arm's length.

It was the Matt interview that I am thinking of. It was obvious that he respected Matt as an interviewer, but the ease with which he speaks to Tavis was not there. His body language is not as relaxed, there is more tension in his face. Then again, Tavis has become a personal friend. Maybe that is it. Maybe this group of musicians that he works with now are, above all else, friends first. Honestly, i am just guessing here.

Prince and Tavis are just friendlier with each other in general. Plus, Tavis gives Prince a lot more talk time and doesn't challenge him on anything, regardless of how wacky he gets.

I'm sorry but this thread is nuts! I'm not into pot stirring for sake of...well, pot stirring.

BklynDiamond said:

TheRIP said:

Back in the early days, Prince practiced constant experimentation with very few restrictions. He didn't care if the band looked androgynous, he didn't care if wild stuff happened on stage, and he didn't care if the band was mixed. It was a wild, colorful time. That added to the overall mass appeal.

I don't think that has anything to do with the make up of the band and more to do with the man has grown up.

Sorry at 52 he shouldn't still be doing the same antics that he did at 25. He should have matured and honed his craft.

Now if the music is dead, that again is him and not his band. HE writes his music not the band.

Also, he has had many white people in his band over the years and collaborated with many white people throughout the years.

I think people are projecting what they want to say about him on him.....whether it is based in facts or not.

You could probably name those white people on one hand.

TheRIP said:

BklynDiamond said:

I don't think that has anything to do with the make up of the band and more to do with the man has grown up.

Sorry at 52 he shouldn't still be doing the same antics that he did at 25. He should have matured and honed his craft.

Now if the music is dead, that again is him and not his band. HE writes his music not the band.

Also, he has had many white people in his band over the years and collaborated with many white people throughout the years.

I think people are projecting what they want to say about him on him.....whether it is based in facts or not.

You could probably name those white people on one hand.

So what is your point? I don't get it.

Graycap23 said:

TheRIP said:

You could probably name those white people on one hand.

So what is your point? I don't get it.

I'm responding to this:

"he has had many white people in his band over the years and collaborated with many white people throughout the years."

I challenge the "many" part of that statement.

this may be off-topic, but are all the current band members jw?

frenchylatina said:

this may be off-topic, but are all the current band members jw?

No they're not.

PicklesMcMillan said:

TheRIP said:

Why?

because the org likes to get off topic

and it might be a full on racial debate that answers none of your original questions

expect to see the following orgers lauraRichardson, ernestswell , BartVanHemelen, 2elijah

and many more all going at it j/p

lets hope it doesnt reach to that though

You cannot resolve racial issues without discussing them. What is with this let’s all go and put our heads in the sand attitude about race?

To answer the question I think it is a case of “been there and done that” He had a mixed band in the late 70s and 80s when not many black artist had female or white band members. My guess is he made his point and moved on or just has not been able to find any white players he likes. He said he gets a lot of musicians threw Sheile E so maybe it is just that she knows a lot more black musicians than white musicians.

TheRIP said:

BklynDiamond said:

I don't think that has anything to do with the make up of the band and more to do with the man has grown up.

Sorry at 52 he shouldn't still be doing the same antics that he did at 25. He should have matured and honed his craft.

Now if the music is dead, that again is him and not his band. HE writes his music not the band.

Also, he has had many white people in his band over the years and collaborated with many white people throughout the years.

I think people are projecting what they want to say about him on him.....whether it is based in facts or not.

You could probably name those white people on one hand.

off the top of my head at work I have, Wendy, Lisa, Eric Leeds, Bobby Z, Matt Fink, Gayle Champan, Susannah, Sugar Walls Chick (can't think of her name) St. Paul, Tommy B, Madhouse (mixed group) Ingrid Chavez (wasn't black) and that is just quick with no research. I am sure others can add to the list.

Either way, Prince has always been diverse and I see no reason to question it now. He is working with people he wants to work with at this particular moment and tomorrow it can be a whole new band.

Race never has seemed to be an issue before.

2elijah said:

frenchylatina said:

this may be off-topic, but are all the current band members jw?

No they're not.

How do you know?

laurarichardson said:

PicklesMcMillan said:

because the org likes to get off topic

and it might be a full on racial debate that answers none of your original questions

expect to see the following orgers lauraRichardson, ernestswell , BartVanHemelen, 2elijah

and many more all going at it j/p

lets hope it doesnt reach to that though

You cannot resolve racial issues without discussing them. What is with this let’s all go and put our heads in the sand attitude about race?

To answer the question I think it is a case of “been there and done that” He had a mixed band in the late 70s and 80s when not many black artist had female or white band members. My guess is he made his point and moved on or just has not been able to find any white players he likes. He said he gets a lot of musicians threw Sheile E so maybe it is just that she knows a lot more black musicians than white musicians.

That's a good possibility.

I think Prince needs a new rock outlet.

BklynDiamond said:

TheRIP said:

You could probably name those white people on one hand.

off the top of my head at work I have, Wendy, Lisa, Eric Leeds, Bobby Z, Matt Fink, Gayle Champan, Susannah, Sugar Walls Chick (can't think of her name) St. Paul, Tommy B, Madhouse (mixed group) Ingrid Chavez (wasn't black) and that is just quick with no research. I am sure others can add to the list.

Either way, Prince has always been diverse and I see no reason to question it now. He is working with people he wants to work with at this particular moment and tomorrow it can be a whole new band.

Race never has seemed to be an issue before.

Almost everyone you mentioned is from the 80's. How many from 1990 til today can you mention?

TheRIP said:

Deadflow3r said:

The ones that come to mind are Wendy and Lisa. Obviously they both think highly of him and have said so many a time, but I get the feeling that maybe they talk about him more then he would like them too. Like I said, it's just a guess.

Even in watching interviews over the years, the man seems less guarded and more playful and at ease when the interviewer is black then when the interviewer is white.

He seems to like Matt Lauer and he obviously likes performing on Jay Leno. I don't think he dislikes white people, but he seems to keep them at arm's length.

It was the Matt interview that I am thinking of. It was obvious that he respected Matt as an interviewer, but the ease with which he speaks to Tavis was not there. His body language is not as relaxed, there is more tension in his face. Then again, Tavis has become a personal friend. Maybe that is it. Maybe this group of musicians that he works with now are, above all else, friends first. Honestly, i am just guessing here.

laurarichardson said:

PicklesMcMillan said:

because the org likes to get off topic

and it might be a full on racial debate that answers none of your original questions

expect to see the following orgers lauraRichardson, ernestswell , BartVanHemelen, 2elijah

and many more all going at it j/p

lets hope it doesnt reach to that though

You cannot resolve racial issues without discussing them. What is with this let’s all go and put our heads in the sand attitude about race?

To answer the question I think it is a case of “been there and done that” He had a mixed band in the late 70s and 80s when not many black artist had female or white band members. My guess is he made his point and moved on or just has not been able to find any white players he likes. He said he gets a lot of musicians threw Sheile E so maybe it is just that she knows a lot more black musicians than white musicians.

i agree with you we should discuss race

however on the org some people get off topic and start making it personal

alots of times they make nasty remarks

and it turns out to be a not so sensible debate

they dont take other peoples opinions and experiences in consideration when discussing race

PicklesMcMillan said:

laurarichardson said:

You cannot resolve racial issues without discussing them. What is with this let’s all go and put our heads in the sand attitude about race?

To answer the question I think it is a case of “been there and done that” He had a mixed band in the late 70s and 80s when not many black artist had female or white band members. My guess is he made his point and moved on or just has not been able to find any white players he likes. He said he gets a lot of musicians threw Sheile E so maybe it is just that she knows a lot more black musicians than white musicians.

i agree with you we should discuss race

however on the org some people get off topic and start making it personal

alots of times they make nasty remarks

and it turns out to be a not so sensible debate

they dont take other peoples opinions and experiences in consideration when discussing race

Prince is a racist and so are his fans, including me.

TheRIP said:

2elijah said:

No they're not.

How do you know?

Because there's many Prince fans here, who would have revealed that information, about some of his band members by now.

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BklynDiamond said:

TheRIP said:

You could probably name those white people on one hand.

off the top of my head at work I have, Wendy, Lisa, Eric Leeds, Bobby Z, Matt Fink, Gayle Champan, Susannah, Sugar Walls Chick (can't think of her name) St. Paul, Tommy B, Madhouse (mixed group) Ingrid Chavez (wasn't black) and that is just quick with no research. I am sure others can add to the list.

Either way, Prince has always been diverse and I see no reason to question it now. He is working with people he wants to work with at this particular moment and tomorrow it can be a whole new band.

Race never has seemed to be an issue before.

Also, Candy Dulfer during the Musicology tour. I agree with you that he's worked with musicians throughout his career, from various racial backgrounds.

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ConsciousContact said:

PicklesMcMillan said:

i agree with you we should discuss race

however on the org some people get off topic and start making it personal

alots of times they make nasty remarks

and it turns out to be a not so sensible debate

they dont take other peoples opinions and experiences in consideration when discussing race

Prince is a racist and so are his fans, including me.

lol no your not

your just prejudice , and everyones has prejudice thoughts

a racist is someone who acts on there prejudices

do be a racist you gotta be doing racists things

are you out burning crosses and killing innocent people becuase of their race ??

if you are then.........

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Deadflow3r said:

TheRIP said:

He seems to like Matt Lauer and he obviously likes performing on Jay Leno. I don't think he dislikes white people, but he seems to keep them at arm's length.

It was the Matt interview that I am thinking of. It was obvious that he respected Matt as an interviewer, but the ease with which he speaks to Tavis was not there. His body language is not as relaxed, there is more tension in his face. Then again, Tavis has become a personal friend. Maybe that is it. Maybe this group of musicians that he works with now are, above all else, friends first. Honestly, i am just guessing here.

Michael B has written posts here on the Org stating that while it may have seemed there was some sort of relationship behind the scenes between P and the Band, there wasn't and it was strictly business.

Post 1990...

Candy Dulfer

Rhonda Smith

RAD

Renato Neto

Tommy Barbarella

Mayte Garcia

Elisa Fiorillo

Bria Valente

Because yall want to give credit to Princes greatest works to white people or that he needed 'white help.'

Now don't get mad that I said that.