Ooooh let it go
I was done with u the other day
other conversations are going on
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Ooooh let it go 1Drop
I was done with u the other day
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Dag, he even found a way to "bleach" out Prince's blackness. SMH. Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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Prince's skin tone was never close to black or even brown. But 1Droppers are supposed to accept all black from midnight 2 ivory correct. So it shouldn't matter
actually Tony M thought Prince wasn't black enough and told others that he was going to shove black down that ni&&as throat
Just totally disrespectful
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Yeah, but if you look from his face to his ear, neck and hands, you ssee just how far Prince went to be paler.
Again, most black Americans have relatives in our family tree who could have passed for white or were/are white. No biggie there.
Prince, as has been discussed here ad nauseum, cast himself as "whiter" to capitalize on prevailing racial politics in the music biz. Interesting picture, given that history. | |
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I agree. I'm laughing at all the images he's posting to prove a "pointless" point. I have 8 siblings, and all of us are different shades from light to darker shades. We have never had the South Africa apartheid system going in my family. We love each other and see one another as equals. We don't divide one another by "shades".
Like I said, these type threads have been popping up since Prince included himself with the black community in that Ebony interview, and since it was announced he was going to be on BET.
You had threads questioning "Ebony" magazine's name, and some calling it racist. You had people questioning why is BET named BET, and why there has to be a Black Entertainment station. You had someone asking why did Prince give an interview to a Black magazine, and assumed he had something against "White" magazines, as well as this thread questioning why Prince doesn't have a diversified band these days. Judging from many comments on this forum, I believe there are many non-black fans that are very uneducated about Black Americans/black musicians and the types of music they've played over the years and not limited to. Prince happens to be a lighter-skinned black male who played rock during the 80s, and many of his fans are working overtime to convince themselves that Prince is not a black male, when in fact, he will never in his life wake up as a white male. A black man playing rock music doesn't make him a white man. If Prince was a darker-skinned black male, like Jimi Hendrix who played rock, associated with white musicans, dated white women, yet you never see any questions raised about Jimi's race because of his complexion. Not to mention, many are unaware of the history of rock-n-roll, seeing how rock-n-roll was born out of lues and gospel, and by the late 60s, rock was pretty much abandoned by black musicians, and white musicians started to embrace it more, and that label has been attached to them since, while many black artists, shifted towards r& during that time.
I think the reason we are seeing these type threads, is because many fans were shocked by some of his comments and disappointed when he included himself as part of the black community, because of the "image" he projected in the early 80s, and I believe many want that image back, and have a hard time accepting the Prince of today. It does not surprise me that a handful are going out of their way, to find comments he made in the past to remove him from how he embraces and accepts himself today. It seems Prince has moved on, changed his image, but many of his fans haven't moved on. What I saw in the 80s is an artist who was reaching for success, and did what he had to do to do, to obtain and maintain that fan base, in order to reach the level of success he sought. He accomplished that. That was the Prince of "then;" today is the Prince of "now". He really doesn't have to prove anything anymore, he's already done it. It seems as he got older. he didn't have to portray that image 100%, partially still yes along the way, but he seems more comfortable and at peace with who he is and where he is right now.
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He looks like a "mime". I think Prince was so "hungry" to get out of the bad situation that he was in (living with a neighbor, shuffled from his father's house and reportedly even having issues with step father). Prince was only like 18-19, his biological father sounded like a pessimist from the little that I've read about him. I wouldn't be surpised if his father was the type to say "You black, you won't be able to make it yada yada yada. Because his father didn't really "make it" ".
Prince probably decided that given his present thirst to share his craft with the world, and his then living situation, that he would stop at nothing to do what he needed to do in order to get "put on". He was very young, and I'm sure very "out of touch" with "black consciousness". He did what he thought he needed to do at the time. Now he's trying to make ammends ie. Black Sweat song and video, Ebony and Jet interviews, Tavis Smiley interview and discussion etc. Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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because blacks better in music and sports just like whites better at business.it's no secret! | |
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I agree pretty much, I just feel someone of his star status has passed that place of race, people of all ethnic groups adore his music, so it's a bit pointless.
Was he not 'black' when rocking along side Morris Day the Time, Andre, Dez, Brownmark? Or was Dez not technically black because he only did rock / metal Whose blackness was he to subscribe to, and if he did " black music " would he be who he is today.
I still like the theme and lyrics 2 Purple Music
Don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
I remember on the 21 Nights disk where he talks with the crowd about how he is 'just like all of us' and 'he had to run to the store to get cigarettes and panties(?) for his mother etc etc' Well I never had to do that. And Prince has been so far removed from that, to bring that up to show he's like us is a bit sad, yet I understand life can cause you to reflect.
Just be Prince and work at making more better music and videos [Edited 7/8/10 6:45am] | |
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That's still not close to Brown, Prince has always been very fair skinned. No doubt he can get a tan, but so can a lot of white people and Italians I know
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I don't think anyone here's talking about his musical choices or talent. I'm talking about the powder/pancake makeup/whiteface/whatever he's been putting on his face for years and years. The closest I've seen him to sporting a natural was the natural wig he rocked briefly during the Musicology period.
These are issues I wish Ebony and Jet would talk to him about, rather than letting him have free reign in interviews and allowing him to get away with "boox." | |
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My post was in responce to Reel not your post
But there were times when he's worn the heavy 'powdered' make up and then not worn it.
I think he actually wore it more in the 1990's than the 1980's or 2000's
Parade he had on that heavy powdered look at times, and then SOTT he hardly wore any make up not even eye liner. So I guess he goes back in forth.
I don't always think with him it's racial though. It's no different than him wearing lace and shear material.
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Prince probably decided that given his present thirst to share his craft with the world, and his then living situation, that he would stop at nothing to do what he needed to do in order to get "put on". He was very young, and I'm sure very "out of touch" with "black consciousness". He did what he thought he needed to do at the time. Now he's trying to make ammends ie. Black Sweat song and video, Ebony and Jet interviews, Tavis Smiley interview and discussion etc. | |
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I say he should add a couple of Smurfs playing tambourines to add true diversity to his band!
The Revolution wasn't shit without Jokey murf and Smurfette! | |
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Wow, I'm glad that I'm not the only one walking the globe who could see that Prince was rocking a laced-front in that Musicology video. Because everytime I bring that discussion up.. I get hit with a bunch of "no..Prince doesn't wear a wig" crap. Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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Reel said absolutely nothing about Prince's style of music that he played. So i'm not sure why you went off on the tirade that you did. But seems like you are having more of a mental conversation with yourself rather than reading what is being typed and applying it APPROPRIATELY to some form of intelligent discussion. I never even mentioned anything about the music that he chose to play. Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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Dude, what is your problem, we were talking about Prince dealing with Blackness and how he might be going at it thru media as U said ^^^ What tirade, I wasn't arguing with anyone. The response was to someone else talking about Prince's use of powedered make up.
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Thank U 4 your intervention
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Ok so he's light skinned, he still has negroid features.but then who cares, hes still a human being like all of us. You will notice too these black and white photos it was easier to make black look white. I think 13 pages over the skin colour of Prince and his band members is silly. Why can't we all just love the skin we are in and be human beings. So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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Because people want to debate to be distant and irritant, that's why. Distance and irritation. | |
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Negroid features? That is a very outdated term. And Prince doesn't have Negroid features, if you mean that by his full lips ... Angelina Jolie has bigger lips, does that make her negroid? Prince's aqualine nose is not 'negroid' Prince's hazel brown eyes I just don't get where the negroid feature or your use of the word comes from. But Prince is a man of obvious mixed genetics so his full lips are probably from his African ancestry just like his fair skin is from his Euro ancestry
Again another wacky term created by racist ideas. Did you know at a certain time Ethiopians were classified as Caucasians / Caucasoids because they have features that tend to be thin?
If a person is light they are light, dark is dark no matter what the photo type. I posted tons of colored photos in this thread.
I think 13 pages over the diversity with Prince's bands should include images. To say it's silly when that is what the topic is about is silly. The topic might be silly too, but you have the time to join in. And I hope you aren't just jumping in near the end. Read from the start.
And I was told by a few Mods 2 keep the pics coming...
It's not about self love and esteem the discussion is about 'Very little diversity with Prince's bands' I believe the person who started this was dealing with the band of recent years.
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Race has ALWAYS been a factor in Prince's bands. Don't kid yourself. The difference is that in the 80's Prince was actively trying to bring races together but in the last 20 years he has thrown that philosophy into the garbage can - along with the few good songs he may have written. the music knows what your motives are when you are making it
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I don't know that the 80's Prince was intentionally trying to bring races together. I think that he was trying to prevent from being limited and typecast musically, and he wanted a broader audience. Bringing races together was a by-product of his music.
I think he enjoyed playing the music that he did in the 80's, I don't think it was a scam or anything, but i think his "true self" is a little less "rockish". I think he's somewhere in the middle of Funk and Rock (with a mellower deviation). That's my opinion.
All I know is that I hated that song Raspberry Beret. I coudn't figure out where he was going with Raspberry Beret or "The Bell of St. Mark" (if he wrote that for Sheila). I got lost with some of the cuts that were of that calibre. Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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That's good information. I'll have to go back and listen to Hendrix to see if I can make the connection, because right now...I'm just not hearing his influence on that song...but I have'nt gotten that deep into Hendrix to say one way or another. I guess I can see where you are coming from in regards to the "psychedelic vibe"...not sure if I got that from watching the video...or from the song itself. Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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I agree with you. Apologies for that n word, but anthropologically big lips and large eyes and curly hair are associated with African descended humans, but as you say can occure in any group of human beings. But I look at it, that all hominiod fossils seem to come from Africa and we humans as descendants of Ardipithecus (See July 2010 National Geographic) are therefore all African people, and that therefore we are all the same. The white and Mongoloid races are later mutations that took place anytime from 2 million years ago when Homo Erectus left Africa up to the last movement of humans into New Zealand 1000 years ago charts the spread of humans. What I am saying is that we are all the same, black and white and we all have Negroid or African features as we are all descended from the first modern human, an African woman some 200,000 years ago. So therefore why do we care about the skin colour and cultural background of Prince's band members, all of the people who have played with him over the years, have one thing in common, they are human beings. And yes I have "Negroid features" too, I have fuller lips and rather thick hair (Explain that to my ex boyfriends busted clippers, hes always on at me about how my hair is too kinky for him" I say live with it.
And thats what I say to all the people hair, Prince's band members are mostly African American, who cares, live with it. So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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You need another barber. Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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