robinhood said:

madhouseman said:

and he would say "you're fired". And I'd agree with him.

more than happy to leave it in the hands of those who view Prince as purely a commodity that should be pimped out until there's nothings left of it.

they'll be happy i'm sure, to make so much money and gain so much fleeting prestige, while his entire legacy gets flushed down the commercial drain pipe of transient and highly unnecessary fodder.

mm sounds good.

sorry dude, I thought you were joking about this. There are so many things on this list that are pretty important for publicity and actually making money... like playing more than 5 dates on a tour. Seriously, I am still thinking you are punking everyone with this list because most of it seems counter productive to success.

madhouseman said:

robinhood said:

more than happy to leave it in the hands of those who view Prince as purely a commodity that should be pimped out until there's nothings left of it.

they'll be happy i'm sure, to make so much money and gain so much fleeting prestige, while his entire legacy gets flushed down the commercial drain pipe of transient and highly unnecessary fodder.

mm sounds good.

sorry dude, I thought you were joking about this. There are so many things on this list that are pretty important for publicity and actually making money... like playing more than 5 dates on a tour. Seriously, I am still thinking you are punking everyone with this list because most of it seems counter productive to success.

i started this thread cuz in a different thread i read where somewhere else said "if i were Prince's manager.." and thought i'd entertain the idea.

but it got me to thinking, and i know what you mean about my list seeming counter-productive to success, but if you read my subsequent 13 points it'll all make sense.

Prince is already successful, and like i said earlier, in my humble opinion, management for him right now should be about preservation, also in one of my other posts.

cheers dude no sweat and thanks for posting.

robinhood said:

madhouseman said:

and he would say "you're fired". And I'd agree with him.

more than happy to leave it in the hands of those who view Prince as purely a commodity that should be pimped out until there's nothings left of it.

they'll be happy i'm sure, to make so much money and gain so much fleeting prestige, while his entire legacy gets flushed down the commercial drain pipe of transient and highly unnecessary fodder.

mm sounds good.

jackson35 said:

if you guys got the chance to work with prince on the few times that i have, trust me none of you would want to be his manager.

If I were Prince's manager, I'd have jumped off a bridge long ago.

Seriously, Prince needs to just focus on putting out good material. He hasn't done anything interesting in years. He needs to come off his high horse and submit to some interesting collaborations-- and I don't mean with somebody like Lenny Kravitz or Tony Bennett.

Now, Wendy and Lisa would be ok-- but I won't beat that drum.

Wildboy said:

If I were Prince's manager I would have a much different list:

1) Let someone Else Produce an Album for you- We all know that P would never let this happen. He's produced himself for 30 years and he'll be damned to let someone like Timbaland produce an album for him (no matter how good it would be). But Hypothetically what if Prince HAD TO listen to me ha ha ha. With each and every album release, Prince's discography is getting known less and less for it's quality and more and more merely for it's quantity. Prince needs more 3121 and less Planet Earth. Most of Prince's best work (PR, 1999, SOTT) came when he was working closely with other musicians and experimenting with their styles. Whether we want to admit it or not, a lot of Prince's best stuff were collaborative efforts. Prince left to his own devices becomes self indulgent and stale.

2) Quit talking about religion- What P does in the Privacy of his own home is his own bussiness. But the casual Fan doesn't want this watchtower crap rammed down their throats. BTW, how does it make sense for a guy to sing "Dance Music Sex Romance" and then 5 minutes later grill a crowd about the bible? Keep your religion to yourself Mr. Nelson

3) Start making sexy music and Swear if need be- More in the vein of Black Sweat and Guitar. Prince has it in him to make sexy dance music that can be played on the radio and have name recognition with the public at large, but he needs to blow the dam and let his old school nastiness come out.

4) No More Proteges- It's been 20 years since Prince had a meaningful side project. It's time to give it a rest. These exercises take away from Prince's creative juices at a time when I feel he doesn't have enough creative juices to spare. Also, as we clearly saw with Prince's live rendition of elixir, his versions of tracks are often FAR superior to the women he's giving them to. Elixir (the song) would have fit nicely on LF imo. Also I can't even keep these girls straight. For a while I though that Bria was Manny was Tamar. These Girls don't have the personality or chops of a Sheila E or a Vanity and money and energy should not be given to them.

5) Get album art that doesn't suck- LotusFlow3r and Planet Earth both had TERRIBLE cover art. LF is laughably bad and it's tough for the casual listener to take music serious when it's packaged so poorly. Even 3121 and Musicology had so so album covers. More art like SOTT and less like Gold Experience. I work with kids, and I know some 14yr olds who can whip up better computer art then that rink-a-dink LF cover in a few hours. That album cover was Hideous.

6) Make music videos that are made to interest new fans- With the songs Musicology, Call My Name, Black Sweat and TAC Prince spent a lot of money producing high class videos that looked good. He needs to keep this up but make sure the songs are one's people actually want to hear. More Black Sweat less TAC (pretty song but it would never have been a hit).

That's it. My six stage approach to helping Prince's career. Didn't mean for it to be such an essay

[Edited 6/26/10 8:07am]

You make some fine points, especially when you seem to suggest that Prince get over the notion that he can just put anything out and because some people call him a genius, it's a work of genius. The tank is really low.

Sweething said:

1. I'd sit with Prince and discuss where he wanted to go next; what his objectives are/were

2. I would construct a strategic plan with specific goals, benchmarks and outcomes

3. Propose the plan to Prince

4. Review the plan daily to determine if we're on course

5. Possibly enlist a focus group for some feedback

6. Check back with Prince to make sure we're on the same page and the goals and methods have not changed

7. Tweak the plan, if necessary, and to add unforseeable opportunities or issues to address

8. Check off achieved goals

9. Remind Prince (in a nice way) how lucky he was to have me

10. Begin working on next plan

11. Start over at #1

[Edited 6/28/10 22:25pm]

All corporate like, and shit.

adding to my list: 14: ban Prince from the internet. mission accomplished.

Tell him to write a bunch of great songs (this new album has several). Get with his band, learn to play them live to perfection (ala Fury on SNL) and go in the studio and record them with the band! THAT would be his true return to form!

If I was Prince's Manager, I'd tell him politely to put on these Velcro boxers and these Silver cuff links and have a seat on my bed for a few days. XO

[Edited 7/9/10 4:41am]

I'd fire him first. Everyone always likes to be first, have you seen youtube or any of the blogs? Exactly.

1 get out of the jw and find something else 2 stop all this nonsense 3give web another try but this time do it right 4get back 2 ur true self!

rbrpm said:

1 get out of the jw and find something else

2 stop all this nonsense

3 give web another try but this time do it right

4 get back 2 ur true self!

sounds good

Genesia said:

@ people thinking they're going to change a 52-year-old man.

This reminded me of a long coversation my dad had with me about men of a certain age. YA CAN'T CHANGE 'EM!!

But, let's pretend for a minute...

1-More touring of the Midwest, East, South. How much love does the West coast need?

2-Much more love (appearances) to underground places/joints

3- SOME kind of franchise. Remember the NPG Music Club store? Yeah. Pillows, blank notebooks, tambourines, picks, incense and candles.... Not too much overkill, but just enough.

4-IF any site comes into existence, there should only be one. But no fees for membership. NONE. ZIP. ZILCH.

5-T-shirts? See #3.

6-More interviews. Classy shows, fun shows. STOP HIDIN! Let the people know you're here, you're ready, and the show ain't ovah!

7-Finding proteges and sticking with them longer than a year, year and a half. (Where the [expletive deleted] is Tamar?)

8-Some kind of official Twitter, FB, [insert social site here]. A little relevance never hurt anyone. (Well...uh....hmm...lemme think about that one.)

Meh....he'll never change.

Paris9748430 said:

I'd tell him, whatever people on the org want him to do. Do the opposite.

He's already doing the opposite. HELLO! Like he cares what we're telling him. He's a 52-year-old millionaire that is resting on his laurels, he ain't gonna wanna hear what we got to say on a message board.

Timmy84 said:

Paris9748430 said:

I'd tell him, whatever people on the org want him to do. Do the opposite.

He's already doing the opposite. HELLO! Like he cares what we're telling him. He's a 52-year-old millionaire that is resting on his laurels, he ain't gonna wanna hear what we got to say on a message board.

Tame said:

If I was Prince's Manager, I'd tell him politely to put on these Velcro boxers and these Silver cuff links and have a seat on my bed for a few days. XO

[Edited 7/9/10 4:41am]

The first topic of conversation on the agenda would be competing with "John & Yoko's," long nap.

Tame said:

Tame said:

If I was Prince's Manager, I'd tell him politely to put on these Velcro boxers and these Silver cuff links and have a seat on my bed for a few days. XO

[Edited 7/9/10 4:41am]

The first topic of conversation on the agenda would be competing with "John & Yoko's," long nap.

im guessing you would look great in a fright wig.

squirrelgrease said:

jackson35 said:

if you guys got the chance to work with prince on the few times that i have, trust me none of you would want to be his manager.

Bria?

Sounds more like Mr. T.......I was just waiting for the classic line at the end "I pity the fool"................hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!

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[Edited 8/14/10 15:48pm]

robinhood said:

what would you do?

Quit.

MarcelJ said:

Tell him to write a bunch of great songs (this new album has several). Get with his band, learn to play them live to perfection (ala Fury on SNL) and go in the studio and record them with the band! THAT would be his true return to form!

I have to agree with that. It would make the live shows a lot better and 'fresher'. His tours would promote the albums again. No more controversy or peach or all the critics for the 1000th time. Imagine a set with lavaux, sticky like glue, colonized mind, etc played by a tight band . ONA tour was in the right direction, many of the songs from TRC were played back then. Now, you almost certainly know that the songs on the new albums will not be played live (the chant of everybody loves me on werchter doesn't count)

NouveauDance said:

robinhood said:

what would you do?

Quit.

i'd ask to be paid an advance. if he refused, then i'd quit and tell him "pop-stars are completely over".