O.K. when it comes to making some big$ P has often 'sold out' my Q to u is which has shocked / disappointed you the most: here's some examples: [feel free to add to the list]

Distributing PE via the Daily Mail in the UK [Possibly the UK's most right wing, anti-foreign, paranoid, smug newspaper]

Playing the hits for the last time again...and again...and again...! didn't he used to vow that he'd left the treadmill behind!

Appearing on A.I. - Need I say more!

Doing a deal with Target [fair play but doesn't selling his CDs amongst a major corporate chain go against his principles?

'The only good rapper is one whose Dead...on it' - skip forward a few years to Tony M.!

Where do I stop!. For me it has to be the AI appearance, he appeared on the biggest, musical corporate machine - now he could argue that he was there to show what real talent was all about etc BUT not with that performance!

oh and watch this space for a WB deal that may blow my list apart!!!

Do we really know enough about his "principles" to say he sold out on anything?

I don't think we do.

What???

Who cares???

Unless any of these decisions are affecting you personally, it doesn't fucking matter.

Give off your fucking high horse.

Genesia said:

Do we really know enough about his "principles" to say he sold out on anything?

I don't think we do.

I agree

Technically speaking, he has never really sold out when it comes to his "not playing the hits again" promise because when he first said that in 1985 ( or better, when Steve Fargnoli said it for Prince) , they meant not touring again...they were not specifically speaking about not playing the hits.

During the name change /Gold Experience era, he said he wouldn´t play "Prince" songs anymore, and he really didn´t. I remember casual fans leaving the concerts during the Gold Experience/Ultimate Live Experience tour in Europe. He would only play new stuff, some covers and some odd, rarely before performed songs, like Pink Cashmere etc.

He only started playing "Prince" songs again after he became Prince again in 2000.

Then, there was his statement during the Musicology tour...and he has kept that promise, at least as far as the USA are concerned. Sure, he DID play his hits again during the O2 shows in London but those were, IMO, nothing but an extension of the Musicology tour.

So, basicallly, he can still do a hits tour in the rest of Europe and after that, he can´t play his hits anymore if he sticks with what he said, because he still hasn´t performed in continental Europe apart from Montreux and Paris and some secretive private parties.

If he DOES play his hits in the USA again (or in Europe after this summer), then we can say that he broke his promise.

But with a repertoire of more than a thousand officially released songs, I doubt he´d keep playing the same old hits in the near future.

You don't know his principles, so it'd be quite amiss for anyone to comment on what he's allegedly "sold out" (a stupid term invented by hippies), or compromised, on.

he said music and money dont mix, and that music should be free

he hasnt delivered in that regard, and has literally 'sold out' on that principle by continuing to accept money for his music

robinhood said:

he said music and money dont mix, and that music should be free

he hasnt delivered in that regard, and has literally 'sold out' on that principle by continuing to accept money for his music

Give me a call the next time you work for free.

Paris9748430 said:

robinhood said:

he said music and money dont mix, and that music should be free

he hasnt delivered in that regard, and has literally 'sold out' on that principle by continuing to accept money for his music

Give me a call the next time you work for free.

"operator, why do they always gotta make it personal when i's just answerin a queshion?"

"cuz they love him"

robinhood said:

Paris9748430 said:

Give me a call the next time you work for free.

"operator, why do they always gotta make it personal when i's just answerin a queshion?"

"cuz they love him"

This ain't got anything to do with "love". I don't even know the dude.

But to say he "sold out" for charging money for his music makes no sense.

There isn't a musician on the planet who doesn't charge money for there music.

Whether it be Radiohead or Nine Inch Nails having a "name your price" policy with their records, but still charge admission to their concerts.

Or the street musician who passes a hat around.

Some of yall really need toi give it a rest...or go take a philosphy class at your local community college.

Paris9748430 said:

robinhood said:

"operator, why do they always gotta make it personal when i's just answerin a queshion?"

"cuz they love him"

But to say he "sold out" for charging money for his music makes no sense.

question: Which of P's principles did he 'sell out' on the most?

my answer: "Music and money don't mix" - Prince "Music should be free" - Prince "Free Music" - Prince

result: Prince still charges money for his music - a literal sell-out according to his self-professed principles

it's not an attack on Prince - I was answering a question based on what he has said and what he has subsequently done

there's no need to make it personal.

you and that other assclown Bart could form a team

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Dewrede said:

you and that other assclown Bart could form a team

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Bart Simpson ? thought he was teamed with Milhouse

The perfume and the phone deal thing.

funkyhead said:

O.K. when it comes to making some big$ P has often 'sold out' my Q to u is which has shocked / disappointed you the most: here's some examples: [feel free to add to the list]

Distributing PE via the Daily Mail in the UK [Possibly the UK's most right wing, anti-foreign, paranoid, smug newspaper]

Playing the hits for the last time again...and again...and again...! didn't he used to vow that he'd left the treadmill behind!

Appearing on A.I. - Need I say more!

Doing a deal with Target [fair play but doesn't selling his CDs amongst a major corporate chain go against his principles?

'The only good rapper is one whose Dead...on it' - skip forward a few years to Tony M.!

Where do I stop!. For me it has to be the AI appearance, he appeared on the biggest, musical corporate machine - now he could argue that he was there to show what real talent was all about etc BUT not with that performance!

according to MY principles, they are all wrong. But Prince seems to think otherwise, and he is allowed to do so of course.

purplesweat said:

The perfume and the phone deal thing.

And his appearance on American Idol. And I hated that he gave away his "planet earth" cd with a right-wing newspaper that has xenophobic tendencies that prince criticises in his work (like "cinnamon girl" for example).

It's also highly hypocritical to make money with meat menus in his Las Vegas "3121" restaurant, when he claims to be a vegetarian / vegan. Alright, he hasn't spoken about this topic in years, and maybe Jehova told him that it's ok to eat meat and seafood.

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funkyhead said:

O.K. when it comes to making some big$ P has often 'sold out' my Q to u is which has shocked / disappointed you the most: here's some examples: [feel free to add to the list]

Distributing PE via the Daily Mail in the UK [Possibly the UK's most right wing, anti-foreign, paranoid, smug newspaper]

Playing the hits for the last time again...and again...and again...! didn't he used to vow that he'd left the treadmill behind!

Appearing on A.I. - Need I say more!

Doing a deal with Target [fair play but doesn't selling his CDs amongst a major corporate chain go against his principles?

'The only good rapper is one whose Dead...on it' - skip forward a few years to Tony M.!

Where do I stop!. For me it has to be the AI appearance, he appeared on the biggest, musical corporate machine - now he could argue that he was there to show what real talent was all about etc BUT not with that performance!

None of the above. Stir it Up, says Marley but in a very different way to you, imho. The Sunday Mail is different to the Daily Mail--it does not matter in any case, it was an anti-sellout as it put the jacksies up the Music Executives. So I have not bothered to read any more, if your first point is anything to go by. I am still confident in saying None of the Above, lol.

Now when he makes snide comments on a forum about an artist far more talented and nicer (and yes, richer--but so was the Roman Centurion!) than he is, then maybe I'd start thinking he was a sell-out.