Question ...

For the people/former fans who feels Prince's musical gifts (genius) have been exhasted:

What is the last album you bought of Prince's?

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PurpleLove7 said:

Question ...

For the people/former fans who feels Prince's musical gifts (genius) have been exhasted:

What is the last album you bought of Prince's?

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I still buy every album... but definitely think that Prince's day has come and gone.

Hot summer is atrocious. Cause and Effect was terrible.

Lotusflower had a couple of great tracks mixed with an awful lot of filler.... and that seems to be his way now... A couple of keepers and a whole load to chuck.

Incidentally, this summer build up to a new album seems to have disappeared already. The great giveaway that never was.

I used to buy every cd, cd single, vinyl LP, vinyl single, vinyl 12 inch, VHS, Dvd. Everything I could get my hands on. Too bad the singles does not exists anymore....

I still buy every album on cd, but I am not enjoying the music released past 1996, like I used to.

The last masterpiece albums were imo. from the Exodus/ Come / The Gold Experience era in 1994-95.

Prince is still a genius playing live - but I miss the pop-funk-rock music on his albums, where are those Prince rhythms, the grandiose Prince-sound..... ?

IMO.

funkyfine said:

Incidentally, this summer build up to a new album seems to have disappeared already. The great giveaway that never was.

Who EVER said there was going to be a giveaway? All those "CD in the magazine" rumors were just that - RUMORS. No one from Ebony, or Prince's camp, ever said there was going to be an album, a single, or otherwise in the June issue of Ebony. Fans started that craze, and no one said otherwise.

Prince's camp, to my knowledge, has never mentioned any other summer giveaway either. Folks can't hang their hopes on falsehoods, then bitch when it actually doesn't come to pass.

No one's said anything about a new album either. Rumors for September? Sure, but solid fact yet? I've not heard it.

funkyfine said:

PurpleLove7 said:

Question ...

For the people/former fans who feels Prince's musical gifts (genius) have been exhasted:

What is the last album you bought of Prince's?

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I still buy every album... but definitely think that Prince's day has come and gone.

Hot summer is atrocious. Cause and Effect was terrible.

Lotusflower had a couple of great tracks mixed with an awful lot of filler.... and that seems to be his way now... A couple of keepers and a whole load to chuck.

Incidentally, this summer build up to a new album seems to have disappeared already. The great giveaway that never was.

Where did u get that mediatakeout.com???

I'm kind of with TheDance on this one. His last great, I mean TRULY great records with inspiration - angst - swagger- machismo - and a wad of ear jism - was The Exodus Has Begun and The Gold Experience.

It's pure hit and miss since then. Why were those his last great albums? Because Prince works best when there's someone challenging him, whether it's a girlfriend, or a record company, or his own conscience. None of that exists now. His music has suffered from it. His muses are gone. He's just bragging these days, and resting on his laurals, and not offering anything truly unique and new. You could maybe make one good 80-minute CD from the material of the past 12 years, from Rave through Lotusflow3r.

Is he still a genius? Sure, but geniuses work from something, too. They see blue, and they make it fire. They see glass, and make it into a skyscraper. Prince is seeing the New World Translation, Larry's ball sack, and all those awards on the walls of Paisley Park he claims to not care about winning in the first place. He's still giving his latest girlfriend her own album, and doing a bunch of nothing. Oh, well he is preaching a lot, as he fancies himself a musical prophet with some great inner knowledge of things that he has no idea about - to the extent that he should be acting like a teacher.

In concert, the man still can't be beat. No doubt about that. I don't want to hear "Little Red Corvette" on record over and over, but live? Sure, bring it on!

Oh, I'll still buy his records, always holding onto that little part in the back of my head that says, "Maybe this will be the next great record that will put the past in its chair."

So far though....not so much.

Last great album: Lovesexy

Glimpses of a genius: The Gold Experience and The Rainbow Children

I like 2000's prince more than 90's prince.

Of course... 80s prince is my fave...

I certainly don't think his musical gifts have been exhausted...

I like that he keeps trying something different musically...

End of the day, it's all personal preference. I'm always surprised when I see threads with people hating a song that I love... or loving a song that I hate.

ernestsewell said:

I'm kind of with TheDance on this one. His last great, I mean TRULY great records with inspiration - angst - swagger- machismo - and a wad of ear jism - was The Exodus Has Begun and The Gold Experience.

It's pure hit and miss since then. Why were those his last great albums? Because Prince works best when there's someone challenging him, whether it's a girlfriend, or a record company, or his own conscience. None of that exists now. His music has suffered from it. His muses are gone. He's just bragging these days, and resting on his laurals, and not offering anything truly unique and new. You could maybe make one good 80-minute CD from the material of the past 12 years, from Rave through Lotusflow3r.

Is he still a genius? Sure, but geniuses work from something, too. They see blue, and they make it fire. They see glass, and make it into a skyscraper. Prince is seeing the New World Translation, Larry's ball sack, and all those awards on the walls of Paisley Park he claims to not care about winning in the first place. He's still giving his latest girlfriend her own album, and doing a bunch of nothing. Oh, well he is preaching a lot, as he fancies himself a musical prophet with some great inner knowledge of things that he has no idea about - to the extent that he should be acting like a teacher.

In concert, the man still can't be beat. No doubt about that. I don't want to hear "Little Red Corvette" on record over and over, but live? Sure, bring it on!

Oh, I'll still buy his records, always holding onto that little part in the back of my head that says, "Maybe this will be the next great record that will put the past in its chair."

So far though....not so much.

I agree...he's a GREAT musician but GENIUS has more to do with inspiration and wherever it came from... now it's gone !! so come on!! move on !!

I don't think his "genius" is gone. He still releases some really great songs. I think the albums have been lacking something (Overall), but the musical genius is still there. Every artist of every kind goes through different phases. P has and will continue to do the same.

The only albums that I could ever listen to all the way through were The Vault, Emancipation, and Musicology..I enjoy his live music more than his recorded stuff..His live performing and his knowledge of so many instruments makes him a musical genius, not how many albums he sells or which direction the quality of his music is heading.

fambam93 said:

paisleypark4 said:

fambam93 said:

The only albums that I could ever listen to all the way through were The Vault, Emancipation, and Musicology..I enjoy his live music more than his recorded stuff..His live performing and his knowledge of so many instruments makes him a musical genius, not how many albums he sells or which direction the quality of his music is heading.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow..those three albums???? Are those the only ones u got?

She's only 16. Don't knock her for being a newbie.

ernestsewell said:

I'm kind of with TheDance on this one. His last great, I mean TRULY great records with inspiration - angst - swagger- machismo - and a wad of ear jism - was The Exodus Has Begun and The Gold Experience.

It's pure hit and miss since then. Why were those his last great albums? Because Prince works best when there's someone challenging him, whether it's a girlfriend, or a record company, or his own conscience. None of that exists now. His music has suffered from it. His muses are gone. He's just bragging these days, and resting on his laurals, and not offering anything truly unique and new. You could maybe make one good 80-minute CD from the material of the past 12 years, from Rave through Lotusflow3r.

Is he still a genius? Sure, but geniuses work from something, too. They see blue, and they make it fire. They see glass, and make it into a skyscraper. Prince is seeing the New World Translation, Larry's ball sack, and all those awards on the walls of Paisley Park he claims to not care about winning in the first place. He's still giving his latest girlfriend her own album, and doing a bunch of nothing. Oh, well he is preaching a lot, as he fancies himself a musical prophet with some great inner knowledge of things that he has no idea about - to the extent that he should be acting like a teacher.

In concert, the man still can't be beat. No doubt about that. I don't want to hear "Little Red Corvette" on record over and over, but live? Sure, bring it on!

Oh, I'll still buy his records, always holding onto that little part in the back of my head that says, "Maybe this will be the next great record that will put the past in its chair."

So far though....not so much.

That was probably the most profound thing that I have ever read since ... Genesis, U know the first book of the Old Testament.

U truly have a gift Ernie and not only are U insightful, I believe U lay claim to have the same musical gift as Prince has...so in a way U must know what U are talking about...absolutely fascinating, please try with all your obvious talent to get old Princey back in line..If not for U then for us lesser mortals..please, pretty please.

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SPOOKYGAS should have said:

That was probably the most realistic thing that I have ever read since being told I'm a dumbass from 4th grade through my adult life.

You truly have a better grasp on reality, Ernest. I believe you constantly call out my stupidity, and lame repetititve bullshit every time I try to get your attention. I really want to just suck your balls. In every way possible, I'm a latent homosexual, not only wrestling with past abuse from my nanny, but also my current status quo of self-hate, which I hide by pouncing on random people on an internet forum; of course you know the internet is the final frontier of all things true and just. I must be a total moron for doing this over and over, but I just don't know better, and I'm too stupid to even try to understand why I have issues with people who have nothing to do with me. I also can't understand why I spend so much energy on hating someone rather than doing something positive. I'm fascinated by humanity, since I am below that.

And as usual, you're to the Nth degree.

ernestsewell said:

SPOOKYGAS should have said:

That was probably the most realistic thing that I have ever read since being told I'm a dumbass from 4th grade through my adult life.

You truly have a better grasp on reality, Ernest. I believe you constantly call out my stupidity, and lame repetititve bullshit every time I try to get your attention. I really want to just suck your balls. In every way possible, I'm a latent homosexual, not only wrestling with past abuse from my nanny, but also my current status quo of self-hate, which I hide by pouncing on random people on an internet forum; of course you know the internet is the final frontier of all things true and just. I must be a total moron for doing this over and over, but I just don't know better, and I'm too stupid to even try to understand why I have issues with people who have nothing to do with me. I also can't understand why I spend so much energy on hating someone rather than doing something positive. I'm fascinated by humanity, since I am below that.

And as usual, you're to the Nth degree.

I give U our dear old Ernie in his true colours.

SPOOKYGAS said:

ernestsewell said:

And as usual, you're to the Nth degree.

I give U our dear old Ernie in his true colours.

I have nothing to hide, little man. I don't hide behind a fake name on the internet, or my hatin' buddies on another forum. You're the coward here. So what are my true colors? Being myself, and calling out bullshit when I see it? Yep, I wear that proudly. Kind of like you wear your hate and venom like it's a badge of honor, when in fact it's crippling and a crutch for you. Go away, find yourself, and get a life.

He's still a musical genius, but his music is no longer worth buying for me anymore since "the rainbow children". I hope I will try another new album of his one day though.

Most, if not virtually all music artists I feel lose their edge after a certain age. Its inevitable. Prince had a great run and I love him for that.

No, he's still a musical genius, IMHO. Besides I didn't know his 'genius' would disappear when he releases music that isn't up to par as his past work Some of you need to get over the fact that his music won't be the same as it used to be. It happens with EVERY artist.

musicology.

Lotusflow3r...only prob was Bria's CD made me sleepy, but his was good

I still love his work and i have been since the 80's

midiscover said:

No, he's still a musical genius, IMHO. Besides I didn't know his 'genius' would disappear when he releases music that isn't up to par as his past work Some of you need to get over the fact that his music won't be the same as it used to be. It happens with EVERY artist.

Interesting statements. One could see that as contradictory though. It's a bit of a dimissive statement to say that fans expect him to be the same as he used to be musically. We know that. We don't expect that. Prince has changed, and 95% of the time, it has been for the better. Hiccups along the way, of course. That happens.

Yes, artists do change, evolve. Hell, the boy evolved greatly from Dirty Mind to 1999. From Purple Rain to Parade. From Lovesexy to , and so on. It seems that when the growing stops, and the scent of new music starts to become a bit too familiar that fans panic a bit.

Prince is the one who set that bar, the par as you noted, so high. He's created his own monster with that. Prince fans take the good, and the bad, and look at it in the big picture. So you have to give credit to hardcore fans like yourself, and myself - and most on here, that we see the same changes you do. We see them differently, too.

Prince needs to be challenged again. He has no rough surface on which to walk barefoot. He has no real inspiration. What is his muse? Bria? We saw that last year. Larry? We saw that in 2001.

I believe he's still a genius with his music. But we've just not seen that genius come out lately. He's on auto-pilot a lot lately. I also believe he still has another great album in him. I just hope I see it before either of us are too old to give a crap.

funkomatic said:

Last great album: Lovesexy

Glimpses of a genius: The Gold Experience and The Rainbow Children

LOVESEXY is the one till my DiEAnDay.

ernestsewell said:

I'm kind of with TheDance on this one. His last great, I mean TRULY great records with inspiration - angst - swagger- machismo - and a wad of ear jism - was The Exodus Has Begun and The Gold Experience.

It's pure hit and miss since then. Why were those his last great albums? Because Prince works best when there's someone challenging him, whether it's a girlfriend, or a record company, or his own conscience. None of that exists now. His music has suffered from it. His muses are gone. He's just bragging these days, and resting on his laurals, and not offering anything truly unique and new. You could maybe make one good 80-minute CD from the material of the past 12 years, from Rave through Lotusflow3r.

Is he still a genius? Sure, but geniuses work from something, too. They see blue, and they make it fire. They see glass, and make it into a skyscraper. Prince is seeing the New World Translation, Larry's ball sack, and all those awards on the walls of Paisley Park he claims to not care about winning in the first place. He's still giving his latest girlfriend her own album, and doing a bunch of nothing. Oh, well he is preaching a lot, as he fancies himself a musical prophet with some great inner knowledge of things that he has no idea about - to the extent that he should be acting like a teacher.

In concert, the man still can't be beat. No doubt about that. I don't want to hear "Little Red Corvette" on record over and over, but live? Sure, bring it on!

Oh, I'll still buy his records, always holding onto that little part in the back of my head that says, "Maybe this will be the next great record that will put the past in its chair."

So far though....not so much.

I think that Ernestwell is bang on here. Genius is as genius does but it's the inspirations that drive the outcome. Prince inspirations aren't angry enough or maybe relevant enough to bring out anything truly great. It appears that if Prince is happy then unfortunately we aint gonna be!!

crazydoctor said:

I like 2000's prince more than 90's prince.

Of course... 80s prince is my fave...

I certainly don't think his musical gifts have been exhausted...

I like that he keeps trying something different musically...

End of the day, it's all personal preference. I'm always surprised when I see threads with people hating a song that I love... or loving a song that I hate.

Co-Sign- I am not sure how any sane person could not see the 2000s Prince as better than the 90s.

Dude went completly bonkers in the 90s and managed to make one of the best comeback ever in the 2000s. In addtion, you cannot say dude is not a genius anymore when you compare his weakest music to the shit that is out now. I also find it interesting that most people cannot or will not see P as semi-retired at this point in his carreer. Dude does not have to make music at all but he does and we should enjoy him before he goes into total retirement because we are not going to see another artist like him for sometime.

1978 – 1982: Massive talent, good recording artist, potential for true greatness

1983 – 1996: Musical genius, the world’s #1 recording artist

1997 – 2003: Past his peak, still one of the best & capable of greatness now and then (Radiohead snatch his #1 Recording Artist title around ‘97)

2004 – 2010: Could no longer feature in a list of greatest current recording artists, unless it was really exhaustive. Totally burnt out as a songwriter, studio skills more or less wasted. Still a live force however.

I know I'm in a tight minority here, but Prince's musical skills have all continued 2 grow, 2 my ears.

'Planet Earth' was bashed over and over here on the Org, but it had some incredible material. "Mr Goodnight" was the only weak track, in my opinion.

'Lotusflow3r' is not only a strong album, with perfect sequence of songs, it shows musical elements Prince never showed previously, on record, or otherwise.

He's gone back and forth, from raw, simple instrumentation, 2 pounding electronic jams, with the guitar right up there in the mix on most occasions. He's used many different melodies with his voice.

I was baffled how Prince fans can't appreciate his current output, until I realized that this is a normal occurrance in any form of Art. An artist's current creations will always be compared 2 his/her past creations. The only thing that's not normal, and happens very rarely in pop culture, is Prince's duration and prolific output. Since, as an artist, he insists on living in the Now, his art reflects this, so the listener must also live in the Now (listen objectively 2 what U hear without any preconception, nor expectation).

Let me just end this by reiterating my first line...

Prince's musical skills R far more developed now then they ever were.

~G

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