ernestsewell said:

johnny2000 said:

I'd put money on if Larry Graham does the Europe dates he'll be playing the same old Sly Stone covers.

How are they covers if he was there when they were written, and he performed on them, and possibly co-wrote them? Is St. Paul doing Family covers? Is Sheila E. doing a cover when she performs "Erotic City"? When The Revolution reunited in 2003 and played "Raspberry Beret" or "America", were they doing covers? Of course not.

If anyone supported their career with Sly (and other's) covers, it was Prince in the mid 90's when he stopped playing his own material.

Also, Larry Graham has plenty of his own material under GCS, and as a solo artist in the late 70's and early 80's, to support a show. OF COURSE he's going to play Sly song. His farkin' thumb and his bass was a huge component in defining Sly's sound (and of course defined GCS' sound).

What new material would you like him to play? His last album was 1999, eleven years ago. By most standards, those are "old" songs now.

In the end, if folks don't wanna hear those songs, don't go.

Again, agreed. For those who don't know -

Larry Grahams solo Euro-tour is finished. It concluded at the Koko in London. I was there in, incidentally, a packed house.

Larry performed about four Sly Stone classics, the rest were GCS songs and covers. The concert lasted well over two and a half hours. Really, Sly was a very small part of the experience. But Larry Graham defined the sound of Sly and the Family Stone and his popularity with GCS exceeded that of Sly Stone's in the same period.

Sly Stone is now F-ed. Larry is the ONLY original band-member who can play those songs as they deserve to be heard.

And as ernestsewell wrote above, Larry's last album was in 1999. People attended his Euro-tour to hear that older, classic material and see him play his bass. He plays the bass F-ing amazingly. As you would expect from someone of his calibre.

I don't care if he worships a goldfish. He is still Larry Graham. And he still has that thumb.

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funkyhead said:

Whatever your thoughts about LG's influence on P you cannot doubt that he is a total bass ledgend. Considering their obvious affection for other and the vast amounts of time they spend jammin' can you believe that only 1 cd has been relesed with P on it. Isn't it time that they released a totally cool funk CD?, anyone else agree or would you prefer the connection to be just spiritual?.

Larry Graham maybe a brilliant bass player but we could do without his influence on prince at this moment of time. I would rather have sonny t on the bass because he was prince's biggest inlfluence, he too is a multi instrumentalist. Prince needs to express himself freely instead of being controlled.

Look at his other major influence sly stone funkadelic parliament miles davis they are/were all damn tooooooo freaky & that's the direction prince needs to go again.

unfortunately prince sees larry as a some kind of prophet.

So Prince is unable to make his own decisions and think for himself?

He is not a grown-man?

Is not of sound mind?

Larry does not perceive himself as a Prophet not does he present himself as one.

If you listen to Prince's bass style you hear more Larry G than Sonny T. And Sonny T derives much of his style from Larry anyway.

Most bass you hear in funk originates with Larry Grahams technique. Even Bootsy Collins says the same freaking thing.

"The Christ" 1997... Oh dear God, that was painful. Hearing Larry singing, wtf.. to ruin "The Cross" like that.....

I am a non-religious person myself, and besides religion, I could name a lot of reasons why to hate Larry G. The New Power Pak for instance. Prince/ Larry/ Chaka. Pseudo music. Only a handful of good songs on those 3 albums. I was soooo disappointed with this release.

It all went bad for Prince when he met Larry, IMO.

I was like this.. ....reading the "Notorious" article in the fall of 1999.

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maybe Prince is aware that his fans may not react well if he released a whole album of him and his surrogate father.

he could call the album "The Father, The Son and the Holy G-Host"

PRINCE & LARRY G COLLABORATIONS ON RECORD:

THE NPG - NEWPOWER SOUL (1998)

- Push It Up (additional vocals)
- Come On (Remix) (additional vocals)

CHAKA KHAN - COME 2 MY HOUSE (1998)

- Betcha Eye (written/produced by Prince, bass by Larry)
- Democrazy (written/produced by Prince, additional vocals by Larry)
- Eye Remember U (Prince and Larry co-writers)
- Hair (written & vocals by Larry, produced by Prince)

GRAHAM CENTRAL STATION - GCS 2000 (1998)

- Entire Larry Graham album co-written/produced with Prince!

PRINCE - BEAUTIFUL STRANGE (VHS) (1998)

- featuring live performance of "Free", with Larry as co-frontman of the NPG

PRINCE - RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC (1999)

- Everyday Is A Winding Road (additional vocals)

PRINCE - 1999 THE NEW MASTER (1999)

- 1999 The New Master (various mixes) (additional vocals)

PRINCE - RAVE UN2 THE YEAR 2000 (DVD) (2000)

- featuring Larry as co-frontman of the NPG

PRINCE - THE RAINBOW CHILDREN (2001)

- The Work (bass)

- Last December (bass)

PRINCE - IT AIN'T OVER! (2002)

- Joy In Repetition (bass)

PRINCE - THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE (2004)

- Peace (bass and additional vocals)

- The Daisy Chain (bass and additional vocals)

JIMI HENDRIX TRIBUTE - POWER OF SOUL (2004)

- Purple House (produced by Prince & Larry)

Probably a heap more that I've either forgotten, or that went uncredited. I swear I hear a big ol' Larry "aah" at the beginning of "Glass Cutter" also...

(pics, and lots of info from princevault.com)

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Uh oh. Prince is going through another old skool phase.

LG - great bass player, lousy solo artist. He has been dragging prince down for 13 years now.

Oh wait, last time they put something out, didn't we get larry singing on "The Christ"? Everytime it comes on I say "oh christ".

toejam said:

PRINCE & LARRY G COLLABORATIONS ON RECORD:

THE NPG - NEWPOWER SOUL (1998)

- Push It Up (additional vocals)
- Come On (Remix) (additional vocals)

CHAKA KHAN - COME 2 MY HOUSE (1998)

- Betcha Eye (written/produced by Prince, bass by Larry)
- Democrazy (written/produced by Prince, additional vocals by Larry)
- Eye Remember U (Prince and Larry co-writers)
- Hair (written & vocals by Larry, produced by Prince)

GRAHAM CENTRAL STATION - GCS 2000 (1998)

- Entire Larry Graham album co-written/produced with Prince!

PRINCE - BEAUTIFUL STRANGE (VHS) (1998)

- featuring live performance of "Free", with Larry as co-frontman of the NPG

PRINCE - RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC (1999)

- Everyday Is A Winding Road (additional vocals)

PRINCE - 1999 THE NEW MASTER (1999)

- 1999 The New Master (various mixes) (additional vocals)

PRINCE - RAVE UN2 THE YEAR 2000 (DVD) (2000)

- featuring Larry as co-frontman of the NPG

PRINCE - THE RAINBOW CHILDREN (2001)

- The Work (bass)

- Last December (bass)

PRINCE - IT AIN'T OVER! (2002)

- Joy In Repetition (bass)

PRINCE - THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE (2004)

- Peace (bass and additional vocals)

- The Daisy Chain (bass and additional vocals)

JIMI HENDRIX TRIBUTE - POWER OF SOUL (2004)

- Purple House (produced by Prince & Larry)

Probably a heap more that I've either forgotten, or that went uncredited. I swear I hear a big ol' Larry "aah" at the beginning of "Glass Cutter" also...

(pics, and lots of info from princevault.com)

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Between 2004-2010, they have done nothing (released) together. Larry did not even appear during Prince's '21 Nights in London'.

Larry is there because Prince asks him to be. Simple as.

SquirrelMeat said:

Uh oh. Prince is going through another old skool phase.

LG - great bass player, lousy solo artist. He has been dragging prince down for 13 years now.

Oh wait, last time they put something out, didn't we get larry singing on "The Christ"? Everytime it comes on I say "oh christ".

13 years? No he hasn't. From 2004 - present date they have done nothing released together. Live guest spots have been spartan.

Larry did not even perform during Prince's '21 Nights in London'. Larry did not move with Prince to LA. He remained in MPLS. Larry does not appear on 'NEWS', 'Musicology', '3121', 'Planet Earth', 'Indigo Nights', 'MPLSound', 'Lotusflow3r'. As far as I'm aware he is not featured on 'Purple & Gold', 'Cause & Effect', 'Hot Summer' or 'F.U.N.K'. So, with all the negative criticism about those songs here, who are some of you going to blame for them?

Larry is best friends with Eddie Murphy. Is Eddie murphy a Jehovah's Witness? I think not.

Dough E. Fresh is a scientologist and was all over Prince's music and concerts 97-99. Did Prince become a Scientologist? No. Ergo, it was Prince's choice. One he made freely. To blame one man is insane.

Prince was guest-appearing at LARRY's GCS show. Larry was not playing at Prince's. The audience should have been there for Larry not vice-versa.

Larry is incredible as a solo Artist when he plays alone and has his own set-list. For some reason, when Prince performs with him it is the same old tunes.

funkyhead said:

Whatever your thoughts about LG's influence on P you cannot doubt that he is a total bass ledgend. Considering their obvious affection for other and the vast amounts of time they spend jammin' can you believe that only 1 cd has been relesed with P on it. Isn't it time that they released a totally cool funk CD?, anyone else agree or would you prefer the connection to be just spiritual?.

Look, they released ONE album, Larry's first in years. Beforehand, Larry claimed to have written dozens of songs. And when it came out, what was on it? COVERS. OF HIS OWN SONGS.

And the last thing this world needs is watered down covers of songs that were already pretty damn perfect, or covers of songs that were pretty damn awful already (that ballad, for instance).

BartVanHemelen said:

funkyhead said:

Whatever your thoughts about LG's influence on P you cannot doubt that he is a total bass ledgend. Considering their obvious affection for other and the vast amounts of time they spend jammin' can you believe that only 1 cd has been relesed with P on it. Isn't it time that they released a totally cool funk CD?, anyone else agree or would you prefer the connection to be just spiritual?.

Look, they released ONE album, Larry's first in years. Beforehand, Larry claimed to have written dozens of songs. And when it came out, what was on it? COVERS. OF HIS OWN SONGS.

And the last thing this world needs is watered down covers of songs that were already pretty damn perfect, or covers of songs that were pretty damn awful already (that ballad, for instance).

ah but that was years ago. Agreed about the horrendous covers of his own songs but you would hope that after all this time together that 2 funk ledgends can come up with say just 9 funky, non religious tracks!. Then again if the last 3 P trax were anything to go by I may be being too optimistic!

Obviously Larry isn't much interested in recording studio albums anymore...

aintnoboutadoubtit said:

13 years? No he hasn't. From 2004 - present date they have done nothing released together. Live guest spots have been spartan.

Larry did not even perform during Prince's '21 Nights in London'. Larry did not move with Prince to LA. He remained in MPLS. Larry does not appear on 'NEWS', 'Musicology', '3121', 'Planet Earth', 'Indigo Nights', 'MPLSound', 'Lotusflow3r'. As far as I'm aware he is not featured on 'Purple & Gold', 'Cause & Effect', 'Hot Summer' or 'F.U.N.K'. So, with all the negative criticism about those songs here, who are some of you going to blame for them?

Larry is best friends with Eddie Murphy. Is Eddie murphy a Jehovah's Witness? I think not.

Dough E. Fresh is a scientologist and was all over Prince's music and concerts 97-99. Did Prince become a Scientologist? No. Ergo, it was Prince's choice. One he made freely. To blame one man is insane.

Prince was guest-appearing at LARRY's GCS show. Larry was not playing at Prince's. The audience should have been there for Larry not vice-versa.

Larry is incredible as a solo Artist when he plays alone and has his own set-list. For some reason, when Prince performs with him it is the same old tunes.

OMG your post is HYSTERICAL!!! hahahahaha

Okay so let's cut this shit up:

Larry entered Prince's life around 1997-ish. Prince already started to act differently. By 2001, 9 years ago, he was editing his music because of what Graham said. What did Graham say? Well, Prince said in an interview that "Larry Graham said he would come to my shows, but he and his family would leave when I started cussing too music." Why is Graham so important to Prince, that Prince would change the way he approaches his entire career? They recorded together in 1998, and 1999, and appeared in public interviews and concerts together (along with Chaka Khan), promoting all three of their new albums. It doesn't matter if they've released anything together since 1999. Larry's presence is well known in Prince's life at this point, and the "dragging down" is a direct reference to the fact that Prince is now believing in chemical trails, "stauros", changing the lyrics of his songs (songs he once called his children), and preaches to everyone about their place in the world, and says no matter what you believe, what he says is "the truth". By the way, Larry has a home in Minneapolis. Hmmmm!

You calling out Eddie Murphy at Larry's best friend is hysterical. Why? Because you have no idea who anyone's best friend is here. Sinbad is also really close with Graham and his band, and Graham always took part in a musical festival that Sinbad was part of in the Bay area. Sinbad was a huge cheerleader for GCS during the years that GCS wasn't getting any press, and people had really given up on even worry about GCS, etc. Sinbad was the one who was pulling them into the spotlight on those festivals and promoting them and reminding folks who they are, and what they've accomplished in the past (a la Sly, GCS, solo). LG and Sinbad both practically fawned over each other in public interviews when the other is mentioned.

It was Prince who told Larry, "I'll be home soon, don't worry" just a few months ago on national TV as he was being interviewed by Tavis Smiley, meaning he was on his way back to Minneapolis soon. I don't remember hearing Eddie Murphy say that. Is Prince Larry's best friend? Who knows, but it might be safe to say that Larry is "little brother's" best friend. And you don't know Eddie Murphy's personal religious convictions either.

Dough E Fresh? Is that the Pillsbury Dough Boy's cousin or something? W&L are lesbians, but Prince didnt' change to being a queer either, so your argument about Scientology is pointless. We DO blame Larry for Prince's JW conversion and rightly so. He's the one who engaged Prince is bible discussions, and "showed him the light", as it were. Prince himself has said that he believed in God, and Jesus, etc before (remember, he was raised Seventh Day Adventist - another oddball realm of Christianity). Prince himself said Larry "answered questions he had" and put things in perspective. It wasn't Andre's mother, it wasn't his own mother. It was one man - Larry Graham. Prince said that in interviews with Sinbad, Larry King, and in endless magazine interviews.

Who cares who the audience was where for. Pointless note. Also, nonsense about Larry's setlist. Larry's last song of the set was "Thank You". That choice had nothing to do with Prince popping on stage at the end to play and sing a little bit. So Larry playing the old stuff just because Prince is on stage. Bullshit. "Thank You" is a perfect ending song to a show, and why not pop on stage for the last number? What "new shit" would you like Larry to perform? Hmmm? Perhaps the chart topping "Free"? Or how about the R&B super smash hit "U Move Me"? Oh wait, wait...I know. You wanna hear "Utopia" or "Groove On", right?

ernestsewell said:

bashraka said:

It could be Larry Graham because of his duties and responsiblities as an elder in the Jehovahs Witness faith does not allow him to tour that much thus not releasing an album in 11 years. Plus as much as Prince admires LG, Prince is still a control freak and might feel uncomfortable telling Larry what to play or teaching him parts for Prince's music. Remember what Alan Leeds said about what Prince's definition of a producer is? Thus the reluctancy to collaboratate with Miles Davis, Lenny Kravitz and even his spiritual mentor.

I don't mean to be rude, but your post is totally ridiculous. YOU aren't. Your post is, though.

Frist: Larry doesn't have some "duty and responsibility" to the JW's. Where did you hear that he's an elder and has some high position in the church? MJ was a JW, and it didn't stop him from doing what he wanted. How is Graham different. Do you really think his church is dictating what he can do to make a living???? REALLY? Don't overthink it. It's silly.

LG can release whatever he wants WHEN he wants. Prince doesn't control that, nor does the church. LG can put together any album, and get it distrbuted just like Prince, or a ton of other independent artists, have done. Ani Defranco has been putting out her own shit on her own for ages, and never let her lesbianism tell her how to do it. (See how silly that sounded? Get it?)

Isn't Ani DiFranco married? To a man?! How 'bout a little research before you decide to out people.

jackmitz said:

ernestsewell said:

I don't mean to be rude, but your post is totally ridiculous. YOU aren't. Your post is, though.

Frist: Larry doesn't have some "duty and responsibility" to the JW's. Where did you hear that he's an elder and has some high position in the church? MJ was a JW, and it didn't stop him from doing what he wanted. How is Graham different. Do you really think his church is dictating what he can do to make a living???? REALLY? Don't overthink it. It's silly.

LG can release whatever he wants WHEN he wants. Prince doesn't control that, nor does the church. LG can put together any album, and get it distrbuted just like Prince, or a ton of other independent artists, have done. Ani Defranco has been putting out her own shit on her own for ages, and never let her lesbianism tell her how to do it. (See how silly that sounded? Get it?)

Isn't Ani DiFranco married? To a man?! How 'bout a little research before you decide to out people.

the people in Ani’s life play an even bigger part – her partner and co-producer Mike Napolitano (Joseph Arthur, The Twilight Singers, Squirrel Nut Zippers) and her one-year-old daughter Petah Lucia (gurgling, infectious laughter, wide-eyed innocence). Love, family and home are three of the album’s most prominent muses, resulting in a dozen songs that exude warmth and renewed vigor.

http://www.righteousbabe.com/ani/bio.asp

(It doesn't confirm she's Lesbian but, it does say "her partner" meaning boyfriend, perhaps).

PurpleLove7 said:

jackmitz said:

Isn't Ani DiFranco married? To a man?! How 'bout a little research before you decide to out people.

the people in Ani’s life play an even bigger part – her partner and co-producer Mike Napolitano (Joseph Arthur, The Twilight Singers, Squirrel Nut Zippers) and her one-year-old daughter Petah Lucia (gurgling, infectious laughter, wide-eyed innocence). Love, family and home are three of the album’s most prominent muses, resulting in a dozen songs that exude warmth and renewed vigor.

http://www.righteousbabe.com/ani/bio.asp

(It doesn't confirm she's Lesbian but, it does say "her partner" meaning boyfriend, perhaps).

http://www.afterellen.com...ranco.html

Lemme quote:

Despite being very clear about her bisexuality, DiFranco nonetheless caused a stir among her admirers when she married her sound engineer, Andrew Gilchrist, in 1998. The couple has since separated, but this demonstration of DiFranco’s fluid sexual orientation alienated some lesbian fans.

Does that make it clear?

What needs clarification?! She married Mike Napolitano, who produced her "Evolve" album. No mystery here.

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I love when people bring this up as a way to prove that Larry "destroyed" Prince. Or "brainwashed" him.

I see you didn't read in that article about how angry Prince was, and how he'd fire people in his staff just for looking him in the eye. And how once Larry came into the picture, all that stopped.

Your ignorance is astounding.

Prince was sinking and pretty much at his lowest point. Both professionally and personally, he was in shambles.

But, I guess all that doesn't matter, because Prince doesn't say "bullshit" in concert anymore or hump the stage like he did in his 20's.

Obviously, it doesn't matter to you if Prince is content in his life. You just want him to go on stage and entertain you the way you want him to. Who gives a fuck if he's happy???

It seems that the reason why you're upset at Prince for letting Larry supposedly "control" him is because you want to be the one who controls him.

maybe Prince sees Larry as a father figure, and he's merely been seeking his approval.

BartVanHemelen said:

PurpleLove7 said:

http://www.afterellen.com...ranco.html

Lemme quote:

Despite being very clear about her bisexuality, DiFranco nonetheless caused a stir among her admirers when she married her sound engineer, Andrew Gilchrist, in 1998. The couple has since separated, but this demonstration of DiFranco’s fluid sexual orientation alienated some lesbian fans.

Does that make it clear?

Good lookin' out BVH

robinhood said:

maybe Prince sees Larry as a father figure, and he's merely been seeking his approval.

It seems evident that LG has been that "father figure" since before P's father passed away. I get the impression that P's father was more like a big brother and LG was that father figure, right and perhaps that "big brother" too.

Anywho ...

PurpleLove7 said:

robinhood said:

maybe Prince sees Larry as a father figure, and he's merely been seeking his approval.

It seems evident that LG has been that "father figure" since before P's father passed away. I get the impression that P's father was more like a big brother and LG was that father figure, right and perhaps that "big brother" too.

Anywho ...

mm, from that perspective it makes sense why he'd change his lyrics just because Larry walked out on a show, and why he'd become a JW just because Larry gave him some solid religious advice, and why he'd dress differently than usual to play on stage at one of Larry's gigs (never seen him do that for anyone else before).

seems all these changes he's made are less about the changes themselves, and more about the symbolism of a someone seeking approval and copying the person whose approval they seek.

he's admired and respected Larry since forever, and considering he's childlike at heart, it makes sense wy he'd want Larry's respect, even though he has no need to go after it.

it'd be great if they recorded something together like "I Get High On You" or whatever else, then went their separate ways. surely Larry is smart enough to realize it'd be better for Prince to stand on his own two feet, than relying on Larry for whatever 'support' and 'approval' Prince thinks he's giving him. he's 52 after all. not 12.

TheVoid said:

Because apparently, there is a God!!!!

GOD IS EVERYWHERE,

between GOD and us are 1000000X FOGS,

to find and see find him requires very, very HARD WORK.

LORILA said:

between GOD and us are 1000000X FOGS,

to find and see find him requires very, very HARD WORK.

That's a lie. It's exactly the opposite of what Jesus said.

Then Jesus said, "Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you. Let me teach you, because I am humble and gentle, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke fits perfectly, and the burden I give you is light".

thought u were talking abou gaga

ernestsewell said:

I'm watching a video on YouTube of Prince and LG at BB King's the other night in NYC. LORDY! Prince is lookin' fly, and they're playing "Thank You". Incredible.

Oh Ernest, you know it will be off by now, since you let the cat out of the bag!

txlaw said:

ernestsewell said:

I'm watching a video on YouTube of Prince and LG at BB King's the other night in NYC. LORDY! Prince is lookin' fly, and they're playing "Thank You". Incredible.

Oh Ernest, you know it will be off by now, since you let the cat out of the bag!

It's still up there.

Don't give these dopes any ideas.

ernestsewell said:

txlaw said:

Oh Ernest, you know it will be off by now, since you let the cat out of the bag!

It's still up there.

come on, just another publicity stunt like the EW film crew 'catching' P and Bria last year. Great to see him looking fly and sounding great but it is so obvious that this is a crap attempt to drum up some ticket sales!.