ThreadBare said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I was only 53, at the time ...

Fixed it for ya...

Good is good, whether it's 1980 or 2010. I was 9 years old loving Soft and Wet.

And if what's played on the radio these days is what's good to the younger folk, I'll take being decrepit.

vitriol said:

Especially during the 2000-2010 period virtually ALL the music out there is utter crap.

So it's quite logical that the 'musically uneducated youngsters' (who were raised in a musical desert, not their fault) can appreciate Prince's latest output because, lame as it is, the rest is so bad that it's even worse.

Had those youngsters lived the days when A LOT of people were doing great music they'd by no means approve Prince's current 'state of affairs'.

[Edited 6/16/10 5:27am]

Haha, oh man I love out of touch old people who make blanket statements about music today. There's still tons of great music being made, it's just not being played on the radio.

tricky99 said:

I think what everyone needs to come to terms with is that prince is getting old. He will never be young and innovative again. And those of us u have been on the journey with him are never going to hear his music with fresh virgin ears again. That must be kept in mind when evaluating his music.

Some of the fans seem to hold Prince in contempt for simply being human and not some supernatural being who will forever produce mind-blowing innovative music. U must let go of your expectations and just enjoy the ride. If u no longer enjoy the ride its not Prince's fault and its not your fault. it is just the nature of things.

What is your fault is if you use your disapointment to attack and browbeat Prince. And take the opportunity of your discontent to belittle his still apparent creativity.

I have to assume that Prince is happy with the music he produces. I have no desire to vent vitiriol at him because I am unhappy with it. The good-hearted find that which they appreciate and praise it. The "evil" hearted find that which they dispise and try to destroy it (even when they claim they love).

We see that kind of mentality in people who harm those they claimed to love (i.e wife-beaters, stalkers) because of some disapointment. Prince famously asked us about "positivity". For many his plea fell on deaf ears.

Someone earlier in this thread said there is something missing in young Prince without the Prince of now and vis versa. This is very true. We are given the oppurtunity to see Prince age as an artist. So many of the talented have died young or burned out. We only have to look at MJ to see this.

Some one tell me who out there could have produced a 3 CD set of new-songs covering many genres 30 years into a career in which they have spit out yearly cds (with sometimes multiple cds) other then prince? That is rare air we are breathing! So many of you are focused on what you don't have that you miss the genunine rare flower in your midst.

Its sad.

Jamzone333 said:

nursev said:

What a terrible fucking thead So now we are too old to know quality music and were fixated on his looks-pure bullshit! When Prince gives us quality music trust me his long time fans know it and when he gives us trash we know that too. As for being fixated on his looks, Prince has made his appearance a central part of his persona over the years-he's a master at it and his fans appreciate that he still gives a fuck about that!

I also think it's fucked up that you have the balls to call those of us who have been there from the beginning old-it's a blessing to have lived to see it all unfold. Hopefully you will be so lucky.

I couldn't have said it better myself! Nursev, thank you!!!!!

I have listened to Prince since I was a teenage in the 70s. I am not fixated on his hair etc, however, I can also understand where Prince is at musically.

No, "Hot Summer" may not set the world on fire, but it is still reminscent of another time that us "old decrepit loyals" as you have called us understand and know about. We remember and still enjoy music when it was just good clean fun. When it was about the music and not the banal crap that you hear daily on local radio. You newbie Prince listeners have no right to criticise us. I do not hunger for the Prince of the 80s. I do not kiss Prince's ass when he screws up. I'm tired of these types of threads that compare the Prince lovers who are older to the younger group. We have been and will continue to be lovers of REAL music! Music is ageless. Music keeps us young. Please catch, grab or borrower a clue! Because you are clueless to believe that we are stuck in the past in a purple time warp.

to both nursev and Jamzone333.

I may be older than....no, wait! I am older than quite a few here. But I'm NOT too old to know quality music. Prince has given quality music over his long career and then maybe not so quality music. There hasn't been anything that I listened to of his output that I do not like at all. Sure, I have favorites...Joy In Repetition, One Night Alone, Shhh, The War, and quite a few others. Then there are some that are not quite so much my favorites with Purple and Gold being one of them.

I'm with nursev when she said that "Prince has made his appearance a central part of his persona over the years". He has had different looks for different "eras". I especially like his look during Graffiti Bridge time and ONA. When I saw "Purple Rain", I was....I wouldn't say shocked but liked the fact that he was different. Not of the norm. I actually like different.

Jamzone333 is right in saying that " "Hot Summer" may not set the world on fire, but it is still reminiscent of another time....". I like Hot Summer because it's a nice poppy tune. I was boppin' my head and tapping my foot on the first listen just like the way Little Red Corvette or Raspberry Beret did for me when I first heard them.

Yes, music is ageless. Recently, a friend of mine posted on facebook that she was born too late. This was after she had been listening to the Motown music stars. I told her, "No you weren't. Music is timeless".

Music changes. Prince's music has changed through the years and I like that. He has covered more genres of music than anyone else I have listened to. When I listen to The Human Body...to me it has a techno feel to it. In Orgasm...the guitar sounds orgasmic (I know, that's not a genre. Oh darn, now I have to play that album ). In 5 Women...I hear blues.

There is just SO much that Prince has done that I am totally in awe of it all. I was nearly overwhelmed by all the music of his that I was listening to, so I took a break.

After having not heard his music for about 4 years because I had to listen to what my ex-husband listened to and then about another 8 years on top of that, I "re-discovered his music". I have enjoyed every minute of listening to whatever my ears could hold.

I'm not "stuck in the past in a purple time warp" either. Prince has moved on and I have moved on right along with him. Sure, I love what he did in the 80's. But the 80's have come and gone. I'm not stuck there. Why should anyone else be? I know lots of people have said that the 80's was when he had his best music and that he's putting out lots of crap recently. Each song has its own merits musically and lyrically.

Ok, I think I've gone on long enough for now.

Love your posts here nursev and Jamzone33. I agree with both of you.

Thanks.

rubymoon53

[Edited 6/18/10 1:53am]

nursev said:

xlr8r said:

You sounding real old and crochety right nah lol

Who's next?

nursey

This thread must be right. I reached 40 the other day. All of a sudden, all new music sounded shit. Oh I wish for the 80's!

Oh wait, the charts sound just like the 80's at the moment!? I'm so confused.

I must be having my first senior moment.

SquirrelMeat said:

This thread must be right. I reached 40 the other day. All of a sudden, all new music sounded shit. Oh I wish for the 80's!

Oh wait, the charts sound just like the 80's at the moment!? I'm so confused.

I must be having my first senior moment.

Trust me, you will have more of them as time goes on.

SquirrelMeat said:

This thread must be right. I reached 40 the other day. All of a sudden, all new music sounded shit. Oh I wish for the 80's!

Oh wait, the charts sound just like the 80's at the moment!? I'm so confused.

I must be having my first senior moment.

Yeah you are. If you think ANYTHING on the charts today, sounds just like the '80's.

Get yourself a tall glass of ice water...have a seat...and it WILL pass...TRUST ME!

violetblues said:

People forget that in his prime, his work was almost that of an avant-guard pop funk rock underground artist. If you were listening to Dirty Mind or Controversy it wasn't on a "pop" radio station. Radio was just as bad then as it is now, Neil Diamond and Kenny Rogers were the big pop radio stars, not Prince, not until after Purple Rain.

If you dug Prince back in the day, it was because you sought out music from outside of the mainstream pop bubble.

Now it seems Prince is more willing to blow pop bubbles than at any time in his career. So no, i think the argument is backwards, the old time Prince fans long for the originality, and the daring of something new, the younger fans like the safe unchallenging silly pop sounds.

Well, that was pop radio but hell no, radio was never as horrible as it is now. Prince wasn't something underground back then either. He was all over mainstream R&B radio, not pop radio, and mainstream R&B radio back then was full of badass hard ass artists like Rick James, The Barkays, Con Funk Shun, Cameo, Roger and Zapp, Fatback, Michael Henderson, The Gap Band, etc. and Prince was right there played inbetween them on a regular basis.

Turn on mainstream R&B radio nowadays and all you will hear is adult contemporary and shit hop that never gets past an opera tempo. Radio is far from what it used to be. It was full of jams back then. There's absolutely no jams on it these days.

robinhood said:

"simplicity is the ultimate sophistication"- leonardo davinci

i dont think our age has much to do with our perspective of his music, probably more to do with what he's released in the past, and us making unnecessary comparisons.

when we've been conditioned to Prince's more inventive, detailed and 'intelligently designed' music, a song like hot summer seems comparatively, way under par.

not because it's a bad song, but because it's so simple. i remember tracks like rasberry beret, so simple. for me, the simple stuff is some of his best work.

if rasberry beret were released today, how many people would think it to be a lower standard than the rest of his catalog? would that be a fair comparison to make?

I don't think Raspberry Beret or Take Me With U are simple songs. Let me add Manic Monday as well as Next Time Wipe the Lipstick Off Your Collar

These songs all had something that felt like background information, there was a passion to it that just set them apart. I have not heard anything today that can even match these songs. Not saying there are not any good songs out there. Just that what we might call his 'easiest work then' is at the top of the chain today

xlr8r said:

scandalousalan said:

but I personally think that a wave of younger generation may be able to embrace his music more than the Decrepit loyals that swarm these forums. Particularly if prince continues to release breezy pop tunes like hot summer. Just my 2 cents

Listen. Most older Prince fans who do not go online have no problem with any of Princes output. Its the everyday online folks who have issues with his output to the point of negzealotry (I just made that word up lol).

.

[Edited 6/16/10 9:36am]

LOVE the new word...negzealtory:thumbsup:

seriously people all artists go through phazes, I sing, and write lyrics,also poetry. there are times when the things I write a utter junk. Yeah, I said that about my own work. It just happens. I've been a fan ever since I worked in a record store back in 77-82. I loved his music than and I love it now. this hot summer song I haven't heard, and I guess I won't. Everyone's mind changes! Some for the good,and some well you know they are stuck in the twilight zone!

seriously people all artists go through phazes, I sing, and write lyrics,also poetry. there are times when the things I write are utter junk. Yeah, I said that about my own work. It just happens. I've been a fan ever since I worked in a record store back in 77-82. I loved his music than and I love it now. This hot summer song I haven't heard, and I guess I won't. Everyone's mind changes! Some for the good,and some well you know they are stuck in the twilight zone!

vainandy said:

violetblues said:

People forget that in his prime, his work was almost that of an avant-guard pop funk rock underground artist. If you were listening to Dirty Mind or Controversy it wasn't on a "pop" radio station. Radio was just as bad then as it is now, Neil Diamond and Kenny Rogers were the big pop radio stars, not Prince, not until after Purple Rain.

If you dug Prince back in the day, it was because you sought out music from outside of the mainstream pop bubble.

Now it seems Prince is more willing to blow pop bubbles than at any time in his career. So no, i think the argument is backwards, the old time Prince fans long for the originality, and the daring of something new, the younger fans like the safe unchallenging silly pop sounds.

Well, that was pop radio but hell no, radio was never as horrible as it is now. Prince wasn't something underground back then either. He was all over mainstream R&B radio, not pop radio, and mainstream R&B radio back then was full of badass hard ass artists like Rick James, The Barkays, Con Funk Shun, Cameo, Roger and Zapp, Fatback, Michael Henderson, The Gap Band, etc. and Prince was right there played inbetween them on a regular basis.

Turn on mainstream R&B radio nowadays and all you will hear is adult contemporary and shit hop that never gets past an opera tempo. Radio is far from what it used to be. It was full of jams back then. There's absolutely no jams on it these days.

No Andy, you were lucky there was a good R&B station you could listen to growing up, not every city had one and certainly not in my home town. Here in southern California we had to travel to LA or San Diego or the Inland Empire to get a decent radio station. We had two pop stations and an easy listening station that played violin and orchestral versions of Beatles and 40's big band tunes.

Remember, even MTV did not want black artists on their rotation until the MJ and Prince era. Mainstream radio was just as bad in many ways as it i today. The only thing that made it a tad better was that the music that was played then was of a much broader white bread variety. From popish country and rock to disco. Now each station fits a very strict and specific sound.

Here growing up, before the internet the only way we would get the latest Barkays, and Con Funk Shun was in mix tapes brought in from friends and family from the big cities in a manner like it was smuggled in from a great unknown world where music was much much better. We cherished those mixtapes and passed them around like prison camp cigarettes.

I will agree that today's R&B is the worst of any type of music ever made, a very old fashioned calculated, dumbed down un-original sound designed for the lowest common denominator. Sure it's produced with modern equipment but only because that's the cheapest way to do it. That is the sound that Prince tried to ape in the 90's

[Edited 6/19/10 20:31pm]

rubymoon53 said:

Jamzone333 said:

I couldn't have said it better myself! Nursev, thank you!!!!!

I have listened to Prince since I was a teenage in the 70s. I am not fixated on his hair etc, however, I can also understand where Prince is at musically.

No, "Hot Summer" may not set the world on fire, but it is still reminscent of another time that us "old decrepit loyals" as you have called us understand and know about. We remember and still enjoy music when it was just good clean fun. When it was about the music and not the banal crap that you hear daily on local radio. You newbie Prince listeners have no right to criticise us. I do not hunger for the Prince of the 80s. I do not kiss Prince's ass when he screws up. I'm tired of these types of threads that compare the Prince lovers who are older to the younger group. We have been and will continue to be lovers of REAL music! Music is ageless. Music keeps us young. Please catch, grab or borrower a clue! Because you are clueless to believe that we are stuck in the past in a purple time warp.

to both nursev and Jamzone333.

I may be older than....no, wait! I am older than quite a few here. But I'm NOT too old to know quality music. Prince has given quality music over his long career and then maybe not so quality music. There hasn't been anything that I listened to of his output that I do not like at all. Sure, I have favorites...Joy In Repetition, One Night Alone, Shhh, The War, and quite a few others. Then there are some that are not quite so much my favorites with Purple and Gold being one of them.

I'm with nursev when she said that "Prince has made his appearance a central part of his persona over the years". He has had different looks for different "eras". I especially like his look during Graffiti Bridge time and ONA. When I saw "Purple Rain", I was....I wouldn't say shocked but liked the fact that he was different. Not of the norm. I actually like different.

Jamzone333 is right in saying that " "Hot Summer" may not set the world on fire, but it is still reminiscent of another time....". I like Hot Summer because it's a nice poppy tune. I was boppin' my head and tapping my foot on the first listen just like the way Little Red Corvette or Raspberry Beret did for me when I first heard them.

Yes, music is ageless. Recently, a friend of mine posted on facebook that she was born too late. This was after she had been listening to the Motown music stars. I told her, "No you weren't. Music is timeless".

Music changes. Prince's music has changed through the years and I like that. He has covered more genres of music than anyone else I have listened to. When I listen to The Human Body...to me it has a techno feel to it. In Orgasm...the guitar sounds orgasmic (I know, that's not a genre. Oh darn, now I have to play that album ). In 5 Women...I hear blues.

There is just SO much that Prince has done that I am totally in awe of it all. I was nearly overwhelmed by all the music of his that I was listening to, so I took a break.

After having not heard his music for about 4 years because I had to listen to what my ex-husband listened to and then about another 8 years on top of that, I "re-discovered his music". I have enjoyed every minute of listening to whatever my ears could hold.

I'm not "stuck in the past in a purple time warp" either. Prince has moved on and I have moved on right along with him. Sure, I love what he did in the 80's. But the 80's have come and gone. I'm not stuck there. Why should anyone else be? I know lots of people have said that the 80's was when he had his best music and that he's putting out lots of crap recently. Each song has its own merits musically and lyrically.

Ok, I think I've gone on long enough for now.

Love your posts here nursev and Jamzone33. I agree with both of you.

Thanks.

rubymoon53

[Edited 6/18/10 1:53am]

Much love, RubyMoon53!!!!

PicklesMcMillan said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

My bad! I've been drinking!

If that is what you really think...than it is what it is...and I can respect that!

Thank you for your input. It's given me something to think about and I appreciate that.

However, when my old(er) happy ass has sobered up...and I'm on one of my rants about his current output being utter garbage...don't take it personally!

I just happen to KNOW that Prince IS capable of so much better and there is not enough alcohol in existence...nor suspension of belief...that will make ME think otherwise!

If I could just play with the old Prince that I like...in the ways that I like...without reprimand...I wouldn't have a single thing to say at all about the new Prince that you like!

hell if you dont like it........ well shit! you just dont like it and i understand that and im not gonna force ya either

it doesnt matter to me

heck, im not the one trying to sell records

Hatrina deep down your not really a hater , you just believe in tough love

I knew you were gonna be a pistol the first night you posted! God love you Pickles; you're a keeper.

Jamzone333 said:

nursev said:

What a terrible fucking thead So now we are too old to know quality music and were fixated on his looks-pure bullshit! When Prince gives us quality music trust me his long time fans know it and when he gives us trash we know that too. As for being fixated on his looks, Prince has made his appearance a central part of his persona over the years-he's a master at it and his fans appreciate that he still gives a fuck about that!

I also think it's fucked up that you have the balls to call those of us who have been there from the beginning old-it's a blessing to have lived to see it all unfold. Hopefully you will be so lucky.

I couldn't have said it better myself! Nursev, thank you!!!!!

I have listened to Prince since I was a teenage in the 70s. I am not fixated on his hair etc, however, I can also understand where Prince is at musically.

No, "Hot Summer" may not set the world on fire, but it is still reminscent of another time that us "old decrepit loyals" as you have called us understand and know about. We remember and still enjoy music when it was just good clean fun. When it was about the music and not the banal crap that you hear daily on local radio. You newbie Prince listeners have no right to criticise us. I do not hunger for the Prince of the 80s. I do not kiss Prince's ass when he screws up. I'm tired of these types of threads that compare the Prince lovers who are older to the younger group. We have been and will continue to be lovers of REAL music! Music is ageless. Music keeps us young. Please catch, grab or borrower a clue! Because you are clueless to believe that we are stuck in the past in a purple time warp.

V...you make my sun shine!

dreamshaman32 said:

nursev said:

I'm not finished

I mean wasn't the OP like 2 yrs old when Prince was at his best in 84? I and so many others were blessed to be old enough to witness the magic when it happened I think it's so disrespectful to basically shit on our experiences Folks that experienced Prince in the late 70's, 80's and early 90's saw the genius that is truly Prince. I am 38 dammitt and I am still a Prince fan which is more than I can say for these artist and their fans today After 2 cd's them bitches are history! I think young Prince would've told you to to kiss his sexy motherfucking ass How's that for young?

Listen, my youngest daughter is a mama now and only now does she understand a lot of shit i said to her and her brother growing up. It's like that, the younger people on this thread have to grow a little and see something they valued in youth dissipate in quality. These youngsters want to believe Prince is giving it to them so they can feel good about not being there, so they take shots at the 38's and 42's on this website to avoid challenging the oldest of us all! Prince!! who is 52!. Who is understandably not the same guy, he would tell you that!. Back in 1999 Chris Rock did an interview with Prince showed him a clip of 1999 era Prince and asked him point blank "can you beat that guy?" without skipping a beat Prince said "no, that was a bad dude!". Remember 1999 was the first album he made $ from, dude was in the red and WB was wondering what to do with him. We loved him back then and when that shit dropped in 82" it was do or die so you cant tell me he wasnt bringing it. We built this shit, provided the support and longevity to an amazing career so these kids can even participate in such a forum. Without us, and our decrepit old experiences and our thirst for more they wouldnt even be able to get on this ride. Dont let em bother you nurse, the very fact that the thread was even started is validation of every thing i just said.

Thank you for your eloquent words of wisdom.

scandalousalan said:

Don't mean to offend anyone or anything. More of a speculative question/observation I've made since I joined this site. It seems to me that alot of the latest prince material is being slated by people that pine for the prince of old. Now I know there are fans out there too, and in alot of cases, people who are moreover fixated on his image and latest haircut etc which is fair enough. Different types of fans, so we cannot all be pigeon holed. I do however think that alot of golden oldies on here dismantle and dissect too much, which in alot of cases makes it inevitable in their minds it will never stand up to his past. I am 28, so I am no spring chicken myself, but I personally think that a wave of younger generation may be able to embrace his music more than the Decrepit loyals that swarm these forums. Particularly if prince continues to release breezy pop tunes like hot summer. Just my 2 cents

I think its more offensive to the younger crowd than the older one. I'm of the mind that his older material is simply better music in general. This is a widely-held belief. Some of his new stuff taps similar veins, but nothing close to the vibe of the older stuff. I'm 28 and didn't get into Prince until about 1992, though I'd been exposed to his music all my life prior.

If the newer fans get into his new music, more power to them. He has a wealth of shit to get into. It does crack me up, though, when a newer fan will say something like "The Gold Experience isn't that great, but man I love 3121!!".

robinhood said:

"simplicity is the ultimate sophistication"- leonardo davinci

i dont think our age has much to do with our perspective of his music, probably more to do with what he's released in the past, and us making unnecessary comparisons.

when we've been conditioned to Prince's more inventive, detailed and 'intelligently designed' music, a song like hot summer seems comparatively, way under par.

not because it's a bad song, but because it's so simple. i remember tracks like rasberry beret, so simple. for me, the simple stuff is some of his best work.

if rasberry beret were released today, how many people would think it to be a lower standard than the rest of his catalog? would that be a fair comparison to make?

O.o

You really think "Raspberry Beret" is a simple song? Perhaps thematically... I guess. But as far as the construction of the song, it's very intricate.

Spinlight said:

O.o

You really think "Raspberry Beret" is a simple song? Perhaps thematically... I guess. But as far as the construction of the song, it's very intricate.

yeah i do think it's a simple song, melodically and musically, its not neuro-science, like some of his other work.

but i can see how songs like Hot Summer and Cream, and Kiss, are even simpler.

Agreed, I'm definitely too old to listen to mediocre stuff anymore!