Crystal Ball is pretty good...as long as it isn't the set with Kamasutra.
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kramasutra........no words ,lets just say it didnt make it on the ipod | |
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I'm 42 and have been a fan since 1979. Throughout the years, I've seen him change his style from an extremely cold funky new wavish Minneapolis Sound, to a warmer artsy/fartsy retro late 1960s/early 1970s sound with traditional instruments mixed with elements of his previous sound. Throughout the years, I've heard him do funk, rock, classical, folk, house, etc. I may have thought he lost his damn mind a few times along the way but I never thought he sold out because when he changed his style in 1985, he definately wasn't doing what everyone else was doing or intentionally trying to get mega sales.
What has turned me almost completely off with him in recent years, to the point of almost dropping him altogether, is that I feel he has become a major hypocrit and is definately selling out on particular tracks. I wholeheartedly agree with his preaching about the state of music these days and how there's no real music these days and that these artists these days couldn't play instruments if their life depended on it. But then, he turns around and puts particular tracks on the albums like "Inshit and Candles", "Mr. Goodnight", "Valenshita", "Ole Skool Crappery", etc. that sound just like this neo-soul bullshit and shit hop that has dominated R&B radio for the last 15 or 20 years and has kept any damn thing R&B related that actually sounds good off the radio, including keeping a lot of Prince's own funky jams in the 1990s such as "319" off the radio. When you record bullshit that fits in, you're helping to contribute more to the problem rather than trying to defeat it. I see this as selling out. When I talk my shit, I stand by it and don't back down. When Prince talks his, he turns around and joins them with particular tracks. It's like he's trying to hold on to us old fans by throwing in a good jam or two but also trying to gain new fans who like the bullshit on the radio today. Well, I don't want a dime of my money going to help to contribute more to the problem of what's on the radio today even if it is just a track here and there. Put your money where your mouth is. Don't complain about the state of today's music if you ain't gonna back up what you're saying. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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x 1,000! That's good stuff. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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People forget that in his prime, his work was almost that of an avant-guard pop funk rock underground artist. If you were listening to Dirty Mind or Controversy it wasn't on a "pop" radio station. Radio was just as bad then as it is now, Neil Diamond and Kenny Rogers were the big pop radio stars, not Prince, not until after Purple Rain. If you dug Prince back in the day, it was because you sought out music from outside of the mainstream pop bubble. Now it seems Prince is more willing to blow pop bubbles than at any time in his career. So no, i think the argument is backwards, the old time Prince fans long for the originality, and the daring of something new, the younger fans like the safe unchallenging silly pop sounds. | |
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He only "seems older and a lil wiser but still the same musically" because you are referencing him in comparison to when he was younger.
Forget all about that! For me that's taken no less than 4 Top Shelf Long Island Ice Teas...but hey...you do you!
For this scernario, Prince only exists in his current older form. There is no crystal ball to get into nor one to get out of.
In this scenario...Prince is a brand new artist on the scene and his only efforts consist of The Rainbow Children, One Nite Alone, Xpectation, N.E.W.S, Musicology, The Chocolate Invasion, The Slaughterhouse, 3121, Planet Earth and LotusFlow3r.
Based on the merits of those efforts and those efforts alone...what would you REALLY think of Prince as an artist, WITHOUT taking into account ANY his prior efforts?
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You sounding real old and crochety right nah lol | |
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That's the honest motherfucking truth! Spouses automatically get a card, regardless of their age! Look it up! Better yet, call AARP and ask...I damn sure did!
Because I swear, you should have seen my damn face, when I got mine!
Fucking....P R I C E L E S S!!!!
. [Edited 6/16/10 16:23pm] I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Supa is actually a facist in a peaceniks clothing didn't ya know? | |
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i would think hmmmm
this new guy is really religious and conscience but he still is giving me some sexuality (me likey)
most definitely will be on tour with maxwell and jill scott
i would definitely like this guy but i think id be more into robin thicke (so HOTT ) than him '
he would just be another artist i liked but not as important
but all -round i feel young prince without the new prince is so imcomplete and new prince without the the old prince and is very incomplete
its always a part of him thats missing to me when i try to compare them
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My bad! I've been drinking!
If that is what you really think...than it is what it is...and I can respect that!
Thank you for your input. It's given me something to think about and I appreciate that.
However, when my old(er) happy ass has sobered up...and I'm on one of my rants about his current output being utter garbage...don't take it personally!
I just happen to KNOW that Prince IS capable of so much better and there is not enough alcohol in existence...nor suspension of belief...that will make ME think otherwise!
If I could just play with the old Prince that I like...in the ways that I like...without reprimand...I wouldn't have a single thing to say at all about the new Prince that you like!
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I totally agree.
From Dirty mind to Lovesexy (maybe even Batman the production and presentation was challenging, unique and Prince. Not that anything after that wasn't Prince. Rainbow Children was the last time I thought 'man he pushed it here' and that was more about message than production.
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hell if you dont like it........ well shit! you just dont like it and i understand that and im not gonna force ya either
it doesnt matter to me
heck, im not the one trying to sell records
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You understand me!
You REALLY understand me!
And you being such a young person, that really means more to me than I could ever express!
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awww man dont make cry
im speechless............. | |
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You are so right on the mark. I fit into the "people who were kids when Purple Rain came out", except my first exposure was the 1999 album. I jumped ship in 1997, so to speak. TRUE BLUE | |
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Why not? Your little young happy, think you KNOW so much ass, made ME cry and I'm HARD to the fucking core! Damn it!
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I couldn't have said it better myself! Nursev, thank you!!!!!
I have listened to Prince since I was a teenage in the 70s. I am not fixated on his hair etc, however, I can also understand where Prince is at musically.
No, "Hot Summer" may not set the world on fire, but it is still reminscent of another time that us "old decrepit loyals" as you have called us understand and know about. We remember and still enjoy music when it was just good clean fun. When it was about the music and not the banal crap that you hear daily on local radio. You newbie Prince listeners have no right to criticise us. I do not hunger for the Prince of the 80s. I do not kiss Prince's ass when he screws up. I'm tired of these types of threads that compare the Prince lovers who are older to the younger group. We have been and will continue to be lovers of REAL music! Music is ageless. Music keeps us young. Please catch, grab or borrower a clue! Because you are clueless to believe that we are stuck in the past in a purple time warp.
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The real definition of unity is 1 People can slam their door, disagree and fight it But how U gonna love the Father but not love the Son? United States of Division" | |
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Really? I dunno. The first two albums were super sugary and sweet. I mean, you don't get much more "pop" than "I wanna be Your Lover". Sure, by Dirty Mind he was avant-guard and underground, but only after he had been a bubble gum/ r&b cutie. "New Power slide...." | |
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There are plenty of people out there making great music these days, you just have to look for it. I'm not suprised that you haven't bothered. Most people don't. | |
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Herein lies a second generalization that usually crops up on these threads -- the implication that old-school Prince fans somehow depend only on him for quality music.
Some of us keep our eyes and ears out for new artists, in addition to having other favorites whose music we've enjoyed for a long time. So, trust and believe, we're still enjoying other artists' quality output.
We just know that Skipper's capable of doing far better. The irony is this: Prince has always acted like his music was the best available and that he'd "developed" the musical palates of his longtime listeners. So, wouldn't it stand -- at least by his measure -- that we'd have sophisticated tastes that blanche at the release of his subpar or more recent offerings?
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"Music is ageless. Music keeps us young. Please catch, grab or borrower a clue!" Best post in this damn thread
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Meh. The only advantage I have as an older dude is that I got to see all the stuff when it happened. But that doesn't change how I look at new music.
Prince has songs on just about every album that are, IMHO, classics that stand up against anything from the '80's.
I think "Guitar" is his best rock song ever, especially the version he did on the Leno show.
I'll put "No More candy 4 U" in the same class as anything off "1999" when it comes to the Minneapolis Sound.
Looking back on it all, Prince has put out songs that I consider awesome on just about every CD he's ever released.
But I will admit that he was only ground-breaking and earth-shaking for an entire album once, and that was on "Purple Rain".
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I'm not finished
I mean wasn't the OP like 2 yrs old when Prince was at his best in 84? I and so many others were blessed to be old enough to witness the magic when it happened I think it's so disrespectful to basically shit on our experiences Folks that experienced Prince in the late 70's, 80's and early 90's saw the genius that is truly Prince. I am 38 dammitt and I am still a Prince fan which is more than I can say for these artist and their fans today After 2 cd's them bitches are history! I think young Prince would've told you to to kiss his sexy motherfucking ass How's that for young? | |
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nursev said: What a terrible fucking thead So now we are too old to know quality music and were fixated on his looks-pure bullshit! When Prince gives us quality music trust me his long time fans know it and when he gives us trash we know that too. As for being fixated on his looks, Prince has made his appearance a central part of his persona over the years-he's a master at it and his fans appreciate that he still gives a fuck about that!
I also think it's fucked up that you have the balls to call those of us who have been there from the beginning old-it's a blessing to have lived to see it all unfold. Hopefully you will be so lucky. Nurse, with all due respect, you are jumping the gun here. I never said There was anything wrong with being into his hair-doo's, nor did I say older people have crap music taste. Rattling your cage was not my intention. There have been some really enlightening responses from all across the age spectrum. Definately made for interesting reading. | |
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We arent stuck, we just know the difference. If you grow up watching jordan dunk on everybody you see the difference when he starts shooting fadaways-30 points is 30 points but if you were there when he was dunking you know the difference. Prince has his moments today actually but to me those moments are as a live musician, he's a wayyy better guitarist than the guy i grew up with. I just think younger fans, who have more access now than any other generation who can get all of his previous stuff should be able to hear the urgency and innovation of previous works. As i stated earlier, i never deluded myself about JB's output during my youth, i knew my mom and older relatives saw and heard JB when he was in his prime. You keep saying our age impacts our listening, but you wont admit that Prince is a whole decade older and it has impacted his artistry-not fair. You cant label us no more than we can label you, but as i keep repeating at least i can admit i missed certain parties that i was too young to attend. You guys wont admit it, when there are "glory years" you are living right now that your younger siblings wont be able to relate to. | |
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I'm a well known boxing journalist, and i've covered some of the biggest events of the last 10 yrs. and i have plenty of loyal readers who enjoy my work. When Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao finally agree to terms guess who will recieve a media credential? the guy with no paragraph breaks on prince.org. When i am on this board shooting the shit about my favorite artist i may mispell shit, ramble on or even missuse a word or two-so what . My editor hates going over my stuff too, but she wouldnt trade me for 10 writers because it is my voice she values. I will continue to just write what comes to mind, and if the lack of breaks is too much for you, so much so that it invalidates my opinion then move on... And Thank You for Playing. | |
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And they dont want to admit they were raised on that shit, so their ears are tuned for Bullshit | |
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As he puts it himself " they were in love with me then & they expect to be in love with me now - i understand that.." | |
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