considering the fact that he dosent consider himself black this is a loaded question. | |
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Just because he's half black, half Italian and half Swedish-caucasoid doesn't mean he considers himself anything other than black. He wrote Black MF In The House, not Scandinavian MF In The House. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Don't pay jackson any mind, he's still pissed that Prince didn't do the Tom Joynor cruise... He knows damn well Prince is Black. [Edited 6/17/10 13:04pm] | |
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But I hear he's been known to answer to Sven. | |
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prince was quoted by the new york press indicating that he does not consider himself a person of color. he said this while he was promoting dirty mind | |
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I bought a copy of Prince's Census form on eBay...
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isnt Africa talks to 2 you a Sly Stone song? His cover is friggin amazing tho.
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That's it? | |
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Free Andy is a four letter word. | |
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There was a whole bunch of them in 1992-1994: - Paris 1798430 (Tevin Campbell's "I'm Ready") - Uncle Sam (Tevin Campbell's "I'm Ready') - Super hero (Earth Wind & Fire's "Millenium" and subsequent extended version, later "Blankman' soundtrack by NPG and subsequent single with remixes) - Race ("The Beautiful Experience" TV show and later the "Come" album version and yet another version released thru NPGMC in 2001). - We March ("The Gold Experience" and later a 1995 live version released on NPGMC)
A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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That's just about Interracial Love / Romance / Sex
Prince did a good number of songs like that. I believe Yellow (Sheila E:Romance 1600) & Olivers House (Sheila E:Glamorous Life) are about the same thing
Jerk Out(Mazarati / the Time) are about the same, but from an angrier direction
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Free was a more social political song 2 Americans:Black White Puerto Rican
His vision from For U - Lovesexy was very much Multiracial, Bohemian, Glam Hippie... Free Love | |
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Dear Mr Man: off Musicology "Why my folk keep strugglin" thats the blackest song I have ever heard off him. We March, Race, Sacrifice of Victor (The tragic mulatto), I think Prince is very proud of being African American and has improved a lot since the 80s when he kept spinning tales about how black or white his background was. Look at songs like Black Sweat and "Drinking champagne from a glass with chocolate handles" from 3121, Lion of Judah is a symbol peculiar to the Rastafari religion that encompasees a lot of black people (Ethipoians and Jamaicans especially), the last albums also had dreamer and colonized mind both of which address racism.
If anything, Prince becomes more race conscious with every album, and thats a good thing. So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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AMEN!!! | |
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I still dont get it. Why is race such an issue with this guy? Blacks dominate the music industry these days. They also dominate sports both physically and financially, and some of the highest paid actors in hollywood are black. Denzel, Samuel L Jackson, Morgan Friedman.. etc. Look up government grants, benefits and loans. There are a load of them that white people cant get, because they are WHITE. So for Prince, OF ALL PEOPLE, to have an issue with racism is obsurd. This has always been my one problem with him. He was one of the most successful "black" artists of his time. Had a record breaking contract handed to him in '92, and he was handed the keys to the kingdom at the age of 19! He had free reign to whatever he wanted. Not to mention he was the first black artist to have a video on MTV back 1982 with Little Red Corvette Sorry, but the whole race thing is absolutely crazy in the current times (at least where Im from) and its even more crazy for Prince to complain about it. | |
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Well, from a standpoint that it seems only certain types of music by black artists gets consistent label support -- and it's usually the kind that involves us perpetuating negative stereotypes of dysfunction and flat-out buffoonery, I support Prince's push for a more comprehensive representation and industry support of black artistry.
I'd love for Rachelle, Lalah, Meshell & Sananda to receive as much hype and industry support as Lil Wayne and Beyonce.
Usually, the "issue" with Prince and other black musicians stems from ownership and wealth creation.
And, I'd encourage you to reconsider whether black athletes are financially dominant. Highly paid compared with other professions? Certainly. But compare Titans back Chris Johnson's salary with, say, his coach or the team owner, and I think "dominant" takes on a slightly different cast.
As for actors, again, the dysfunctional roles seem to resonate most with Hollywood, and casting and award nominations and votes reflect this. Did Denzel win an Oscar for Malcolm X, the Great Debaters or the Book of Eli? No, but Training Day was a lock for his portrayal of an animalistic cop. Halle's naked romp in a farcical Monster's Ball got her an Oscar.
And, for you to bring up grants available to blacks in a day and age where hiring, compensation and wealth generation still significantly trail those of whites is staggering. Feel free to look up the pay inequity faced by comparably credentialed black professionals to. this. day. Or read this article, which pretty clearly shows what blacks with advanced degrees face in the job market.
Or consider how President Obama has been faulted for not being "emotional enough" during the oil spill crisis or, during his presidential campaign, alternately for being either "not black enough" or a "white-hating" black man.
Why is race an issue with Prince, you ask? Why is it an issue with everyone else? [Edited 6/19/10 8:46am] | |
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Whether or not things seems "equal" in your area or not..they are equal here, if not one sided in the black community's favor. Hence the reason I was sure to say "where Im from" in my previous post. I have seen more benefits given to "minorities" around here simply because the system is afraid of a lawsuit or bad press. Yet, when I had back surgery, I couldnt walk, I had to wear a brace and a bone stimulator, was told not to lift over 5 pounds, and the Dr. even told me I could not work for at least a year.... But when I tried to draw disablity, I got denied. But there were "minorities" in there to renew their benefits laughing, walking around and one was even making a joke about milking the system til they bust him. So, Because I got denied for disability, I tried to draw Unemployment, and got denied for that also, because I had "physical restrictions". Yet I have a close friend of mine that is black and on Unemployment right now, and he is paralized from the waist down.
There are mexican restaurants going up left and right in my town, and "ethnic" clothing shops everywhere. I wanted to open a clothing store, so I went to seek advice from a few of the "ethnic" clothing store owners. They got grants that are 70%-90% guaranteed by the government. Meaning they will only have to pay back 10%-30% if the business goes bust. So, I try to get a grant, and guess what...Im the wrong color for the grants they got. And this is exactly what the loan officer told me... "If I may be honest with you sir, if you were a minority or a female, I could get you approved." So, I had to use my home as collateral.
So youre saying only blacks with advance degrees are facing problems in the job market? Are you serious? These problems today with the job market are with every race!
Again, I dont know how things are where youre from, but around here its pretty ridiculous.
But back to Prince.......Him complaining about racism is like him complaining about being poor. Oh wait..he doesnt complain about being poor. Wonder why...Oh yea..because he doesnt deal with it. No more than he deals with racism.
Ill always admire Prince as a musician and performer, but this is one area, that I truely dislike about him. Enough is enough. | |
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I never said whites with advanced degrees aren't facing difficulties, and that article doesn't either. It does show, however, that blacks with advanced degrees are having a harder time getting hired, to the point that some are removing all references to race from their resumes.
The article references black and white American job-seekers. I think the context of the article deals with Prince's comments about black American artists (hence the references to the Harlem Renaissance). I'm sorry for your misfortunes, and I know how setbacks can inform a person's view on larger socioeconomic contexts. That's normal. In America, however, the context is pretty clearly not pro-minority.
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Maybe american as a whole. But I can only speak from My experiences and the experience of those around me. I have lived in the south east my entire life. Around here its seems to be a different story than those from other areas of the US. I totally disagree with racism, no matter what race is being discriminated against. Its not fair, nor eithical. I honestly thought that since Obama came into office, racism would slowly come to an end (for the most part). But it seems to have divided us even more for some unknown reason. It also seems to have made Prince even more vocal about racism. | |
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Interesting. I never thought Obama's election would mark an end to racial division -- particularly when it was documented by media outlets (NPR, for example) that white supremacist groups were using the election as a recruiting tool and -- conversely, the belief among some minority voters that the election would mark the deluge of minority-boosting domestic policies.
Obama's election represented a substantial change among the American electorate. A change that has been used as a negative in the Southeastern portion of America and by right-wing talk hosts throughout the country. I'm with you, though: I'd like to see racism -- in all its forms and from all its bearers -- end.
To the Prince article, I think he probably was boosting some of his comments for his audience, Ebony, much as he might talk more about gear usage to Guitar Player.
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during the lovesexy tour, black radio station hardly got tickets for the show. why didnt prince black ass stick for his urban fanbase. | |
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Are you typing while wearing oven mitts? If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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What's funny is I predicted this angry backlash before the election and very few took it seriously. Gun and ammo sales skyrocketed, the rhetoric turned ugly and I don't think it's going to improve anytime soon. Bottom line, promoting fear and hatred is profitable for a select few.
I agree that Prince was addressing his comments to Ebony's core audience and also speaking from his own perspective just as he does in his so called black pride songs.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Denial of first time disability claims is almost routine all over the US. I live in the southeast also and I can tell you that my mother, who was 62 at the time and had worked full time all her life, had her first claim denied and she only got benefits after two appeals.
When I was on medical leave from work several years ago I nearly went bankrupt waiting for the disability insurance to kick in, and this was private disability insurance that I paid for myself through my employer. I'm sorry for your misfortune but denial of benefits isn't specific to whites any more than gaming the system is exclusive to minorities.
Apparently getting hassle free assistance is only possible if you're Goldman Sachs or Bank Of America.
The complexion of the guy in the WH may have changed but the attitudes of many have remained the same...it may not impact Prince on the same level but it hasn't escaped his notice either. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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One reason this happened was because Obama either DID and/or STILL wants to tax the hell out of handguns and handgun ammo. I went out and stocked up myself before the tax increase.
As far as Prince's comments in Ebony..yea.. your probably right about him just talking to the core audience. But his songs and other interviews where his entire fanbase are reading and listening...well... again, I say its nonsense for him to portray the "struggling black man". Its just sickening to hear him blabbering about it. Just get back to the Prince that never talked. If you pay close attention, the man only complains in his interviews now, unless it concerns his gigs or religion.
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prince wrote a song for vanity 6 called natsy girl. how does this song empower black women? | |
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Prince has made it a point to downplay his Blackness and he always will, unless of course when he's not using slavery as a metaphor for the behavior of major record labels. He's like the Tiger Woods of music, ashamed to accept his own ethnic heritage. | |
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In the words of Lois on Family Guy... "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?" | |
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