MikeyB71 said:

squirrelgrease said:

What does 4DaFunk call their City Lights reworks?

I think they called it 'The Soundboard Series'.

Not 100% on that though.

Thanks. I'll be looking for these. I have all of the old City Lights on CD-R from a trade I did back in the day, but an upgrade would be swell. I love the early tour shows, and these are great.

^

4DF002 - 4DF's Soundboard Series: Columbia 81

4DF003 - 4DF's Soundboard Series: Saginaw 82

4DF004b - 4DF's Soundboard Series: Detroit 82

4DF005 - 4DF's Soundboard Series: Providence 83

4DF042 - 4DF's Soundboard Series: Atlanta 80

These are their remastered versions of the Superhero City Lights series. Not only they tweaked the sound according to today's standards but fixed ever glitch on them. They even filled some of the 20+ seconds gaps on the original releases absolutely seamlessly.

The missing volumes (Atlanta 85 and Stockholm 86) can be found in improved versions on the Free Boot Generation catalogue:

FBG06: Stockholm, are you hip to the funk?

FBG14: Purple Rain at The Omni

You can't go wrong with any of these!

vitriol said:

^

4DF002 - 4DF's Soundboard Series: Columbia 81

4DF003 - 4DF's Soundboard Series: Saginaw 82

4DF004b - 4DF's Soundboard Series: Detroit 82

4DF005 - 4DF's Soundboard Series: Providence 83

4DF042 - 4DF's Soundboard Series: Atlanta 80

These are their remastered versions of the Superhero City Lights series. Not only they tweaked the sound according to today's standards but fixed ever glitch on them. They even filled some of the 20+ seconds gaps on the original releases absolutely seamlessly.

The missing volumes (Atlanta 85 and Stockholm 86) can be found in improved versions on the Free Boot Generation catalogue:

FBG06: Stockholm, are you hip to the funk?

FBG14: Purple Rain at The Omni

You can't go wrong with any of these!

Thank you very much. That helps.

squirrelgrease said:

Thanks. I'll be looking for these. I have all of the old City Lights on CD-R from a trade I did back in the day, but an upgrade would be swell. I love the early tour shows, and these are great.

Well, if you have and love the older versions you will feel in Heaven when you listen to these tweaks.

No merit can be stolen from Superhero, though. Their original releases at the time they came out were a gift of the gods.

vitriol said:

squirrelgrease said:

Thanks. I'll be looking for these. I have all of the old City Lights on CD-R from a trade I did back in the day, but an upgrade would be swell. I love the early tour shows, and these are great.

Well, if you have and love the older versions you will feel in Heaven when you listen to these tweaks.

No merit can be stolen from Superhero, though. Their original releases at the time they came out were a gift of the gods.

I shit bricks when I heard about City Lights. I could never find it at the record shows so I had to find a trader. I would have loved to have silvers of that set back then.

Thankfully, a certain Paisley Insider needed some cash, or we probably never would have these incredible soundboard shows.

Something else I don't have

I've got the boot City Lights Remastered & Extended Volumes 1&2 in APE format, haven't yet figured how to convert them to FLAC but seeing how you lot rate it I'll get onto it.

Pimpin' Volume 1 by Pimpsandwich is pretty damn good. IMHO it is a good one to hear if you liked "Box O' Chocolates".

elmer said:

I've got the boot City Lights Remastered & Extended Volumes 1&2 in APE format, haven't yet figured how to convert them to FLAC but seeing how you lot rate it I'll get onto it.

Note: Not to be used for unauthorized recordings:

DVD Video Soft's "Free Audio Converter" changes Ape to Flac, WAV or mp3 and vice-versa.

GoldTimer said:

Pimpin' Volume 1 by Pimpsandwich is pretty damn good. IMHO it is a good one to hear if you liked "Box O' Chocolates".

Seeing as I masturbate daily to BOC (yes, I think it's that good), I'll definitely have to check out Pimpin' Vol 1.

squirrelgrease said:

elmer said:

I've got the boot City Lights Remastered & Extended Volumes 1&2 in APE format, haven't yet figured how to convert them to FLAC but seeing how you lot rate it I'll get onto it.

Note: Not to be used for unauthorized recordings:

DVD Video Soft's "Free Audio Converter" changes Ape to Flac, WAV or mp3 and vice-versa.

Also Note: Not to be used for unauthorized recordings:

Switch Sound File Converter Plus is also very good and easy to use. It will convert from just about any type sound file to any type sound file.

thanks 4 the recommend on pimpin' didn't have that 1 4 some reason

great quality

cthdawn said:

thanks 4 the recommend on pimpin' didn't have that 1 4 some reason

great quality

Just got it myself and am listening to it now.

vitriol said:

^Especially the versions by 4DaFunk (Atlanta 80, Columbia 81, Saginaw 82, Detroit 82 and Providence 83) are way better than Superhero's originals.

In fact, they are the ones Sabotage is snatching for "their" remastered versions.

[Edited 6/9/10 2:13am]

I think Vitriol needs to explain about his sources and/or needs to upgrade his stereo even more.

^ What does he need to explain?

[Edited 6/11/10 13:45pm]

vitriol said:

^Especially the versions by 4DaFunk (Atlanta 80, Columbia 81, Saginaw 82, Detroit 82 and Providence 83) are way better than Superhero's originals.

In fact, they are the ones Sabotage is snatching for "their" remastered versions.

[Edited 6/9/10 2:13am]

If you're talking City Lights Remastered here, then you better get

your facts straight.

NONE of the shows listed by vitriol have been "snatched" by Sabotage

from any fan label for SAB's current box set of remastered re-releases.

Just listen and you'll find out.

Besides, you can also go by the timings, but that's only another

sort of proof for those folks who don't trust their ears alone.

I seriously doubt that any of 4daFunk's "tweaked" CL shows actually

surpass the SAB masters, by the way.

^Wow! I must seriously appologize.

I relied on the opinion of a friend who told me not to bother listening to the Sab versions because they were rip offs. So I hadn't bothered too much.

Now I DID bother and of course, they seem not to be rip offs.

In fact, the 4DF versions sound infinitely better to my taste than the Sab ones. The most similar ones could be the 5 SB tracks from Met Center 82 and maybe Saginaw 82.

In the case of Columbia 81 I think the difference rubs the abysmal. Sab's version sounds much poorer than 4DF's to me.

Ok, I shouldn't have made mine a third party's opinion before checking for myself, but anyway Sab has for me rapidly lost the respect they'd deservedly earned over the years.

In the liner notes to the sixth volume of the Purple Rush series they even had the guts to say that Prince and Sheila's gig at 7th Street Entry was reworked from the 4DF version because it was very badly done and it was so funny, because 4DaFunk NEVER did that gig.

vitriol said:

^Wow! I must seriously appologize.

[...]

In the liner notes to the sixth volume of the Purple Rush series they even had the guts to say that Prince and Sheila's gig at 7th Street Entry was reworked from the 4DF version because it was very badly done and it was so funny, because 4DaFunk NEVER did that gig.

Let us assume that you are rigth and 4dafunk never ever did anything that even resembles the gig you decribe.

Why do you go from apology to indignation? Or is the intro feigned?

Of course we don't allow for judgement errors. so why did you correct your story?

Why would you not allow a slight mistake when people are wading through hours and hours of material and restoriatng whatever they can?

If the result doesn't appeal to your taste that is a safe escape, but the work done cannot be denied.

I am saying here that both 4dafunk and sab need a bit more recognition for the work being done.

I don't think Sab have gone through hours and hours of material and restorating in a long time.

Nowadays they mainly rip free releases which go through their deaf engineer's ears to end up turned into a treblefest.

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vitriol said:

I don't think Sab have gone through hours and hours of material and restorating in a long time.

Nowadays they mainly rip free releases which go through their deaf engineer's ears to end up turned into a treblefest.

[Edited 6/12/10 9:13am]

a) you never read the liner notes

b) you never listened through all of the audio to verify notes and differences

c) you think they are cheap

which ones of the above are true?

udo said:

which ones of the above are true?

C.

^^ You forgot to include my option:

d) do you think they've BECOME cheap?

YES!!

My idea is that all of them are true in your case.

This means that I imply that you should read and listen first and discover the differences.

Then and only then you can judge and report back here about these issues.

My comment on the Purple Rush booklet is a proof that I do read liner notes.

A different thing is whether I can give those notes a real value.

Remember Sab (especially as of late) need to SELL a product.

So I can't give a damn about their (and even less Eye's) liner notes.

vitriol said:

So I can't give a damn about their (and even less Eye's) liner notes.

<sigh>

You are avoiding the topic.

The liner notes mention, sometimes, some details about the 'process', the work that has been done.

This can help you hear what has happened to the sound and thus support you in deciding if someone ripped somebody elese yes or no.

So if you deny any good tip I throw at you you are on your own; but know that without some research that we all can verify your claims will appear to be quite baseless.

Can't you see my posts properly?

I've already said I read the notes. A different thing is that I don't believe all the bullshit contained on them.

Thanks for your help, but I don't need it. I'm not an idiot.

vitriol said:

Can't you see my posts properly?

I've already said I read the notes. A different thing is that I don't believe all the bullshit contained on them.

Thanks for your help, but I don't need it. I'm not an idiot.

As for not believing what is written: `zo de waard is vertrouwt 'ie zijn gasten` is a dutch saying that says what I mean. I.e.: not believing says a bit more about you...

OK. Think what you want and, very especially, believe what you want off the (mainly) bullshit contained on the liner notes of the commercial bootlegs.

Thay can't beat the free releasers and they are desperate for it.

vitriol said:

OK. Think what you want and, very especially, believe what you want off the (mainly) bullshit contained on the liner notes of the commercial bootlegs.

Thay can't beat the free releasers and they are desperate for it.

If we define 'beat' I could agree with you.

But for now I'll list a few things:

- Factory pressed disc (versus cd-r or any other storage)

- Printed booklet (mostly fullcolour)

- Some audio processing

These things come on top of the ripped, superior free release.

udo said:

- Factory pressed disc (versus cd-r or any other storage)

- Printed booklet (mostly fullcolour)

- Some audio processing

Ain't that normal for a product you have to PAY for?

The "some" audio processing part made me laugh a little bit, but that's exactly what they do: "some" processing, don't expect major efforts because their product needs to be profitable.....