maybe he's jealous of women and wants to feel like he's got the same power. dress like them, lure them in, control and dominate, taking feminine power, making it subservient to him and applying it to his own image and needs.

As a person and esp. an artist, he pursues freedom. He wants to be free, not forcing himself to be what the society forces individuals to be regarding their gender. And he pursues beauty. Whether it's in the boundaries of the so-called "feminie" or "masculine" ways, he doesn't seem to care. What he thinks is beautiful, that's all he's after, I think.

vainandy said:

There are all kinds of variations in masculinity and feminity when it comes to gay men. Prince just happens to be one of the feminine ones.

JudasLChrist said:

PurpleLove7 said: Women are men's NATURAL counterparts

Heterosexism.

For sure.

robinhood said:

maybe he's jealous of women and wants to feel like he's got the same power. dress like them, lure them in, control and dominate, taking feminine power, making it subservient to him and applying it to his own image and needs.

apart from that i dont know. you'd have to ask his mother.

good point robinhood

but jealous of women?? now why would he be jealous of an oppressed group?

i guess i never will find out if i have to ask his mother

PicklesMcMillan said:

robinhood said:

maybe he's jealous of women and wants to feel like he's got the same power. dress like them, lure them in, control and dominate, taking feminine power, making it subservient to him and applying it to his own image and needs.

apart from that i dont know. you'd have to ask his mother.

good point robinhood

but jealous of women?? now why would he be jealous of an oppressed group?

for the same reason women have been oppressed. they are the womb of mankind. they rock the cradle of civilization. there's no other power like it. but i'm just guessing.

robinhood said:

PicklesMcMillan said:

good point robinhood

but jealous of women?? now why would he be jealous of an oppressed group?

for the same reason women have been oppressed. they are the womb of mankind. they rock the cradle of civilization. there's no other power like it. but i'm just guessing.

thats true

PicklesMcMillan said:

i think prince stated that he likes the female voice better on slow records than a male voice

hes uses "Camille"

he dresses kinda feminine and i think he said he had a female alter -ego or something like that (dont quote me lol)

he always works with women

i can tell he thinks very highly of women and our feminine quality but who can blame him

but what can i say, we women exclude a gracefulness that no man can replicate .....ok ok now im just getting ahead of my self (genderwars)

but why do you think princi-pal is so influence by women and femininity ??

Prince dresses like a woman. He has -- with exceptions like the recent pic where he wasn't wearing much makeup -- most of his career.

But I don't think he necessarily thinks very highly of women -- he objectified them and mostly played their victim in the first part of his career and has invoked religious dominance over feminine muses in the latter part of his career.

I think it's more accurate to say that Prince uses femininity as either a gimmick or an expression of his conflicted sexual identity (or both). But to suggest that as proof of enlightened thinking concerning women disregards most of his catalog.

ThreadBare said:

PicklesMcMillan said:

i think prince stated that he likes the female voice better on slow records than a male voice

hes uses "Camille"

he dresses kinda feminine and i think he said he had a female alter -ego or something like that (dont quote me lol)

he always works with women

i can tell he thinks very highly of women and our feminine quality but who can blame him

but what can i say, we women exclude a gracefulness that no man can replicate .....ok ok now im just getting ahead of my self (genderwars)

but why do you think princi-pal is so influence by women and femininity ??

Prince dresses like a woman. He has -- with exceptions like the recent pic where he wasn't wearing much makeup -- most of his career.

But I don't think he necessarily thinks very highly of women -- he objectified them and mostly played their victim in the first part of his career and has invoked religious dominance over feminine muses in the latter part of his career.

I think it's more accurate to say that Prince uses femininity as either a gimmick or an expression of his conflicted sexual identity (or both). But to suggest that as proof of enlightened thinking concerning women disregards most of his catalog.

lol i dont think thats credible

PicklesMcMillan said:

ThreadBare said:

Prince dresses like a woman. He has -- with exceptions like the recent pic where he wasn't wearing much makeup -- most of his career.

But I don't think he necessarily thinks very highly of women -- he objectified them and mostly played their victim in the first part of his career and has invoked religious dominance over feminine muses in the latter part of his career.

I think it's more accurate to say that Prince uses femininity as either a gimmick or an expression of his conflicted sexual identity (or both). But to suggest that as proof of enlightened thinking concerning women disregards most of his catalog.

lol i dont think thats credible

Credible? It's a major point of "The Rainbow Children" and songs from more recent albums.

ThreadBare said:

PicklesMcMillan said:

lol i dont think thats credible

Credible? It's a major point of "The Rainbow Children" and songs from more recent albums.

maybe i just dont get what your saying

you say " he objectified them and mostly played their victim in the first part of his career religious dominance over feminine muses in the latter part of his career."

do you mean he used religious concepts more so than feminine concepts

or do you mean he use religion to objectify and control women

im sorry im getting confused

[Edited 6/5/10 9:30am]

PicklesMcMillan said:

ThreadBare said:

Credible? It's a major point of "The Rainbow Children" and songs from more recent albums.

maybe i just dont get what your saying

you say " he objectified them and mostly played their victim in the first part of his career religious dominance over feminine muses in the latter part of his career."

do you mean he used religious concepts more so than feminine concepts

or do you mean he use religion to objectify and control women

im sorry im getting confused

[Edited 6/5/10 9:30am]

For the most part, he seems more likely to eschew overt songs about enforcing his sexual dominance (say, "I Hate U") for songs that seem to more overtly enforce dominance through religious control (again, the "TRC" album, as well as songs like "Immersion").

He hasn't necessarily replaced fully one with the other. And, things stay familiar as his lyrics are still couched within romantic contexts and delivered with falsetto. But I don't see much regard for women as equals in Prince's lyrics.

ThreadBare said:

PicklesMcMillan said:

maybe i just dont get what your saying

you say " he objectified them and mostly played their victim in the first part of his career religious dominance over feminine muses in the latter part of his career."

do you mean he used religious concepts more so than feminine concepts

or do you mean he use religion to objectify and control women

im sorry im getting confused

[Edited 6/5/10 9:30am]

For the most part, he seems more likely to eschew overt songs about enforcing his sexual dominance (say, "I Hate U") for songs that seem to more overtly enforce dominance through religious control (again, the "TRC" album, as well as songs like "Immersion").

He hasn't necessarily replaced fully one with the other. And, things stay familiar as his lyrics are still couched within romantic contexts and delivered with falsetto. But I don't see much regard for women as equals in Prince's lyrics.

ok , but what about the most beautiful girl in the world ,fury( i think the woman is an equal in the song) and p control( contrary to popular belief is about female empowerment ) i mean the list can go on.and on. and with i hate u he plays more so the victim i think

but can you do me favor, can you give a song that prince Doesnt see a woman as an equal and can you explain why

maybe i can get where your coming from

PicklesMcMillan said:

ThreadBare said:

For the most part, he seems more likely to eschew overt songs about enforcing his sexual dominance (say, "I Hate U") for songs that seem to more overtly enforce dominance through religious control (again, the "TRC" album, as well as songs like "Immersion").

He hasn't necessarily replaced fully one with the other. And, things stay familiar as his lyrics are still couched within romantic contexts and delivered with falsetto. But I don't see much regard for women as equals in Prince's lyrics.

ok , but what about the most beautiful girl in the world ,fury( i think the woman is an equal in the song) and p control( contrary to popular belief is about female empowerment ) i mean the list can go on.and on. and with i hate u he plays more so the victim i think

but can you do me favor, can you give a song that prince Doesnt see a woman as an equal and can you explain why

maybe i can get where your coming from

I think "TRC" pretty consistently lays out Prince's philosophy on him occupying a role as parent-pastor in a romantic relationship. Lyrics such as "1+1+1=3"'s reference to "no room for disagree(ment)" not having to worry what comes out of his woman's mouth or her adherence to his vegetarian diet in "She Loves Me for Me" come to mind. "Immersion" off of the Bria album seems to be a song about a religious initiate adopting a belief system. Again, adhering to Prince's way of doing things has commonality not only in Prince's songs but also in the characterizations one hears of his romantic relationships (from the women who were involved with him -- Nona, Mayte, for example).

Because maybe he feels he was born the wrong sex?

PicklesMcMillan said:

PurpleLove7 said:

Women are men's NATURAL counterparts and you make us better men by incorporating the feminine aspects of tis or that. P's music and person had me sit back and say "yeah, I'm cool with that too and I recognize that about myself".

that was beautiful purplelove

Thanks Pickles. I love women and I feel in my "soul" that men and women are natural counterparts to one another. (This is nothing against anyone that's Gay or Lesbian, I was just answering the question and not tryin' to debate the point).

I've always understood what it is or was being Bi though *wink*

I read a while back in an interview, (Don't ask me which one or wheres the link) frequenting burlesque clubs with his dad when he was a kid caught his eyes!?! I'm sure someone here has link/info on this?

ThreadBare said:

But I don't see much regard for women as equals in Prince's lyrics.

mm even in Somewhere Here On Earth he infers that she is the one with the problem: "somebody somewhere put you down, but thats ok" as his way of explaining why she might be angry. maybe the someone who put her down was him. he has a very unique way of avoiding self-examination in his lyrics, with subtle blames laid on the other party.

robinhood said:

ThreadBare said:

But I don't see much regard for women as equals in Prince's lyrics.

mm even in Somewhere Here On Earth he infers that she is the one with the problem: "somebody somewhere put you down, but thats ok" as his way of explaining why she might be angry. maybe the someone who put her down was him. he has a very unique way of avoiding self-examination in his lyrics, with subtle blames laid on the other party.

I agree.

ronnwinter said:

I think he simply found something that got people talking, and interested in him..then ran with it. But after over 30 years of it, Im sure its forever a part of his real persona now.

Co-Sign Not sure way people can't figure this out. He found a niche and ran it into the ground.

Reel said:

Don't forget about Larry Graham. He appeared to love working with Larry. I've never heard him as excited about any other artist but Larry Graham. Not sure if that is because he was trying to market Larry for his Label at the time. I heard Larry Graham on a radio interview back in May stating that he and Prince continue to work together and to "jam together". I've never heard any of their jams though.

As far as the femininity is concerned, oh heck nevermind. My statement would cause too much Controversy

When Prince and Larry 'jam' it's always a very tight and rhythmic performance. I'm not a musician so am not able to use the terms that would best describe what I hear. But they sound in perfect tune with each other and simply bounce the music back and forth at the right time with the right grooves IMO Pure Funk

Prince has said he admires the female voice which is why he sings ballads in his upper register. As for dressing feminine I never got that from him. I've yet to meet a woman who dresses like Prince. Prince always seemed to dress like no one in particular but with slight touches of everyone at the same time. It was defying category to call it masculine or feminine strictly.

PicklesMcMillan said:

catpark said:

Do u think this is more normal?

no, what does this have to do with my question

Its normal to Dappy. other ppl may think he looks like a twat, but ppl do the same to Prince asking why does he dresses/acts like that, but as someone said hes just taken an idea that suited him very well and just ran with it, its a very 80s thing and then hes brought it to the 90s etc, but Prince doesn't do much of the feminine stuff now really hes just kept the heels.

I prefer the more feminine look on him it makes him look better, not really keen when he wears suits tho.

Prince loves to be surrounded by beautiful and/or interesting women. He's the ultimate heterosexual: a male that not only loves women but who is also evolved/confident enough to be comfortable around them (not like the typical old-fashioned male who prefers the company of men, beer & beisbol, and who only wants women to fuck them)

All the qualities we love about god are consistent with women, all of the things told to us about god when we are participating in religion (jealous, vengeful etc) are qualities we see in men. Life is altogether more peaceful in female dominated enviornments. Prince, ultimately wants closeness with God and he probably learns more about himself in friendship and proximity to women. I believe homeboy gets a lot of action, but nowhere near as much as we think-i believe theres some really emotionally fullfilling friendships sprinkled in there as well.

PicklesMcMillan said:

i think prince stated that he likes the female voice better on slow records than a male voice

hes uses "Camille"

he dresses kinda feminine and i think he said he had a female alter -ego or something like that (dont quote me lol)

he always works with women

i can tell he thinks very highly of women and our feminine quality but who can blame him

but what can i say, we women exclude a gracefulness that no man can replicate .....ok ok now im just getting ahead of my self (genderwars)

but why do you think princi-pal is so influence by women and femininity ??

Because he can.

JudasLChrist said:

Prince is just kind of transexual. He said as much in the Oprah interview.

Yeah...didnt he tell her that he took a friend thru therapy and in those sessions realized that he had a dual personality or something?

I clearly remember him saying he wasnt sure if that other personality was male or female.

That explained it all to me and this is the argument I have used in his defense ever since.

he has a fem fetish & needs 2 surround himself with all things feminine. i don't think he can fuction unless he's in a perpetual state of sexuelle arousal

DoffieParker said:

he has a fem fetish & needs 2 surround himself with all things feminine. i don't think he can fuction unless he's in a perpetual state of sexuelle arousal

Hehe...why is Prince so fascinated with femininity? Simple....trying to be God's masterpiece! Why you think men were made first? God had to make a draft before starting on His masterpiece that is woman