prince is prince and whether or not his new stuff is good is irrelevant he deserves respect period. his personal life really isnt that bad and its still none of our business so based on final song and his involvement yall shouldnt be talkin so much smack the guy deserves more respect ... the fact is compared to bruce springsteen or u2 or whoever he gets less attention because he is still very controversial ... much of his music is designed to inform the public of the media manipulation and of course the media isnt going to embrace that subject matter ... i'm not a huge fan of recent material but i would still rather hear colonized mind than whatever u2 are belching about

i would say thats why hes an outcast but the truth of his music has set him free because he IS one of the greatest of all time and everyone knows it

robinhood said:

who Prince is as a person is between him and his maker. the music industry and reporters are not entitled to make that judgment.

That kind of makes you a hypocrite in a few ways.

1) The very statement that Prince's humanity is between him and God is the exact opposite of you saying reporters and the music industry (all made up of human beings) have no right to say anything about anyone.

2) This is a free country, and in that country we have the right to express our opinions, including about Prince. If someone pays someone for that opinion, then even better. So yes, they are entitled. We all are; that "you're a naysayer" argument is a very weak anc cowardly way of not having to face the truth, whether that truth is good or bad.

3) Who Prince is as a person effects those around him, and those he chooses to interact with, on whatever level. God created him, but his environment, and experiences have formed him, as our own have formed us. When Prince talks to, or down to, or whatever, a person, that effects them. That includes a journalist or a producer or a musician. How narrow-minded and glib to say someone in the industry has no right to judge or critique Prince's music. Prince himself even rebuffed that statement this past year on Tavis Smiley, and has said it repeated times before that.

To try and stifle someone from the very act of speaking - inhumane, and near-Nazistic. No, you don't have to agree with it, but to try and shut someone up just from talking about motherfuckin' Prince? Pffft. Ridiculous. (See that? That's me disagreeing with you, but not telling you to STFU.)

TrevorAyer said:

prince is prince and whether or not his new stuff is good is irrelevant he deserves respect period. his personal life really isnt that bad and its still none of our business so based on final song and his involvement yall shouldnt be talkin so much smack the guy deserves more respect ... the fact is compared to bruce springsteen or u2 or whoever he gets less attention because he is still very controversial ... much of his music is designed to inform the public of the media manipulation and of course the media isnt going to embrace that subject matter ... i'm not a huge fan of recent material but i would still rather hear colonized mind than whatever u2 are belching about

i would say thats why hes an outcast but the truth of his music has set him free because he IS one of the greatest of all time and everyone knows it

ernestsewell said:

robinhood said:

who Prince is as a person is between him and his maker. the music industry and reporters are not entitled to make that judgment.

That kind of makes you a hypocrite in a few ways.

1) The very statement that Prince's humanity is between him and God is the exact opposite of you saying reporters and the music industry (all made up of human beings) have no right to say anything about anyone.

2) This is a free country, and in that country we have the right to express our opinions, including about Prince. If someone pays someone for that opinion, then even better. So yes, they are entitled. We all are; that "you're a naysayer" argument is a very weak anc cowardly way of not having to face the truth, whether that truth is good or bad.

3) Who Prince is as a person effects those around him, and those he chooses to interact with, on whatever level. God created him, but his environment, and experiences have formed him, as our own have formed us. When Prince talks to, or down to, or whatever, a person, that effects them. That includes a journalist or a producer or a musician. How narrow-minded and glib to say someone in the industry has no right to judge or critique Prince's music. Prince himself even rebuffed that statement this past year on Tavis Smiley, and has said it repeated times before that.

To try and stifle someone from the very act of speaking - inhumane, and near-Nazistic. No, you don't have to agree with it, but to try and shut someone up just from talking about motherfuckin' Prince? Pffft. Ridiculous. (See that? That's me disagreeing with you, but not telling you to STFU.)

they may be 'entitled' to say whatever they like, i guess everyone is 'entitled' to either respect, or abuse the right to freedom of speech.

main point being: should any personal judgment of Prince (as a person) interfere with the respect he deserves as a musician?

could Prince have been more humble in his 'reactions' to the silly questions and mockery he's received from the press? maybe. but would it have made any difference? i dont think so.

the press is a machine unto itself, it doesnt care about ethics, or even reporting the facts. all they're after is a story they can use to make more money. if they want to twist the facts and lace their story with bias, they will.

should they interfere with anyone's thought processes in regards to how they perceive Prince as a musician? no, i dont think so. but in a world where 'the masses' find it difficult to think for themselves, the press holds great power over public perception.

ernestsewell said:

It's just that catty nature that puts people off about him.

Thats what I love about him!

ernestsewell said:

TrevorAyer said:

the reason prince is rude is cuz journalists are idiots ... fuck them ... and its true he hasnt gotten the proper respect ... i mean he truly dominates compared to most of the crap that gets grammys hall of fame ... i mean compare prince to madonna ... madonna should be in the ho hall of fame but not music .. and she gets more respect than prince ..

i think the issue is with respect to prince talent is he getting the proper level of respect and the answer is absolutely no ... i mean can any of those rnr hall of famers play every instrument ... blow our minds on each instrument ... play pretty much any song ... none have written as many pure hits except maybe the beatles or stones or stevie wonder ... is prince placed on their level ... no ... has he written at least 50 mindblowing should have been number one hits YES ... can he play all of there songs and rock them hard ... YES can they play his songs .... not likely ... i mean compared to prince .. pearl jam , u2, blow chunks .. is prince given that level of respect NO

its bull sheet

That's a very fammy statement. I mean, really. I mean, journalists didn't start out being rude to Prince. I mean, they praised him from early on. They loved Dirty Mind, and raved about 1999. It was Prince that sabotaged his image in the press. I mean, when WB started to throttle his output (the "Let's Rock" case being the first), Prince started to withdraw from the press. He thought he would "get back" at WB for trying to limit his output. Yet, what did he end up doing? I mean, he ended up having this "mystique" about him that hurt him. In the 80's that was cool. In the 90's, people called bullshit. And they were right.

I mean the fact is that, beyond the positive or negative reviews, interviews, and critiques, the critics have most always loved Prince's music, and their reviews have reflected that. So have the fans. I mean, even the fans didn't buy into the mystique; not after a while. I mean, it was fun for a minute, but it got old after a while.

It's juvenile to say that a band like Pearl Jam, which released every one of their 72 concert dates on CD for fans, or U2, which streams full concerts live on YouTube at NO COST, "blows chunks". I mean, Prince could learn something by simply going to these band's sites and exploring how they do business. Critics, and fans, wouldn't balk at his constant attempts in the internet based consumer product market. I'm no fan of Pearl Jam, and I can take or leave newer U2 stuff, but I am grown enough to recognize

I mean, there's no doubt Prince is a force to be reckoned with; at least he was at one time. It varies really. I mean, sometimes he's on the money, sometimes he misses the mark. It happens. The man isn't invincible. (MJ showed that theory to the false.) He's just a dude who is incredibly talented, but incredibly limited in some regards. I mean, there's also no doubt he still gets respect from fellow musicians. When he stands up against Mr. Man, how does one expect Mr. Man to react to that? People will only put their hand out so often and get it slapped, before they stop putting it out at all.

I mean, seriously.

PS Madonna gets more respect because she's consistent, she's friendly, she knows how to promote herself and her project when its necessary. She doesn't beat around the bush, blather on about chemical trails in the sky, Jevovah Witness bullshit, etc. Sure, she's had her political or religious moments, but it ended up causing controversy, not vitriol, among fans and critics. And as they say, any press is good press. Obvious that's true to some extent, as her popularity and record sales and fan base far outweight Prince's at this point. Interesting that she watched Prince closely when she started out, and modeled a lot of her career choices on what he had done. Now the student is the teacher, and the teacher - the student.

especially the last line...is non-sense.