1999. His 2nd album went platinum.
So yes, he was a multi-platinum artist. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Four times platinum actually.
And to the person who said SOTT was a failure - it sold more than 1999 in the US, by a million at least. | |
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Makes me think of Austin Powers:
[img:$uid]http://www.sofacinema.co.uk/guardian/images/products/screenshots/7/1587-1-large.jpg[/img:$uid] "It's a man, baby."
Wow. That's quite shocking.
Sorry Joe, lol. "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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I think an anniversary tour of Purple Rain with the Revolution would make shit loads of money. But I don't think he needs them to be star again, but it would probably help. I still play pokemon. I play warcraft. And I'm awesome. | |
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I'm a bit 2-sided with regards to the aove. 50% of me thinks "yes he needs The Revolution", 50% of me thinks that we wouldn't have known them if it wasn't for prince. so in a way i think they all need each other... i don't know, i really don't know. the good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge ~ Bertrand Russel | |
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He just need a record deal and be back on Radio again. You can tell about Prince's Future , but his Past is utterly unpredictable | |
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I admit,the idea of a Revolution reunion is intriguing (for the 80s nostalgia factor) but I don't see it happening anytime soon. | |
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He needs people who are going to help him get out of his creative rut......Wendy and Lisa could do the job but so could others if only he listened. | |
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What evidence do you have that anyone from the '80's, let alone the Revolution, could be any help? Have you noticed there is a small shortlist of folks from the '80's that are still going strong? Som as a joke but fewer as legitimate creative and commercial draws. Prince is in the latter camp, which suggests to me that any '80's folks would need him a lot more than he'd need them. | |
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Even if they were to do a "together one more time" performance/tour,, it is only natural that it would make money, because fans from the 80s, would come out of the woodwork to see them together one last time, to relive their memories. It still will not bring back what was. You will also get new fans who will listen to the 80s material (songs/vids), to get to know more about the Prince of the 80s, and start requesting, just like you see here on this forum from time to time from younger/new fans, wishing they could get a chance to see the Prince of the 2010, be the Prince of the 80s. Then you have fans who wishes he stops playing 80s material, and play new music, vs some older/seasoned fans requesting he perform/sing like he did in the 80s. It's a cycle that will never quit among Prince fans.
It was because of the movie "Purple Rain" that people will always associate Prince with those particular Revolution band members, and that is why they are remembered more than the other band members. Of course the band members that were in the "Sign of the Times" movie may not be remembered/associated with Prince, by younger/new fans, because SOTT was not released internationally like PR was. (Please feel free to correct me on the latter if I'm wrong)..
It was a different era then, with a different feel. Memories will always live on, but you can't keep trying to make the past come back to fill a void that can only be filled with "memories". You're not going to get Prince doing splits, and making sexual moves across the stage like he did back then. In previous performances, he always mix some songs of the 80s/90s, and he changes the way some were sung back then, but that will never be enough for Prince fans. Lets's face it, many Prince fans will always ask for more, and more will never be enough for them.
The problem is not Prince, it's many of his fans who can't seem to move on and embrace the Prince of today, while appreciating what he did during the 80s/90s were for those eras. Life changes and moves on just like music. Fans can always go back in their catalogue of music, play the songs and videos of the 80s and relive and fill that void they're so badly missing. Just my two cents. | |
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I have to agree with 2elijah's sentiments on this for the most part.
I absolutely do not believe that the Revolution/ SOTT band were the only true reflection of Prince's vision/image.
Prince always has been and always will be multi-faceted and his vision and image will evolve accordingly. The fact that an individual may identify more with one era over another is purely subjective IMO.
I've been around since '82 and while I appreciate what the Revolution brought to the table as a band and as individuals, I never became attached to any of them as personalities, so when Prince was ready to move on from that particular shade of purple, I was ready too.
Prince's versatility and his ability to change direction is one of the things I like most about him because I like variety. For me there was some material from the so- called "golden era of the 80s" that I thought was whack and by the same token there is more recent material that I love to death.
Furthermore, to address the original question, Prince being an established star transcends any of his various bands. His mainstream exposure or lack thereof has more to do with his unwillingness to play nice with the suits than the quality of his work.
A lot of people get attached to one or two eras, which is fine, but by now it should be evident that Prince's art and mode of expression is in constant flux and won't be bound by our individual tastes or expectations.
In other words, I do not miss the Revolution or any other former associates for that matter. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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a) I did not say that Prince needs The Revolution to arrange/produce etc. new good music; I'm talking about the popularity/sales of the whole operation...
b) I did not say that SOTT was a failure; I said it was not a big hit (successful albums of 1987? MJ's Bad , Def Leppard's Hysteria or GM's Faith, for example)
c) I still think that a Revolution comeback plus a BIG TV/Radio/Internet promotional campaign (including snippets of When Doves Cry, Kiss, Raspberry Beret, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain and even 1999 and LRC) could make millions for Prince: first a world tour, and then a new & moderately strong studio album...
d) Obviously the younger (and brainless) generations don't know Prince, but that's not the point. The Police comeback, for example, was HUGE due to the old-school fans, plus some cultish teenagers... I think that a Prince and The Revolution comeback would bring back those Prince "fans" that lost faith/interest in his new music after 1995 (the real cause of his drop in sales)...I mean, nowadays the man has trouble in order to sell at least 500.000 copies of his new albums, but on the other hand he's selling out arenas??? Wtf
e) This hypothetical comeback doesn't mean that Prince has to record/tour with the Revolution for the rest of his days. It could be a limited comeback or something like that, like Springsteen does with the E Street.
e) And, no matter what, a comeback of the Revolution would be nice, to say the least, and I think that ANYONE agrees with me; of course, some of you can say that "ah, fuck Wendy and Lisa, we don't need them" or "man, Bobby and Matt truly sucked" but I DON'T BELIEVE YOU, and deep in your hearts you know I'm right
f) Of course, it ain't gonna happen, so... PEACE:lol: | |
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Well said ernest, a lil one off performance here and there, a little sentimental hankering over the past never hurt anyone, and is good for the soul! | |
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NO,
Maybe he doesn't want to be a "star"again. | |
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And maybe monkeys are going to fly out of my butt.
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When I tell people my favorite band is The Revolution I'm usually greeted with "who?". So there's that. | |
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The question being asked in this thread is based on the incorrect assumption is that Purple Rain was successful because of The Revolution.
Fact is, Purple Rain was pretty much just a Prince album and it wasn't until Around The World in a Day and Parade that The Revolution (mostly Wendy and Lisa) really added anything to the mix. Those albums saw a dip in Prince's popularity/sales when compared with Purple Rain.
The Revolution is probably Prince's most famous backing band, but they are still just that...his backing band. They were there at the absolute stratosphere of Prince's fame, but they were not the cause. It is erroneous to compare The Revolution to The Police or The E Street Band because they never were to Prince (or the general public) what The Police is to Sting or The E Street Band is to Bruce. Read the linear notes. Purple Rain is popular because of Prince. It was his moment and he shared it with his friends.
Lastly, Prince is still a superstar recognized worldwide and has been since 1984. Can you say the same of any member of The Revolution? I love me some Girl Bros, but you don't see them in the Rock N Roll hall of fame... "New Power slide...." | |
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Tell them AGAIN............. | |
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Well he hasn't stopped being a star. He's established in that regard. The Revolution won't make a bit of difference right now, and he really doesn't need them.
This sounds wicky wacky, but he's got to find his authentic self, and make music from that place. | |
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I think Prince needs Wendy (with or without Lisa). Yeah, call me crazy but I just feel he needs to be around Wendy. I always felt like a 'hidden' chemistry between them both?! Yeah, for some strange reason I just feel that he needs Wendy. I can't explain why. Don't even know if it's an idea worth talking bout, but.. I just feel it
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Does Wendy need Prince? | |
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Dunno if she needs him, but she wants him 2 need her.. and as long as she knows that he needs her even if he ain't showing it, she's fine.. and Prince knows that she wants him 2 need her, and that kinda pisses him off.. cus he can't do anythin' bout it.. on the other hand he doesn't want 2 do anythin' bout it.. eye always felt there was a tension between them.. kinda like a hidden passion u know.. like a passion that both were feeling but were afraid to let loose cus they both didn't know what would happen.. and yes eye know that eye am outta my mind.. May you rest in peace, my beautiful queen, Teena Marie | |
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1-800-GET-A-DOCTOR. | |
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Prince, with or without The Revolution, will never be as big a star as he was in the 1980s because the 1990s and 2000s were, and still are, the shit hop era. Even if he sells out to it, this is the most homophobic era of music and the little assholes see Prince as "the fag" so he'll never be successful in an era where thug and criminal images rule and "fag" images are hated unless they are used in degrading ways. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Fair enough, but your post almost lost all its credibility with that final sentence: if we have to trust RNR Hall of Fame as a legitimate judge of what is good/popular, then music is in real trouble...
And while you're partially right (The Revolution was just a backing band) IT IS his most famous backing band of all time, even after all these years. As I said earlier, I don't care if the younger generations don't know them. Many people born between 1965 and 1975 still remember them, and any cultish teenager with a serious knowledge in pop music also know them. That's why I think a comeback would be successful.
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I'm not sure he needs Wendy. However, does he make great music with Wendy and Lisa? Of course he did, and probably could again. It wasn't that W&L were some great set of phenoms that Prince happened across. It was that it just clicked. It's the same way Lennon and McCartney, two random folks, clicked when it came to writing some of the most well known songs man has ever heard. Same goes for many songwriting teams. Jam & Lewis. John & Taupin. The list goes on, and is quite varied.
It wouldn't hurt him to get W&L back up there, work on some music w/ the band, and have some kind of great, new, organic thing come of it. Even when Wendy & Lisa played guitar on "Purple Rain" at the Brit Awards, it sounded just like it did 25 years ago. I've never heard PR sound that great since the PR tour.
So there's no denying there's a magic there among the three of them, and they know it. The whole band had that. Prince also had a great chemistry with Sonny, Michael B., Tommy, and Morris Hayes. The mid 90's were just as prolific (with the plethora of released and bootlegged material) as the 80's were.
And think about this. The version of The Revolution we love was around from 1983-1986. Three short years, yet look at that impact. People STILL go back to that. It's not because of Purple Rain, it's because of the band. They just worked well together. Now fast forward to 1993-1996. (Exactly 10 years later, as it happens.) Prince has one of the best, if not the best, incarnation of New Power Generation, and they make incredible records; records that can fully and rightfully challenge music from 10 years before.
Prince has chemistry with certain groups of folks, and I've noticed it's sometimes with people he's known a long time. He knew Sonny a long time, from childhood. He knew Andre from early on, and Fink and Z were the older folks in the group and were around the longest, even beyond Lisa. The chemistry is with Wendy, and Lisa - but not just with them. | |
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Broke my heart when he gave "the guitarsolo-kiss" to Támar or whoever that was instead of giving it to Wendy (like he did on purple rain).. May you rest in peace, my beautiful queen, Teena Marie | |
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uh like I said, 1999 = Prince & the noituloveR - Wendy Melvoin same band mostly so that 1999 platinum album is mostly the members of the Revolution. by they way Wendy was in the camp and sang back up on Free & Irresistable Bitch,
You said LONG after they disbanded and that is where my doubts lie | |
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I agree, and Tamar and the Twinz were just in the way, they looked beautiful, but they should have been on backdrop stage sorta behind the band.
That whole arrangement was beautiful and was the result of Wendy Lisa & Sheila just dropping by Prince's place a few times and jamming on instruments lol like the good ole days | |
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which albums went platinum beyond SOTT?
Yeah there was no way SOTT was a failure, the only failure is that it could have been bigger if Prince listened 2 WB and promoted it more | |
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