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Thread started 05/28/10 11:52pm

poetcorner61

The Sprirtual Meaning Behind the "Lovesexy" Album

I find upon closer listening to "Lovesexy," that I understand Prince's lyrics, confusion, and the mix of the sacred and profane on this album much better than I did at first. Although I never heard this LP during that phase of my life, only recently, I realize that I was actually living this strange mix of spirituality and social/sexual freedom during that time and, upon reflection, I understand now the mixed message he was sending in that album about searching/defining belief in God, sex, relationships, and society. Very strange...but I understand it even more when I hear live performances from the time such as Live at the Rainbow Room in Nagoya, Japan. Terrific! What do you think?

Set list:

1. Intro
2. housequake/the A train
3. slow love
4. adore
5. delerious
6. jack u off
7. sister
8. do me, baby
9. adore (reprise)
10. i wanna be ur lover
11. head
12. girls & boys
13. a love bizarre
14. when u were mine
15. little red corvette
16. controversy
17. u got the look
18. superfunkycalifragisexy
19. controversy (reprise)
20. bob george/cross the line
21. anna stecia
22. cross the line

1. Interlude
2. eye no
3. lovesexy
4. glam slam
5. the cross
6. i wish u heaven
7. kiss
8. dance on
9. sheila e. drum solo
10. when 2 r in love
11. venus de milo
12. starfish & coffee
13. raspberry beret
14. strange relationship
15. under the cherry moon/condition of the heart
16. international lover
17. when 2 r in love
18. when doves cry
19. purple rain
20. 1999
wildsign music headbang biggrin
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Reply #1 posted 05/29/10 12:01am

BoySimon

The closest I have come to agreeing with Prince's relationship with God. I found the whole era a very uplifting and joyous celebration of Prince as a musician and Prince as a person. At his creative zenith. I find it a shame his religious inclinations have taken him away from this quite 'pagan'/individualist, but 'real', appreciation of spirituality. But, that's just my take.
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Reply #2 posted 05/29/10 12:05am

poetcorner61

BoySimon said:

The closest I have come to agreeing with Prince's relationship with God. I found the whole era a very uplifting and joyous celebration of Prince as a musician and Prince as a person. At his creative zenith. I find it a shame his religious inclinations have taken him away from this quite 'pagan'/individualist, but 'real', appreciation of spirituality. But, that's just my take.


Actually, I don't find it "pagan" at all..but more of a real personal search/journey for what we consider as "God"...which makes the whole experience of the music more real and personal for the listeners...whatever their beliefs. Much more inspiring and accessible than later works... wink
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Reply #3 posted 05/29/10 12:22am

poetcorner61

There is no one phrase that can define 30 years of Prince's best music--but if I had to define it in a phrase it would be that it is multi-textured music from different influences that cleverly combines spiritual/social/personal themes in an unforgettable conglomeration that has spanned decades and continues to be meaningful to old and new listeners. And, that is sayin' a whole lot! cool
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Reply #4 posted 05/29/10 12:39am

BoySimon

I find it 'pagan' in a sense of the word that probably doesn't actually mean 'pagan'... I meant in a non-denominational kind of 'God'. I think of this as Prince's last personal relationship/understanding with/of the God he would like to relate to... after that, it's all dogma and doctrine... hey ho.

Still, I always go back to Lovesexy when I'm after Prince's music at its finest - SOTT-Black-Lovesexy. Simply brilliant.
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Reply #5 posted 05/29/10 12:48am

poetcorner61

BoySimon said:

I find it 'pagan' in a sense of the word that probably doesn't actually mean 'pagan'... I meant in a non-denominational kind of 'God'. I think of this as Prince's last personal relationship/understanding with/of the God he would like to relate to... after that, it's all dogma and doctrine... hey ho.

Still, I always go back to Lovesexy when I'm after Prince's music at its finest - SOTT-Black-Lovesexy. Simply brilliant.


Yeah, I agree with you on that--I think Prince made his finest music when he was on his spiritual quest...but then maybe he needed to arrive at a destination eventually...and I don't begrudge that, why should I, when there is all this great music I'm still discovering! I don't begrudge anyone for their spiritual journey or their destination...that would be really a selfish thing to do! But in saying that, I have to say that the music I continually go back and listen to are the older songs/or songs he sings live. cool
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Reply #6 posted 05/29/10 1:38am

BoySimon

You're right, Poet..., to deny someone a destination would be churlish... I often find myself, however, wishing that the destination, in this instance, wasn't so formulaic or predictable, or conformist. That said, as you so rightly pointed out, we will always have the music.
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Reply #7 posted 05/29/10 1:54am

poetcorner61

BoySimon said:

You're right, Poet..., to deny someone a destination would be churlish... I often find myself, however, wishing that the destination, in this instance, wasn't so formulaic or predictable, or conformist. That said, as you so rightly pointed out, we will always have the music.


I think the trick, whether it comes to music or any artistic endeavor or, for that matter, life itself is to try and keep yourself open to other influences--not that they change what you believe and live--but because that openness can keep you supple and flexible and contribute to, as well as enhance, what you already live and believe. That is the secret of "staying young and relevant." Not whether you have a certain "look" or "sound." My plug for the weekend!lol
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Reply #8 posted 05/29/10 2:27am

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to me the album means 'i wish u heaven cuz when u wish upon a star ur dreams come true'
this too shall pass
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Reply #9 posted 05/29/10 3:01am

BoySimon

The irony being, of course, that Prince has closed door after door, and is now less open minded than he was towards the end of the 80s.
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Reply #10 posted 05/29/10 5:27am

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The music of this era/album was almost like a release of sorts: It was bouncy(Alphabet St), joyous(Glam Slam), and celebratory(Anna Stesia) without being too preachy.

It was like an extended confession/thank you note he created for a higher power with his eyes towards heaven, but his mind very much in the society around him.

Even the live performances of this era had a radiance to them that no other era really captured.
"Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish."
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Reply #11 posted 05/29/10 6:51pm

4bjb

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

The music of this era/album was almost like a release of sorts: It was bouncy(Alphabet St), joyous(Glam Slam), and celebratory(Anna Stesia) without being too preachy.

It was like an extended confession/thank you note he created for a higher power with his eyes towards heaven, but his mind very much in the society around him.

Even the live performances of this era had a radiance to them that no other era really captured.


I like this "topic"....Lovesexy is heaven/Prince is extending his entire being to God.
Lemme
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Reply #12 posted 05/30/10 3:00am

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The line that sums it up for me is "But my Lord he is so quiet, when He calls your name, When U hear it your heart will thunder U will want 2 hear it every day". It gave me the idea that the right thing is not always the one that is blaring the loudest at the moment, the Lord moves in strange ways and not in the most obvious.
"So fierce U look 2night, the brightest star pales 2 Ur sex..."
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Reply #13 posted 05/30/10 6:57am

ernestsewell

poetcorner61 said:

I find upon closer listening to "Lovesexy," that I understand Prince's lyrics, confusion, and the mix of the sacred and profane on this album much better than I did at first. Although I never heard this LP during that phase of my life, only recently, I realize that I was actually living this strange mix of spirituality and social/sexual freedom during that time and, upon reflection, I understand now the mixed message he was sending in that album about searching/defining belief in God, sex, relationships, and society.

There's a couple of things Prince was attempting to do during this time.

1) Obviously Lovesexy was an answer to The Black Album. Dark vs. Light. Good vs. Evil.

2) Prince claimed he saw God and that's why he wrote Lovesexy, and stopped shipment of The Black Album. However, a certain medical band member told me that Prince was tripping on X, and that he had become paranoid. Prince told Gilbert Davison he thought the devil, or a demon, was after him; that he saw a demon after him a lot. Gilbert relayed that to the band member.

3) The Lovesexy Tour book had the long story about Camille, and how he lashed out against his critics who said he was no longer funky, and had lost his edge in music. Camille lashed out and made The Black Album. "Let the Black album fly!" Spooky Electric was the bad influence (the devil). Then Camille saw the error of his ways, and created Lovesexy. The tour showed echoed that. If you step back and look at the songs, and the show, it's obvious.

Act I of the show was very "black and white". There weren't a whole lot of colors, and what color there was tended to be harsh and garish, whether it was a clear spotlight, harsh reds, etc. Even Prince, Sheila, and Cat's costumes were mainly black and white, albeit with spots of color here and there. All the songs are harsher songs, like "Erotic City", "Escape", "When You Were Mine", "Head", "Dirty Mind", etc. It really wasn't a big medley as some have diminished it to being. Yes it was a medley, but it was also cleverly (sic) arranged songs, showing his quest for the flesh. His character was lusting after Cat's character. He tried to say everything to her to get her in bed, and even tried to impress her with his basketball skills. (HA) It's all very flesh and carnal in nature devoid of any balance or spirituality. The pursuit of the flesh is reflected in that the song arrangements being hectic, and damn near at a manic pace, whereas the second act had fuller, and more complete versions of the songs.

It ends with the character of Camille (Prince) turning into the worst version of himself. He sings stuff from The Black Album like "Superfunkycalifragisexy", and then lands in "Bob George". He murders his girlfriend that he's pined for through the whole first act. Camille then "sees the light" of "Anna Stacia".

When Act II opens, flowers and all sorts of foliage pops up from around the stage. The colors of the show change greatly. It's like Dorothy opening the door to Oz. The whole band rises from under the stage, as if being born from the earth like Adam. Prince looks up to the light and smiles, as if basking in the presence of God Himself. Act II focuses on more positive songs like "Eye No", "Lovesexy", "The Cross", "Purple Rain", "Let's Go Crazy", plus some of the hits like "When Doves Cry", and "Kiss".

The whole thing was just about rebirth and his alleged spiritual enlightenment he felt he had experienced. He would still distance himself (a bit) from the saucier songs by crediting "Scarlet Pussy", the B-side to "I Wish U Heaven", to the Camille character. Even during interviews he said that he played the songs in the first act because that's what people wanted, and expected to hear. But it was the second act that was the real meaning of it all.

I know not everyone "got" all that when watching the show, but Lovesexy has always had a special spot in my heart, because it was the first Prince concert I ever attended. I was SO into that album at the time, and when I finally got a copy of Dortmund years later, I relived it everytime I watched the tape. So yeah, my two cents.

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Reply #14 posted 05/30/10 9:08am

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ernestsewell said:

poetcorner61 said:

I find upon closer listening to "Lovesexy," that I understand Prince's lyrics, confusion, and the mix of the sacred and profane on this album much better than I did at first. Although I never heard this LP during that phase of my life, only recently, I realize that I was actually living this strange mix of spirituality and social/sexual freedom during that time and, upon reflection, I understand now the mixed message he was sending in that album about searching/defining belief in God, sex, relationships, and society.

There's a couple of things Prince was attempting to do during this time.

1) Obviously Lovesexy was an answer to The Black Album. Dark vs. Light. Good vs. Evil.

2) Prince claimed he saw God and that's why he wrote Lovesexy, and stopped shipment of The Black Album. However, a certain medical band member told me that Prince was tripping on X, and that he had become paranoid. Prince told Gilbert Davison he thought the devil, or a demon, was after him; that he saw a demon after him a lot. Gilbert relayed that to the band member.

3) The Lovesexy Tour book had the long story about Camille, and how he lashed out against his critics who said he was no longer funky, and had lost his edge in music. Camille lashed out and made The Black Album. "Let the Black album fly!" Spooky Electric was the bad influence (the devil). Then Camille saw the error of his ways, and created Lovesexy. The tour showed echoed that. If you step back and look at the songs, and the show, it's obvious.

Act I of the show was very "black and white". There weren't a whole lot of colors, and what color there was tended to be harsh and garish, whether it was a clear spotlight, harsh reds, etc. Even Prince, Sheila, and Cat's costumes were mainly black and white, albeit with spots of color here and there. All the songs are harsher songs, like "Erotic City", "Escape", "When You Were Mine", "Head", "Dirty Mind", etc. It really wasn't a big medley as some have diminished it to being. Yes it was a medley, but it was also cleverly (sic) arranged songs, showing his quest for the flesh. His character was lusting after Cat's character. He tried to say everything to her to get her in bed, and even tried to impress her with his basketball skills. (HA) It's all very flesh and carnal in nature devoid of any balance or spirituality. The pursuit of the flesh is reflected in that the song arrangements being hectic, and damn near at a manic pace, whereas the second act had fuller, and more complete versions of the songs.

It ends with the character of Camille (Prince) turning into the worst version of himself. He sings stuff from The Black Album like "Superfunkycalifragisexy", and then lands in "Bob George". He murders his girlfriend that he's pined for through the whole first act. Camille then "sees the light" of "Anna Stacia".

When Act II opens, flowers and all sorts of foliage pops up from around the stage. The colors of the show change greatly. It's like Dorothy opening the door to Oz. The whole band rises from under the stage, as if being born from the earth like Adam. Prince looks up to the light and smiles, as if basking in the presence of God Himself. Act II focuses on more positive songs like "Eye No", "Lovesexy", "The Cross", "Purple Rain", "Let's Go Crazy", plus some of the hits like "When Doves Cry", and "Kiss".

The whole thing was just about rebirth and his alleged spiritual enlightenment he felt he had experienced. He would still distance himself (a bit) from the saucier songs by crediting "Scarlet Pussy", the B-side to "I Wish U Heaven", to the Camille character. Even during interviews he said that he played the songs in the first act because that's what people wanted, and expected to hear. But it was the second act that was the real meaning of it all.

I know not everyone "got" all that when watching the show, but Lovesexy has always had a special spot in my heart, because it was the first Prince concert I ever attended. I was SO into that album at the time, and when I finally got a copy of Dortmund years later, I relived it everytime I watched the tape. So yeah, my two cents.

Thanks for that bit of info and explanation ernest ...

Peace ... & Stay Funky ...

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Reply #15 posted 05/30/10 9:14am

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ernestsewell said:

Prince told Gilbert Davison he thought the devil, or a demon, was after him; that he saw a demon after him a lot.

there probably was. there's some pretty trippy fans out there.

this too shall pass
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Reply #16 posted 05/30/10 12:34pm

specdude

LOVESEXY is the word that will always define Prince and his music. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! flipped off

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"However, a certain medical band member..." smile

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