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Thread started 01/22/03 6:15pm

Essence

Prince refuses sample permission to "The Orb"

Prince wouldn't allow clearance for a song which sampled "Pop Life" much to their annoyance.

From Teletext.
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Reply #1 posted 01/22/03 11:48pm

IstenSzek

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I still tend to get "The Orb" and "Orbital" mixed up. I can
never remembe which one of them did "Little Fluffy Clouds".

I'm pretty sure that the FSOL didn't ask permission for the
use of the "eye no" opening scream sample in one of their
songs. If it's not going to be a single, there's very little
chance of anyone finding out anyway.

Unless some twisted fam sends a copy of such tracks to PP.

I've also heard a Prince sample in one of "Eat Static"s
songs, but can't remember which one. But they use so many
darn samples it's hard to keep track.

"tell them they've picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines".
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Reply #2 posted 01/23/03 12:11am

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IstenSzek said:

Unless some twisted fam sends a copy of such tracks to PP.


Well, thank Whatever we do not have such people HERE...
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Reply #3 posted 01/23/03 2:04am

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Wow - someone who knows Eat Static!!! I'd be interested to hear which track samples Prince though, not sure I'm familiar with it (unless your talking about Follow That Camel, which has a Princely guitar lick, a la Erotic City)!

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Reply #4 posted 01/23/03 6:58pm

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Some of us know great psych like Les Rallizes Denudes and important stuff like La Monte Young, Faust, Guru Guru, Nam June Paik, Thomas Koner, Rodelius, Raster Music etc...smile
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Reply #5 posted 01/23/03 7:24pm

Abrazo

I think this sucks. Why Prince? Jealous of "Little fluffy clouds?"
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Reply #6 posted 01/23/03 7:47pm

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I think it's really stupid that Prince keeps refusing permission to sample his work. It seems like a very good way to get the youngsters exposed to his work. Hook them in with a sample used by someone else, and then expose them to what YOU'RE really about.

That, and it'd be a great source of income for him. He can't keep up the rock star lifestyle on $100 a year from his most die-hard fans.
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Reply #7 posted 01/23/03 8:36pm

Batdance

AaronUnlimited said:

I think it's really stupid that Prince keeps refusing permission to sample his work. It seems like a very good way to get the youngsters exposed to his work. Hook them in with a sample used by someone else, and then expose them to what YOU'RE really about.

That, and it'd be a great source of income for him. He can't keep up the rock star lifestyle on $100 a year from his most die-hard fans.


Erm, didn't Pollstar have Prince on their concert earnings list at $7.9 million for the One Nite Alone tour? Touring and income from his catalog brings Prince several million dollars a year.

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Reply #8 posted 01/23/03 8:39pm

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Batdance said:

AaronUnlimited said:

I think it's really stupid that Prince keeps refusing permission to sample his work. It seems like a very good way to get the youngsters exposed to his work. Hook them in with a sample used by someone else, and then expose them to what YOU'RE really about.

That, and it'd be a great source of income for him. He can't keep up the rock star lifestyle on $100 a year from his most die-hard fans.


Erm, didn't Pollstar have Prince on their concert earnings list at $7.9 million for the One Nite Alone tour? Touring and income from his catalog brings Prince several million dollars a year.

batman



Yes, and as I remember, people on this site reacted with a bit of disappointment that it was only $7.9 million.

And income from his catalog is only going to bring in money for him as long as people are buying the stuff. Letting hotter, newer acts sample him will acheive that to some degree. And enlighten a new generation to the fact that he exists at all.
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Reply #9 posted 01/24/03 1:25am

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Of course, artists could just buy the sample cd, no? Wouldn't that be the point? The fact that Prince has already given the opportunity for anyone to own samples of himself for a one-off fee MAY be why he refuses people just looking for rights for one sample.
...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...

My dance project;
www.zubzub.co.uk

Listen to any of my tracks in full, for free, here;
www.zubzub.bandcamp.com

Go and glisten wink
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Reply #10 posted 01/24/03 8:14am

familygroove

IstenSzek said:

I still tend to get "The Orb" and "Orbital" mixed up. I can never remembe which one of them did "Little Fluffy Clouds".

I'm pretty sure that the FSOL didn't ask permission for the
use of the "eye no" opening scream sample in one of their
songs. If it's not going to be a single, there's very little
chance of anyone finding out anyway.


The Orb did Little Fluffy Clouds smile

Indeed, Future Sound Of London sampled Eye No (Accelerator 1992), you can clearly hear the sound and the "everybody everybody knows"-line, it's like the beginning of Lovesexy! wink

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Reply #11 posted 01/24/03 9:56am

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Prince has granted permission for many samples in his career. For some reason though, I think he doesn't like people to touch "Pop Life." He wouldn't let Elvis Costello cover it, and now he won't let the orb sample it. Hmmm...
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Reply #12 posted 01/24/03 11:07am

Abrazo

Mindflux said:

Of course, artists could just buy the sample cd, no? Wouldn't that be the point? The fact that Prince has already given the opportunity for anyone to own samples of himself for a one-off fee MAY be why he refuses people just looking for rights for one sample.


No, the sample set didn't go through. It was a crazy idea anyway.

Prince is just too much into exlusively exploiting his work, even when it concerns samples by other great artists.
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Reply #13 posted 01/24/03 11:08am

Abrazo

jtgillia said:

Prince has granted permission for many samples in his career. For some reason though, I think he doesn't like people to touch "Pop Life." He wouldn't let Elvis Costello cover it, and now he won't let the orb sample it. Hmmm...
Big daddy kane did it.
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Reply #14 posted 01/24/03 11:09am

Abrazo

AaronUnlimited said:

Batdance said:

AaronUnlimited said:

I think it's really stupid that Prince keeps refusing permission to sample his work. It seems like a very good way to get the youngsters exposed to his work. Hook them in with a sample used by someone else, and then expose them to what YOU'RE really about.

That, and it'd be a great source of income for him. He can't keep up the rock star lifestyle on $100 a year from his most die-hard fans.


Erm, didn't Pollstar have Prince on their concert earnings list at $7.9 million for the One Nite Alone tour? Touring and income from his catalog brings Prince several million dollars a year.

batman



Yes, and as I remember, people on this site reacted with a bit of disappointment that it was only $7.9 million.

And income from his catalog is only going to bring in money for him as long as people are buying the stuff. Letting hotter, newer acts sample him will acheive that to some degree. And enlighten a new generation to the fact that he exists at all.


Prince will go down broke if he keeps on overcharging his fans.

After a while people will just leave him alone with his 125$ concert tickets.
You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security.
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Reply #15 posted 01/24/03 1:14pm

Essence

Abrazo said:

jtgillia said:

Prince has granted permission for many samples in his career. For some reason though, I think he doesn't like people to touch "Pop Life." He wouldn't let Elvis Costello cover it, and now he won't let the orb sample it. Hmmm...
Big daddy kane did it.


TQ did too, re-named it "Thug Life".
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Reply #16 posted 01/24/03 2:27pm

ian

Essence said:

Prince wouldn't allow clearance for a song which sampled "Pop Life" much to their annoyance.

From Teletext.


What a jerk! You'd think he'd be flattered.
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Reply #17 posted 01/24/03 3:50pm

Abrazo

Essence said:

Abrazo said:

jtgillia said:

Prince has granted permission for many samples in his career. For some reason though, I think he doesn't like people to touch "Pop Life." He wouldn't let Elvis Costello cover it, and now he won't let the orb sample it. Hmmm...
Big daddy kane did it.


TQ did too, re-named it "Thug Life".


"thug life"... nice way to express homage to the idea of "pop life"...

I don't know... sometimes prince just seems so misguided to me...
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Reply #18 posted 01/27/03 2:57am

Abrazo

another example of Prince's "smart" business moves
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Reply #19 posted 01/27/03 4:38am

IstenSzek

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Perhaps it's something to do with the fact that this is the
only kind of music that Prince really sucks at when he tries to do it.

I bet he contacted them and said "Why use a sample from
an old song if we can perhaps come up with something new together".

I'd like The Future Sound Of London to remix New Power Soul
and make it an organic record. Kind of like The Isness. That
would be amazing.

Or have Plaid and Autechre join up and re-do the whole RAVE
fiasco remix cd.

A Boards of Canada remix of "Digital Garden" and let Orbital
remix "New World" รก la "Technologicque Park". Then Photek
could do a spaced out trip on "Wedding Feast" and Aphex Twin
could cut up and re-do "The Human Body".


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[This message was edited Mon Jan 27 4:42:30 PST 2003 by IstenSzek]
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