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PrintableReading through, I agree with most of the comments made by you guys.
My opinion is that most of the album was decent. May not have been his best work, but a lot of the songs were potential hits. I think that P was not willing to play Clive Davis' games like Santana did. P has always been his own person/artist and does not like having to conform to what is popular at the time. Not to mention, P's style at the time wasn't appealing to the younger crowd. I actually think the cover scared young listeners off. Come on, a 40+ year old wearing pig tails and a catsuit is not what a teen wants hanging on their wall. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: Reading through, I agree with most of the comments made by you guys.
My opinion is that most of the album was decent. May not have been his best work, but a lot of the songs were potential hits. I think that P was not willing to play Clive Davis' games like Santana did. P has always been his own person/artist and does not like having to conform to what is popular at the time. Not to mention, P's style at the time wasn't appealing to the younger crowd. I actually think the cover scared young listeners off. Come on, a 40+ year old wearing pig tails and a catsuit is not what a teen wants hanging on their wall. 
The Planet Earth super-airbrushed picture with the Corset was interesting too. | |
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Not to mention, P's style at the time wasn't appealing to the younger crowd. I actually think the cover scared young listeners off. Come on, a 40+ year old wearing pig tails and a catsuit is not what a teen wants hanging on their wall. Rarely is/was Prince's wardrobe appealing to the youth. You'd have to go back to the early 80's for that. Unless I just happened to miss the wave of kids in 1991 wearing assless pants around town. "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: Not to mention, P's style at the time wasn't appealing to the younger crowd. I actually think the cover scared young listeners off. Come on, a 40+ year old wearing pig tails and a catsuit is not what a teen wants hanging on their wall. Rarely is/was Prince's wardrobe appealing to the youth. You'd have to go back to the early 80's for that. Unless I just happened to miss the wave of kids in 1991 wearing assless pants around town. I agree. However, P's appeal has always been with (mostly) women. If he was trying to appeal to a 20 year old woman while wearing pig tails and a catsuit, then he definitely needed to reevaluate his career and image. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Overall, I think the album rules, and it was basically a shit album. Extrememely forgettable. I have it in my collection, but I rarely pull it out.
Listen to some of the songs... the lyrics are dumbfounded and lazy. Anyone can string along rhymes like those. It was not Prince trying to do anything but blast an easy buck. Everything he has done since RBC has been a vast improvement. Rave and NPS made me feel that Prince needed to just quit. Then he came along with RBC... fresh... Musicology... damn cool... 3121 .... terrific.... Planet Earth .... (seemed like weaker selections from 3121)... but still a good album... and them Lotus... and I am still out on the lotus. Very different collection indeed. Compare any of these to Rave and you have to call Rave a shit album. We are all so full of  here | |
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hollywooddove said: Overall, I think the album rules, and it was basically a shit album. Extrememely forgettable. I have it in my collection, but I rarely pull it out.
Listen to some of the songs... the lyrics are dumbfounded and lazy. Anyone can string along rhymes like those. It was not Prince trying to do anything but blast an easy buck. Everything he has done since RBC has been a vast improvement. Rave and NPS made me feel that Prince needed to just quit. Then he came along with RBC... fresh... Musicology... damn cool... 3121 .... terrific.... Planet Earth .... (seemed like weaker selections from 3121)... but still a good album... and them Lotus... and I am still out on the lotus. Very different collection indeed. Compare any of these to Rave and you have to call Rave a shit album. I don't think anyone is discounting the fact that the album contains weak material....because it does. I don't think that has anything to do with the album bombing, though. A lot of shitty albums become hits. To me, the album has some half-way good songs. I think "Whereever U Go" and "Hot Wit U" had the potential to be a hit. Come on, Lenny K. ripped of "Wherever U Go" for his hit "Again". **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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nursev said:  I wonder how many women would want to be seen with the average Joe in public wearing this get-up, and without panties on top of it? There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin. | |
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TheVoid said: erik319 said: Not the only one, no.  How did I miss this? !!!too cute  | |
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Deadflow3r said: nursev said: I wonder how many women would want to be seen with the average Joe in public wearing this get-up, and without panties on top of it?  but if that average joe could make those rubber bands work I might holla at him
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erik319 said: squirrelgrease said: Am I the only one who thinks the blue suit and hair bows were cool?
Not the only one, no. I like that as well. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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my gut feeling is that they just overdid it; they tried to hard;
Prince is used to doing things on his own, but it seemed like many ppl had a say in the release; it was over-produced to put it that way; also, too many guests...no need 4 that. | |
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NelsonR said: my gut feeling is that they just overdid it; they tried to hard;
Prince is used to doing things on his own, but it seemed like many ppl had a say in the release; it was over-produced to put it that way; also, too many guests...no need 4 that. When you say "they", who are you referring to? Just wondering. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: NelsonR said: my gut feeling is that they just overdid it; they tried to hard;
Prince is used to doing things on his own, but it seemed like many ppl had a say in the release; it was over-produced to put it that way; also, too many guests...no need 4 that. When you say "they", who are you referring to? Just wondering. well, I don't buy the produced by a returned "Prince." it just sounds like he was trying to cater to many peoples demands, and that many people including Clive had a say in the final sound | |
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daPrettyman said: skywalker said: Rarely is/was Prince's wardrobe appealing to the youth. You'd have to go back to the early 80's for that. Unless I just happened to miss the wave of kids in 1991 wearing assless pants around town. I agree. However, P's appeal has always been with (mostly) women. If he was trying to appeal to a 20 year old woman while wearing pig tails and a catsuit, then he definitely needed to reevaluate his career and image. Since 1978, there has been a lot of stuff Prince has put on that don't appeal to 20 year old women...anywhere. The outfits of the entire Lovesexy era comes to mind. "New Power slide...." |
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SoulAlive said: As is the case with many Prince albums,the wrong singles were released.
"The Greatest Romance Ever Sold" is a snoozefest,and then he follows up with another slow song "Man O War"?  What was Clive Davis thinking? Or did Prince have final say?
These songs should have been the singles,in this order... "So Far,So Pleased" "Baby Knows" "Wherever U Go,Whatever U Do" That's three strong singles right there."Silly Game" could have been a fourth single,aimed at R&B radio. Well hell, look who you're talking about here. He's the same old buzzard that was behind the alltime queen of dull that destroyed funk in the first place. Prince needed his ass beat for associating with him in the first place. For that reason alone, I was glad to see the album flop.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Greatest Romance is okay, but it's sort of trying too hard to be the perfect single. In actuality, it has too many parts & takes too long to get to the chorus. I mean, it's good, but I'm just saying as a pop single it meanders too much.
Then what? What else could have been a single? Undisputed? Hot Wit U? Nothing really jumps out except maybe Baby Knows, and that wasn't released with a killer video on VH1 like it should have been. The biggest problem for me is that with a name like Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic, by Prince, coming out in the year 1999, the album is bland & even a little depressing. Not bad, just not exciting. My Legacy
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daPrettyman said: Reading through, I agree with most of the comments made by you guys.
My opinion is that most of the album was decent. May not have been his best work, but a lot of the songs were potential hits. I think that P was not willing to play Clive Davis' games like Santana did. P has always been his own person/artist and does not like having to conform to what is popular at the time. Not to mention, P's style at the time wasn't appealing to the younger crowd. I actually think the cover scared young listeners off. Come on, a 40+ year old wearing pig tails and a catsuit is not what a teen wants hanging on their wall. He looked absolutely rediculous with those damn pigtails. That was the worst he has ever looked. That time and the time during the "Emancipation" era when he wore that rediculous looking shit hop coat with the hood. He looked like a closet queen trying to seduce some rough trade from the local jail. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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NelsonR said: my gut feeling is that they just overdid it; they tried to hard;
Prince is used to doing things on his own, but it seemed like many ppl had a say in the release; it was over-produced to put it that way; also, too many guests...no need 4 that. it was sort of looked at as some inspired comeback album, but in actuality it was just another side of Emancipation. Decent, but not inspired, exactly. My Legacy
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skywalker said: daPrettyman said: I agree. However, P's appeal has always been with (mostly) women. If he was trying to appeal to a 20 year old woman while wearing pig tails and a catsuit, then he definitely needed to reevaluate his career and image. Since 1978, there has been a lot of stuff Prince has put on that don't appeal to 20 year old women...anywhere. The outfits of the entire Lovesexy era comes to mind. The difference between 1978 and 1988 was that P had money and had established his "sex appeal". I remember people having the posters of P from the Lovesexy era on their walls. Even though he looked like Thomas Jefferson meets Andy Warhol. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Pissing off every Press reporter in London probably didn't help the promotion.
Clive Davis talking at length, then playing every track, at the press launch despite the album being released a week before! Then when Prince did his live performance he didn't play any songs from the album (as far as I remember) | |
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james said: Pissing off every Press reporter in London probably didn't help the promotion.
Clive Davis talking at length, then playing every track, at the press launch despite the album being released a week before! Then when Prince did his live performance he didn't play any songs from the album (as far as I remember) I agree. That was one of the things I thought really killed the album. Almost every time he did a performance, he was performing a GCS song more than he was performing any of his "new" stuff. He would do a couple of minutes of his "new" material and 10 minutes of GCS stuff. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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so far so pleased is a poor song, poorly played rhythm guitar with too much distortion. it sounds a mess. plus i still can't decipher what he is saying on most of the tracks. baby knows is the worst for this. plus you cant even hear the co singer.
for an album with a commercial goal it needed a commercial producer, that wouldn't have let those mistakes through to the final mix. |
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vainandy said: He looked absolutely rediculous with those damn pigtails. That was the worst he has ever looked. That time and the time during the "Emancipation" era when he wore that rediculous looking shit hop coat with the hood. He looked like a closet queen trying to seduce some rough trade from the local jail. | |
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For all the criticism of this album, you have to admit that I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore is a classic masterpiece. | |
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stillwaiting said: Uh, maybe a combination of a few things:
1. By 1995, very few Artists over 30 had major hits, as the N Synchs, and Brittknee Speers of the world had cookie cutter lifeless hits. Rappers were given signing bonuses provided the lyrics were about Guns and Weed or full of Drug and Violence references. (Santana had a huge hit with a song he didn't write, didn't sing on, didn't produce....oh yeah, Rob Thomas was under 30 at the time....big shock.) And it wasn't 1995, it was 1999. 2. So Far So Pleased was the most radio friendly thing on the project, and either there were licensing/permission issues with Gwen being on the song, or just more poor marketing by Prince.(Remember...Jughead, Life O The Party, and the Wedding Feast have been released, Moonbeam Levels, Witness, Wonderful Ass, and the original Old Friends 4 Sale have NOT!!!!) 3. Prince probably should have gone the U2 and Michael Jackson road of making fans wait so they would be very hungry for new music...he went the road of releasing tons of stuff. This was great for us die-hards. If you don't think this was a career killer, think of it like this: Sign "O" The Times is probably his best work, but is not even among his 10 best selling releases.(It is if you count the sales DOUBLE, like the RIAA does for it being a "double" release...but in sheer numbers, it was a very very poor seller.) The best of both worlds would have been for Prince to have a major release every 2-4 years, but have HUGE and I mean HUGE box sets every 10-15 years with TONS of discs. By Tons, I mean 30-50 disc sets...but that is Utopia, not Prince reality. 4.Watching Tony M, Damon D, and Kirk Johnson roam around on stage in those Star Trek Next Generation outfits probably scared away potential fans who saw any TV appearence from 1991-1993. 5. Are there any mistakes in my post? If there are mistakes, is it me being a moron, or am I hoping that I am lucky enough for Bart Van Halen to catch them and give me a "For Fuck's Sake.."   I agree with some of those statements, mostly with 3. I mean, Prince released an album (widely acknowledged as a poor album and one he did promotion for along with a major video). It was odd to come out with "Rave" as if people didn't think he had done anything for years! It was a new look (a very odd one even by Prince standards) but "The Greatest..." was a very milquetoast first single (he's done much better ballads/midtempo numbers around that time). He should've came out with something very funky (I honestly categorize the album as pop...is there there anything super funky yet mainstream on there?) or very poppy ("So Far, So Pleased" screamed single even with someone other than Gwen on there). | |
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I don't know why people are bagging on TGRES, it's an awesome song and had massive hit potential. They fucked up with the video and by releasing too many remixes on the single making it eligible for chart entry in Europe.
Radio stations in the UK were playing the fuck out TGRES every single day at the time. It was a huge missed opportunity. | |
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a) Very poor choice of singles
b Misguided promotional campaign c) 3 long years since his last mainstream album (Emancipation), which wasn't very succesful to begin with...in other words, Rave was not strong enough as a comebrack...(in other words, no Smooth, no Maria Maria, no Put Your Lights On,... if you know what I mean...  )
d) At that time, he was already seen as an uncool 80s relic with very limited success during the 97-03 era (more examples? Duran Duran, Simple Minds, Human League, Sting, Debbie Harry, Def Leppard, Whitesnake, etc). ...younger generations didn't care at all, and longtime fans were jaded...on top of that, Prince was also seen, at that time, as an old jerk...perhaps unfairly...(the whole Warners affair, the changing names antics, etc.). d) Prince just hit rock-bottom at that time...personal problems everywhere, midlife crisis, the lost baby, etc...I think he didn't gave a fuck about the fate of the album, specially after Arista's disappointing promotional campaign... the result: an album which was bought just by some hardcore followers, since many other fans just realized how average/uneven the album was (filler everywhere, so-so production) and wisely stayed away from it... Musicology/3121 were TRUE AND STRONG comebacks,... but Rave?...:  [Edited 5/17/10 2:25am]  | |
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Top 10 selling albums of the year in USA Backstreet Boys - Millennium Britney Spears - ...Baby One More Time Shania Twain - Come on Over 'N Sync - *NSYNC Ricky Martin - Ricky Martin Limp Bizkit - Significant Other Santana - Supernatural TLC - FanMail Christina Aguilera - Christina Aguilera Kid Rock - Devil Without a Cause So let's face it, it's not as though the competition was high. In fact if you look at the year both in the UK and the States then you'll notice that it was not a good year for pop in general. Party like it's 1999? More like "Get Smashed and Pretend the Music Never Happened". | |
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JoeTyler said: Musicology/3121 were TRUE AND STRONG comebacks,...
I'm sorry, but what a crock of shit. I would take Rave over Musicology and 3121 any day of the week. There isn't a single track on either of those albums as strong as I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore, TGRES or Strange But True. | |
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well the music was fine so it must be a combo of that blue lycra which was obscene, i didn't know WHERE to look!  ..
& his long rave dvd hair (plaits were ok) not 4getting the pikey riggout/ totp performance & the ever present larry g with his really horrible thick moustache like a rodent just died on his face. all bad 4 business. | |
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