4 those who wonder, it's what's written on Madhouse's "16"'s cover.

Besides the hint at Miles' "directions in music" series (that Prince whould use again on "Xpectations" and "NEWS" as "new directions in music"), i always wondered what "garage music" means here. As far as i know, garage music is a style of rock and was also briefly used in the 80's for a style of house music, but i can't understand what makes "16" a record of "garage music" since it's more jazz-funk.

Anyone knows?

Exactly. It's not that kind of garage music, it's a new direction.

Eiken said:

Come ooooon

Garage is not rock, God forbid. It began mid 90's. It's a UK descendant of US house music. If you want gorgeous garage listen to this, Lisa Cole "Be Sincere" pure garage. Yes kind of loungy, but garage is generally faster than lounge. Hed-Kandi records (UK) disco lounge cds could also classify as garage.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...1&index=38

There is also speed-garage and similar sub genres like jungle for example. Broadly, they all fall under urban music. So far, I don't know where Prince fits in with garage because I don't have the madhouse album.

I believe he was referring to the way it sounded. It sounds like it was recorded in a garage, you can hear the space in the recording.

Garage was indeed rock. Garage music was created in the 60's, 30 years before dance music used the term. Garage 45's go for thousands of dollars on e-bay depending on the title. This, however, is NOT what Madhouse is. I'm not sure why they use the term.

From Wiki:

Garage rock is a raw form of rock and roll that was first popular in the United States and Canada from about 1963 to 1967.[1] During the 1960s, it was not recognized as a separate music genre and had no specific name. In the late 1970s, some rock critics retroactively identified it as an early incarnation of punk rock, and it is sometimes called garage punk, protopunk, or 1960s punk; however, the music style has predominantly been referred to as garage rock.

The term "garage rock" comes from the perception that many such performers were young and amateurish, and often rehearsed in a family garage.[2] Some bands were made up of middle-class teenagers from the suburbs, but some were from rural or urban areas, while others were composed of professional musicians in their twenties.[3]

The performances were often amateurish or naïve, with typical themes revolving around the traumas of high school life and songs about "lying girls" being particularly common.[4] The lyrics and delivery were notably more aggressive than was common at the time, often with growled or shouted vocals that dissolved into incoherent screaming.[2] Instrumentation was often characterised by the use of guitars distorted through a fuzzbox.[5] Nevertheless, garage rock acts were diverse in both musical ability and in style, ranging from crude one-chord music (like the Seeds and the Keggs) to near-studio musician quality (including the Knickerbockers, the Remains, and the Fifth Estate). There were also regional variations in many parts of the country with flourishing scenes particularly in California and Texas.[4] The Pacific Northwest states of Washington and Oregon had perhaps the most defined regional sound.[6]

The style had been evolving from regional scenes as early as 1958. "Tall Cool One" (1959) by The Wailers and "Louie Louie" by The Kingsmen (1963) are mainstream examples of the genre in its formative stages.[7] By 1963, garage band singles were creeping into the national charts in greater numbers, including Paul Revere and the Raiders (Boise),[8] the Trashmen (Minneapolis)[9] and the Rivieras (South Bend, Indiana).[10] Other influential garage bands, such as the Sonics (Tacoma, Washington), never reached the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart.[11] In this early period many bands were heavily influenced by surf rock and there was a cross-pollination between garage rock and energetic and upbeat party frat rock, though the latter is sometimes viewed as merely a sub-genre of garage rock.[12]

The "British Invasion" of 1964-6 greatly influenced garage bands, providing them with a national audience and leading many (often surf or hot rod groups) to adopt a British Invasion lilt.[4] The Invasion also inspired new, and often very raw, bands to form. Garage rock bands were generally influenced by those British "beat groups" with a harder, blues-based attack, such as The Kinks, The Who, The Animals, The Yardbirds, The Small Faces, The Pretty Things, Them,[13] and The Rolling Stones. A handful of British garage bands were formed, the most successful being the Troggs.[14] Another influence was the folk-rock of the Byrds and Bob Dylan, especially on bands such as the Leaves.[15]

[edit] Peak of popularity
Thousands of garage bands were extant in the USA and Canada during the era and hundreds produced regional hits.[4] Examples include: "Fortune Teller" by Des Moines's The Image (1967), "I Just Don't Care" by New York City's The D-Men (1965), "The Witch" by Tacoma's The Sonics (1965), "Where You Gonna Go" by Detroit's Unrelated Segments (1967), "Girl I Got News for You" by Miami's Birdwatchers (1966) and "1-2-5" by Montreal's The Haunted. Boston's Remains, though only able to make it onto Billboard's Bubbling Under charts, had enough of a following and reputation to open for the Beatles during their 1966 U.S. tour.[16] Ohio's Shondells released a minor regional hit in 1964 before disbanding; when it was unearthed by a Pittsburgh DJ in 1965, the resulting success of "Hanky Panky" revived the moribund career of Tommy James, who formed a new group of Shondells and went on to chart seven more Top 40 singles.[17] Several dozen garage bands produced national hit records, including "Surfin' Bird" by The Trashmen (1963), "Louie Louie" by The Kingsmen (1963-64), "Psychotic Reaction" by The Count Five (1966), "Pushin' Too Hard" by The Seeds (1966), "Gloria" by the Shadows of Knight (1966), "96 Tears" by Question Mark and the Mysterians (1966), "Talk Talk" by The Music Machine (1966), "Dirty Water" by The Standells (1966), "Double Shot (of My Baby's Love)" by The Swingin' Medallions (1966), "Respect" by The Rationals (1966), "Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead" by The Fifth Estate (1967), "Let It Out (Let It All Hang Out)" by The Hombres (1967) and "Little Bit O'Soul" by The Music Explosion (1967).

[edit] Decline
Despite scores of bands being signed to major or large regional labels, most were commercial failures. For instance, "Going All the Way" by The Squires was issued on a national label under (Atco) and is now regarded as a genre classic, but was not a hit anywhere.[18] It is generally agreed that garage rock peaked both commercially and artistically around 1966.[4] By 1968 the style largely disappeared from the national charts (the minor hit "Question of Temperature" by The Balloon Farm being a notable exception). It was also disappearing at the local level as amateur musicians faced college, work or the draft.[4] New styles had evolved to replace garage rock (e.g., progressive rock, country rock, Bubblegum, etc.).[4] In Detroit garage rock stayed alive until the early 70s, with bands like the MC5, The Stooges and Death, who employed a much more aggressive style. These bands began to be labelled punk rock and are now often seen as proto-punk or proto-hard rock.[19]

[edit] Revivals
The revival of garage rock can be traced to the release of the two disk Nuggets compilation in 1972 by future Patti Smith guitarist Lenny Kaye, which drew together both commercially successful and relatively obscure tracks from the mid-1960s and whose sleeve notes helped coin the phrase "punk rock" to describe the phenomenon.[20] Iggy Pop and the Stooges, arguably the last garage band, carried garage rock into Proto punk in the early '70s.[5] The mid to late 1970s saw the arrival of the quintessential garage punk bands, most notably The Ramones, who are usually considered the first of the American punk bands.[21]

In the 1980s, another garage rock revival saw a number of bands linked to the underground music scene earnestly trying to replicate the sound, style, and look of the '60s garage bands, including The Chesterfield Kings, The Fuzztones and The Lyres.[22] This trend coincided with a similar surf rock revival, and both styles fed in into the alternative rock movement and future grunge explosion, which some say was partially inspired by garage rock from the Tacoma area like The Sonics and The Wailers, but was largely unknown by fans outside the immediate circles of the bands themselves.[23]

This movement also evolved into an even more primitive form of garage rock that became known as garage punk by the late 1980s, thanks to bands such as The Nouns (Los Angeles, CA), The Gories, Thee Mighty Caesars, The Mummies and Thee Headcoats.[24] Bands playing garage punk differed from the garage rock revival bands in that they were less cartoonish caricatures of '60s garage bands and their overall sound was even more loud and raw, often infusing elements of proto punk and 1970s punk rock (hence the "garage punk" term). The garage rock revival and garage punk coexisted throughout the 1990s and into the 2000s with many independent record labels releasing thousands of records by bands playing various styles of primitive rock and roll all around the world. Some of the more prolific of these independent record labels included Estrus,[25] Get Hip,[26] Bomp!,[27] and Sympathy for the Record Industry.[28]

In the early 2000s, a garage rock revival gained mainstream appeal and commercial airplay, something that had eluded garage rock bands of the past. This was led by four bands, The Hives, of Fagersta, Sweden, The Vines of Sydney, Australia, The Strokes of New York City, and The White Stripes from Detroit, Michigan, christened by the media as the "The" bands, or "The saviours of rock 'n' roll".[29] Other products of the Detroit rock scene included; The Von Bondies, Electric 6, The Dirtbombs and The Detroit Cobras[30] Elsewhere, other lesser-known acts such as Billy Childish and The Buff Medways from Chatham, England,[31] The (International) Noise Conspiracy from Umeå, Sweden,[32] The 5.6.7.8's from Tokyo, Japan,[33] and the Oblivians from Memphis, USA[34] enjoyed moderate underground success and appeal. A second wave of bands that managed to gain international recognition as a result of the movement included Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, The Killers, Interpol and Kings of Leon from the US,[35] The Libertines, Arctic Monkeys, Bloc Party, Editors and Franz Ferdinand from the UK,[36] Jet from Australia[37] and The Datsuns and The D4 from New Zealand.[38]

Daffy's post says it all about garage music as a genre. I don't see any correlation with Madhouse 16 and "garage" music. I actually never noticed that teeny tiny sentence on my CD and it's been years since I pulled out my vinyl copy.

Good question. I think the only person who would/could give an answer to this is Eric Leeds.

squirrelgrease said:

Actually it says it all about "Garage Rock" only as a genre, not "Garage Music."
Wiki classifies Garage Music as http://en.wikipedia.org/w...rage_music

Garage music may refer to:

US garage
UK garage
Speed garage
2-step garage
Garage rock

Click on Garage rock and you discover Garage rock was first. Interesting.

Actually, the 'rock' part is a modern addition. So called 'Garage Rock' was
just called 'Garage' at the time, just like the later house music related genre
was. It's referred to now as 'garage rock' to distinguish it from the dance
music version.

If you realize this, then it's pretty obvious what the subtitle means on the
Madhouse album. It means the same thing, i.e. music created quickly and
independently, often all in one take with minimal overdubs. It's home made
music, literally created in the 'garage' (or any similar private space or
rehearsal room that the makers had access to).

So the subtitle on 16 is a reference to this. It's basically saying "You've had
Garage rock and Garage dance music, well here's something new; Garage jazz music!"

BorisFishpaw said:

Thanks Boris.

I was just pointing out that "Garage" was indeed a style of rock. Someone earlier in the thread said it wasn't rock at all. The term "Garage" was used for rock 30 years before it was a style of dance. That's all I was trying to get across

djdaffy1227 said:

And you were right! It was Squirrelgrease's wording that wasn't quite accurate.