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Thread started 05/10/10 1:53pm

Jatrig

damn! We're getting old

I'm 29. Today, I'll listen to Purple Rain or ATWIAD in my car as loud and proud as I would Jay-Z's latest blue print. But then I thought about it.... Purple Rain came out 26 years ago!!

I remember, when I was a kid around 1986, giving my dad a hard time when I was a kid for listening to the Beach Boys & Neil Diamond on blast all the time. I told him he just listened to "oldies." -- these included people who came out w/ music in the 1960's. But by comparison -- those songs were only 26 years old in 1980's!!

I don't know, it just seems different. Someone listening to "oldies" 1n 1986 that were recorded in 1960 seems different that us, today, listening to Prince albums recorded in 1984.

Questions: (1) Am I just crazy? (2) Is it the nature of Prince's Music or (3) Is it the nature of the music industry and what's relevant these days - as new quality music is harder to come by so we're more ok w/ older stuff?
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Reply #1 posted 05/10/10 3:17pm

dance4me3121

Well,I'm just 20 so I know I'm not old and neither are u. Purple Rain (the album) sounds fresh and hasnt aged at all in my opinion.
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Reply #2 posted 05/10/10 5:07pm

PurpleDiamond2
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hmm good question i really dont understand because artists like Michael Jackson The Jackson 5 Rolling Stones and the Beatles their albums are as old as Prince but yet they are not considered "old" but yet Prince records are hmmm and also for some reason kids these days want to consider a song that came out one or two years ago old eek

i guess it has to do with whats revelent these days shrug but i can assure you that i would most likely be blasting Jay Z TI and Kanye West before i blast any Prince album lol Prince albums are for well..... me lol lol
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Reply #3 posted 05/10/10 5:09pm

PurpleDiamond2
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dance4me3121 said:

Well,I'm just 20 so I know I'm not old and neither are u. Purple Rain (the album) sounds fresh and hasnt aged at all in my opinion.


yay! im not the only young person here lol
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Reply #4 posted 05/10/10 6:45pm

poetcorner61

Jatrig said:

I'm 29. Today, I'll listen to Purple Rain or ATWIAD in my car as loud and proud as I would Jay-Z's latest blue print. But then I thought about it.... Purple Rain came out 26 years ago!!

I remember, when I was a kid around 1986, giving my dad a hard time when I was a kid for listening to the Beach Boys & Neil Diamond on blast all the time. I told him he just listened to "oldies." -- these included people who came out w/ music in the 1960's. But by comparison -- those songs were only 26 years old in 1980's!!

I don't know, it just seems different. Someone listening to "oldies" 1n 1986 that were recorded in 1960 seems different that us, today, listening to Prince albums recorded in 1984.

Questions: (1) Am I just crazy? (2) Is it the nature of Prince's Music or (3) Is it the nature of the music industry and what's relevant these days - as new quality music is harder to come by so we're more ok w/ older stuff?


What a good post! At first, my reaction was to laugh because I was in my late teens in 1984, and for you all to think that you are old is ludicrous! But then I read your post and it is very insightful about age and music! It really is all relative to the culture, context, and time that you live in--otherwise, age is irrelevant. It also has to do with your tastes as an individual.

To answer your questions: (1) You are not crazy; I felt the same way about loving the Beatles and Stones way back when and my friends told me they were passe', old, and irrelevant; (2) It is not the nature of Prince's music because like many musical artists, including the ones I mentioned, their classic music lasts beyond genres and time; (3) This is a question I asked myself and decided to explore new, younger artists. What I found was that--yes, there is a deficit in good new, younger good music that is readily available to music fans through old means of availability--i.e. radio, record stores, etc. But, in reality, there is plenty of young, innovative talent but we don't hear them through old means of sales and communication. But, considering the popular music that plays through conventional means--I have to reluctantly say that it simply is not as good or of the quality of the kind of music that came out in the past... That is not your imagination, and my son, who is 21, agrees with you.

One additional note: I recently had this debate with my son after we went to see a Jeff Beck concert. He argued that there was equally bad music in my time as there is now. I said that's true--we had bad quality music. The difference between now and then is that we had a lot less of the bad quality music and more of the good quality music, in all genres, than what is available to music listeners today!
[Edited 5/10/10 18:56pm]
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Reply #5 posted 05/10/10 7:53pm

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Jatrig said:

I'm 29. Today, I'll listen to Purple Rain or ATWIAD in my car as loud and proud as I would Jay-Z's latest blue print. But then I thought about it.... Purple Rain came out 26 years ago!!

I remember, when I was a kid around 1986, giving my dad a hard time when I was a kid for listening to the Beach Boys & Neil Diamond on blast all the time. I told him he just listened to "oldies." -- these included people who came out w/ music in the 1960's. But by comparison -- those songs were only 26 years old in 1980's!!

I don't know, it just seems different. Someone listening to "oldies" 1n 1986 that were recorded in 1960 seems different that us, today, listening to Prince albums recorded in 1984.

Questions: (1) Am I just crazy? (2) Is it the nature of Prince's Music or (3) Is it the nature of the music industry and what's relevant these days - as new quality music is harder to come by so we're more ok w/ older stuff?


The difference is this: Neil Diamond and The Beach Boys were not really cutting edge and easily lend themselves to being corny.

Had your old man been listening to Sly, James Brown, The Beatles, Jimi, The Stones, The Doors, etc....you wouldn't have been able to give him such a hard time.

Prince is much more of the caliber of the latter artists I mentioned. Yes, he's got huge in the 80's, but Billy Ocean he ain't.

[Edited 5/10/10 19:57pm]
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Reply #6 posted 05/10/10 9:18pm

Cinnie

Ask a six year old if Purple Rain is oldies.
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Reply #7 posted 05/10/10 9:21pm

squirrelgrease

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If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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Reply #8 posted 05/10/10 9:31pm

Cinnie

I still think everything before I was born is "oldies". lol
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Reply #9 posted 05/10/10 9:58pm

nursev

lol
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Reply #10 posted 05/10/10 10:21pm

PurpleDiamond2
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Cinnie said:

I still think everything before I was born is "oldies". lol


falloff yeahthat
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Reply #11 posted 05/10/10 11:24pm

IshmaelB

Jatrig said:

I'm 29....

neutral
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Reply #12 posted 05/11/10 2:31am

dreamshaman32

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I'm 43, and i think everyones experience is different and funny as well. When i was listening to prince as a teen it was to me "the future" but i did not have the dimissive attitude about older artist. My crew was known not just as princeheads but rather eccentric because we were rockin motown and james brown shit too. Recently, for some strange reason i've taken an interest in 80's hair bands and the rock ballads of that period. When i was living it i wouldnt be caught dead rockin that shit because it represented the racial divide at my school and it was the music of rivals-but now purely sentimental. My older cousins were my role models so the p funk stuff rubbed off, but back then we had no idea prince was 10-15 years older than us and he too was rooted in the music of our older siblings.
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Reply #13 posted 05/12/10 8:53pm

IshmaelB

He was the best of many worlds. It was like Sly Stone, James Brown and p-funk meets the Who, the Rolling Stones, the Beatles meets Jim Hendrix and Carlos Santana meets punk rock and new wave... and later with Shelia E, The Family and Madhouse a big dose of jazz... all topped off with a smooth Jackie Wilson finish. He bridged the best of the "old" with the best of the new.
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Reply #14 posted 05/12/10 9:09pm

nickgso

i agree with you...especially as I play his older music for my teenage daughters. Interesting enough they like the old stuff much better than any of his latest CD's. For them, if its not played on the radio or top 10 on itunes then its not good or "old" even if it came out 6 months ago and as we all know you seldom hear any of his new material on the radio.
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Reply #15 posted 05/12/10 9:36pm

Cinnie

PurpleDiamond2009 said:

Cinnie said:

I still think everything before I was born is "oldies". lol


falloff yeahthat

lol and it doesn't matter how old you are, that's how most people define it.

it's all relative!
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Reply #16 posted 05/12/10 9:40pm

SherryJackson

I'm 20. And I will say this...as a music lover and a musician....good music does not get old....it's immortal. It lives forever....
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Reply #17 posted 05/13/10 7:49am

nursev

SherryJackson said:

I'm 20. And I will say this...as a music lover and a musician....good music does not get old....it's immortal. It lives forever....



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Reply #18 posted 05/13/10 7:51am

Genesia

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squirrelgrease said:



I'm stealing that. lol
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
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Reply #19 posted 05/13/10 8:14am

TwiliteKid

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skywalker said:

Jatrig said:

I'm 29. Today, I'll listen to Purple Rain or ATWIAD in my car as loud and proud as I would Jay-Z's latest blue print. But then I thought about it.... Purple Rain came out 26 years ago!!

I remember, when I was a kid around 1986, giving my dad a hard time when I was a kid for listening to the Beach Boys & Neil Diamond on blast all the time. I told him he just listened to "oldies." -- these included people who came out w/ music in the 1960's. But by comparison -- those songs were only 26 years old in 1980's!!

I don't know, it just seems different. Someone listening to "oldies" 1n 1986 that were recorded in 1960 seems different that us, today, listening to Prince albums recorded in 1984.

Questions: (1) Am I just crazy? (2) Is it the nature of Prince's Music or (3) Is it the nature of the music industry and what's relevant these days - as new quality music is harder to come by so we're more ok w/ older stuff?


The difference is this: Neil Diamond and The Beach Boys were not really cutting edge and easily lend themselves to being corny.



[Edited 5/10/10 19:57pm]


The Beach Boys weren't cutting edge? Clearly you haven't heard "Good Vibrations", Pet Sounds or Smile.
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Reply #20 posted 05/13/10 8:44am

dseann

Jatrig said:

I'm 29. Today, I'll listen to Purple Rain or ATWIAD in my car as loud and proud as I would Jay-Z's latest blue print. But then I thought about it.... Purple Rain came out 26 years ago!!

I remember, when I was a kid around 1986, giving my dad a hard time when I was a kid for listening to the Beach Boys & Neil Diamond on blast all the time. I told him he just listened to "oldies." -- these included people who came out w/ music in the 1960's. But by comparison -- those songs were only 26 years old in 1980's!!

I don't know, it just seems different. Someone listening to "oldies" 1n 1986 that were recorded in 1960 seems different that us, today, listening to Prince albums recorded in 1984.

Questions: (1) Am I just crazy? (2) Is it the nature of Prince's Music or (3) Is it the nature of the music industry and what's relevant these days - as new quality music is harder to come by so we're more ok w/ older stuff?


I went through this crisis you're going through 10 years ago when I was 29. I don't blast Prince albums from the car what I blast are Prince compilations. I just love the reactions I get from people. Music seems to lose instrumentation as time goes on. Where producers used to use musicians to create a sound back in the day, sounds are now computer generated thus watering down the musicality of the recording industry. 'Tis a sad thing but true.
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Reply #21 posted 05/13/10 11:07am

skywalker

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TwiliteKid said:

skywalker said:



The difference is this: Neil Diamond and The Beach Boys were not really cutting edge and easily lend themselves to being corny.



[Edited 5/10/10 19:57pm]


The Beach Boys weren't cutting edge? Clearly you haven't heard "Good Vibrations", Pet Sounds or Smile.



Point taken. However, they still lend themselves to being corny more often than not. Surfer music, Kokomo, and playing with Uncle Jesse on Full House overshadowed their innovations in music more than The Beatles ever did.
"New Power slide...."
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Reply #22 posted 05/13/10 12:21pm

IshmaelB

IshmaelB said:

He was the best of many worlds. It was like Sly Stone, James Brown and p-funk meets the Who, the Rolling Stones, the Beatles meets Jim Hendrix and Carlos Santana meets punk rock and new wave... and later with Shelia E, The Family and Madhouse a big dose of jazz... all topped off with a smooth Jackie Wilson finish...
... also disco (the good stuff like Chic) and Janis Ian style "folk pop"
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Reply #23 posted 05/13/10 12:50pm

LORILA

poetcorner61 said:

Jatrig said:

I'm 29. Today, I'll listen to Purple Rain or ATWIAD in my car as loud and proud as I would Jay-Z's latest blue print. But then I thought about it.... Purple Rain came out 26 years ago!!

I remember, when I was a kid around 1986, giving my dad a hard time when I was a kid for listening to the Beach Boys & Neil Diamond on blast all the time. I told him he just listened to "oldies." -- these included people who came out w/ music in the 1960's. But by comparison -- those songs were only 26 years old in 1980's!!

I don't know, it just seems different. Someone listening to "oldies" 1n 1986 that were recorded in 1960 seems different that us, today, listening to Prince albums recorded in 1984.

Questions: (1) Am I just crazy? (2) Is it the nature of Prince's Music or (3) Is it the nature of the music industry and what's relevant these days - as new quality music is harder to come by so we're more ok w/ older stuff?


What a good post! At first, my reaction was to laugh because I was in my late teens in 1984, and for you all to think that you are old is ludicrous! But then I read your post and it is very insightful about age and music! It really is all relative to the culture, context, and time that you live in--otherwise, age is irrelevant. It also has to do with your tastes as an individual.

To answer your questions: (1) You are not crazy; I felt the same way about loving the Beatles and Stones way back when and my friends told me they were passe', old, and irrelevant; (2) It is not the nature of Prince's music because like many musical artists, including the ones I mentioned, their classic music lasts beyond genres and time; (3) This is a question I asked myself and decided to explore new, younger artists. What I found was that--yes, there is a deficit in good new, younger good music that is readily available to music fans through old means of availability--i.e. radio, record stores, etc. But, in reality, there is plenty of young, innovative talent but we don't hear them through old means of sales and communication. But, considering the popular music that plays through conventional means--I have to reluctantly say that it simply is not as good or of the quality of the kind of music that came out in the past... That is not your imagination, and my son, who is 21, agrees with you.

One additional note: I recently had this debate with my son after we went to see a Jeff Beck concert. He argued that there was equally bad music in my time as there is now. I said that's true--we had bad quality music. The difference between now and then is that we had a lot less of the bad quality music and more of the good quality music, in all genres, than what is available to music listeners today!
[Edited 5/10/10 18:56pm]





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Reply #24 posted 05/13/10 1:35pm

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Jatrig said:

I'm 29. Today, I'll listen to Purple Rain or ATWIAD in my car as loud and proud as I would Jay-Z's latest blue print. But then I thought about it.... Purple Rain came out 26 years ago!!

I remember, when I was a kid around 1986, giving my dad a hard time when I was a kid for listening to the Beach Boys & Neil Diamond on blast all the time. I told him he just listened to "oldies." -- these included people who came out w/ music in the 1960's. But by comparison -- those songs were only 26 years old in 1980's!!

I don't know, it just seems different. Someone listening to "oldies" 1n 1986 that were recorded in 1960 seems different that us, today, listening to Prince albums recorded in 1984.

Questions: (1) Am I just crazy? (2) Is it the nature of Prince's Music or (3) Is it the nature of the music industry and what's relevant these days - as new quality music is harder to come by so we're more ok w/ older stuff?



If anything Prince's music opened me musical ears up to different styles of music that I had not interest in before I became a fan of his. I used to love and still love East Coast Hip Hop from the early 80's to now. That's my taste in music. What I can't stand is the so called Hip Hop that's out now. Since P's still making music it's still relevant. We're getting better, not older ... LoL
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