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Reply #30 posted 05/10/10 3:36pm

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Regarding the 1983 recording of 'We Can Fuck', the story of the song being renamed 'Moral Majority' on the studio bill so as not to upset WB is circulating but there are also some statements made by Roy Bennet saying that he was actually asked to contribute backing vox on a song called 'Moral Majority'.

Those vocals were recorded in the studio bathroom for reverb purposes. He said he was leaning on the WC to make room for the rest of the vocalists and accidentally let the water off during the recording.

But I think the intended mislabelling of WCF may also have happened. It's not an unlikely fact at all.
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Reply #31 posted 05/10/10 3:59pm

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vitriol said:

databank said:


All these tracks sound pretty much finished to me.


All right. But what they sound like to you is not the issue here.

As stated, the circulating version of 'The Line' seems to be missing a lot compared to the finished item.

'Possessed #2' seems to have been completed with vocals. What's circulating amongst collectors is a recording of an earlier stage of the song, before those were added.

Same for 'Letter 4 Miles'. Can't remember where I read the circulating version is unfinished, and can't either remember what's missing. But that's something easy to believe.

The fact that something is circulating and that it may sound pretty much finished to you doesn't imply it's a finished thing. It's only that it leaked before Prince was definitely done with it.


I had no clue and i really wonder how these finished songs sound. Where did you get the info on this (not that i doubt it, i'm just being curious)? Now it doesn't really make your point at all: i assume they were finished quite soon after they were recorded as we know them, not 6 years later as would have "WCF" if only "finished" in '89...
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Reply #32 posted 05/10/10 3:59pm

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I've got a great version of WCFunk, that nobody seems to have mentioned - it's basically the GB version (but without George Clinton's overdubs), just Prince and some female backing singers - it's amazing to hear how clearer some of the lyrics are without the Pfunk chanting drowning it out - i personally love this version - as you can hear all Prince's adlibs etc.

There is another version i have which sounds like the BOC version but is a cleaned up mix with echoing/delay vocals by Prince. this is also pretty good.

then of course there is the Pfunk only 'cover' version which is similar to the GB version but with different, more syncopated beats.


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Reply #33 posted 05/10/10 4:04pm

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vitriol said:

Regarding the 1983 recording of 'We Can Fuck', the story of the song being renamed 'Moral Majority' on the studio bill so as not to upset WB is circulating but there are also some statements made by Roy Bennet saying that he was actually asked to contribute backing vox on a song called 'Moral Majority'.

Those vocals were recorded in the studio bathroom for reverb purposes. He said he was leaning on the WC to make room for the rest of the vocalists and accidentally let the water off during the recording.

But I think the intended mislabelling of WCF may also have happened. It's not an unlikely fact at all.
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I have no clue since i'm no researcher. What i've read here (probably from either Per Nielsen or madhouseman's researches?) is that Moral Majority is a Vanity 6 song totally unrelated to WCF (the one Roy Bennet would have been singing on i guess) and that Prince used this title when he recorded WCF a few months later because many songs he'd recorded had such explicit titles that he thought WB would be upset. Now i can't say, i'm just repeating what i've read here.
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Reply #34 posted 05/10/10 4:06pm

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Here's what i found on Princevault.net:
"As the original title We Can Fuck was considered not suitable to put on the work order sheet, engineer Terry Christian initially labeled the song as "The Dawn". When Prince finished work on the song the next day he retitled it "Moral Majority" on the working order, but that was never the actual title of the song. There is a 1982 Vanity 6 song with the title Moral Majority or the 1996 song Welcome 2 The Dawn have nothing to do with We Can Funk."
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Reply #35 posted 05/10/10 5:29pm

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databank said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:



what makes you assume it was ever finished? There are many 'songs' than got started but never finished.


I'm still not sure i get what u mean lol
Prince is known for not going to sleep neither allowing ANYONE to go asleep until he considers a song finished. I don't understand what you mean by "finished", though. A song can be reworked and overdubbed, which is often the case with Prince, but how do you determine an unreleased song is finished unless you have an overdubbed, later, version of it circulating or released?
Except maybe for the acoustic version of "Kiss", i can't think of any circulating outtake that can be considered unfinished as in "just one verse and one chorus" or "just a bass line and a voice".


you know what I mean: the original demo version of 'kiss' was not finished.
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Reply #36 posted 05/10/10 5:38pm

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basically: the early version of the song may well just be the beginning of an idea but never considered by Prince to be compete even as a demo or starting point. Finished would mean prince was pretty much finished with the basic composition and lyrics and had recorded and mixed the major elements. Even if it goes through major changes.

For example: 'the Ball' was finished. I was a song. In its final form as 'Eye NO' was lyrically nearly unrecognizable.
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Reply #37 posted 05/10/10 7:59pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

basically: the early version of the song may well just be the beginning of an idea but never considered by Prince to be compete even as a demo or starting point. Finished would mean prince was pretty much finished with the basic composition and lyrics and had recorded and mixed the major elements. Even if it goes through major changes.

For example: 'the Ball' was finished. I was a song. In its final form as 'Eye NO' was lyrically nearly unrecognizable.


The Ball is one of my favorites... better than Eye No for me.
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Reply #38 posted 05/14/10 10:05am

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Someone got a box of chocolates.


... these song great on this boot
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Reply #39 posted 05/20/10 9:49pm

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vitriol said:

That's why I ask. Nearly everybody talks about 'the original' versions of WCF and WA when they refer the the 1986 versions.

If all that guy got is a box o'chocolates we all already have, he hasn't the original (1983) versions of which only snippets are circulating (and with terrible sound).


Yeah, I have the '83 versions, and the quality DOES suck.
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Reply #40 posted 05/20/10 11:54pm

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"WE CAN FUNK / WONDERFUL ASS / ALL DAY ALL NIGHT" great cuts
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Reply #41 posted 05/21/10 12:27am

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There is another version i have which sounds like the BOC version but is a cleaned up mix with echoing/delay vocals by Prince. this is also pretty good.
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You are talking about the "We Can Funk" included on the "H20" release.

And I agree is a fantastic sounding version.
Probably a little more clean that the BOC version.

Shame only that the beginning is cutted.
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Reply #42 posted 05/21/10 6:09am

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BoraBora said:

lotusflw3r said:

There is another version i have which sounds like the BOC version but is a cleaned up mix with echoing/delay vocals by Prince. this is also pretty good.
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You are talking about the "We Can Funk" included on the "H20" release.

And I agree is a fantastic sounding version.
Probably a little more clean that the BOC version.

Shame only that the beginning is cutted.


Thank you. I was trying to remember which boot that was on. After a while, you end up with 17 different versions in different folders and most of them are the same song but somebody sped up the track, or "tweaked" it, or worse.
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