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Printablerialb said: sexyfunkystrange said: Oh definately, without question I agree with you that the "basics" of blues rock were laid before Jimi. But I think the very ingredient you assign as being "proto heavy metal", is the very essence of the point here. Its not splitting hairs. Its that very ingredient that makes it "ROCK" music. Not rock and roll. Not rocking blues. Blues ROCK! Dylan, Chuck, Canned Heat, Paul Butterfield, etc. Prior to Jimi, they shuffled hard, at best. But they didnt ROCK. You may see Voodoo Chile as proto heavy metal, but thats only because so many heavy metal soloists ( if not all rock guitarists) were influenced by Jimi so enormously. In fact, Stevie Ray Vaughn is a perfect example of this, with him being interpreted as the influence for "Zannalee". Stevie even recorded an incredible cover of Voodoo Chile on his second album. All Im sayin is in composition, sonics and lyrical rythm, from the opening wah wah riff and so on, Zannalee is modeled on Voodoo Chile (Slight Return). Play Zanalee next to Vodoo Chile and compare them for yourself. [Edited 5/9/10 18:43pm] I did exactly that which is what lead me to the thought of "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)" being proto heavy metal. It seems quite a bit heavier than "Zannalee" which is partly due to the drums (as you pointed out). That's also why I thought of "Red House." Obviously "Zannalee" is a bit faster but I hear more similarities between it and "Red House" than "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)." Again, as you pointed out "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)" rocks quite hard where I see "Zannalee" as being a bit more of a groover. I don't know, maybe "Zannalee" is half way between the two songs? With all this emphasis im putting on Voodoo Chile (Slight Return), I dont want it to sound like Im sayin its a carbon copy or thinly veiled note for note copy! Im just sayin the essential structural "model" for a song like Zannalee is rooted in Voodoo Chile (Slight Return). Zanalee of course has its own color. Prince has never been as wild or wailing a player as Hendrix. And Zannalee is a tight, shorter, pop oriented arrangment. But the structure, the model...is right there. Take the extended soloing out and leave the lyric oriented arrangment, ..thats what Im talking about. I would agree with you about Red House, if I heard the same cues. But its too slow, the guitar tone is not as overdriven, it doesnt begin with the wah wah intro, the guitar doesent follow the vocal, etc. | |
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Ok this has gone on long enough. Zanalee is not a tribute to/modeled after anyone/anything specifically. It's Prince doing blues/rock, that's it. It's your typical 12 bar blues and lyrically it's your standard AAB. So in that sense it's just like red house or any other standard 12 bar blues tune, even voodoo chile has the same lyrical format. Only thing does is throw in a little intro riff with wah wah like VooDoo Chile does which pretty much the only part of the song that you can say is hendrix influenced, everything else existed before hendrix came onto the scene. So it's your typical blues format with a more rock style instrumentation hence the name blues/rock. | |
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MajesticOne89 said: Ok this has gone on long enough.
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MajesticOne89 said: Ok this has gone on long enough. Zanalee is not a tribute to/modeled after anyone/anything specifically. It's Prince doing blues/rock, that's it. It's your typical 12 bar blues and lyrically it's your standard AAB. So in that sense it's just like red house or any other standard 12 bar blues tune, even voodoo chile has the same lyrical format. Only thing does is throw in a little intro riff with wah wah like VooDoo Chile does which pretty much the only part of the song that you can say is hendrix influenced, everything else existed before hendrix came onto the scene. So it's your typical blues format with a more rock style instrumentation hence the name blues/rock.
Well, if you want to rain on our parade I guess what you're saying is true but I was having more fun before you had to go and get all logical.  | |
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dance4me3121 said: ernestsewell said: Oh you did NOT just say that! sorry ernest,im only 20 ! You need to start digging!I'm 20 too and I know who SRV was - no excuses | |
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HonestMan13 said: I always thought it was more of a tribute to hot threesomes with cute twins neither of which is Stevie Ray Vaughn.
LOL! Me too. Zanna = Susannah, "....she's got a sister named Fendi" = Wendy. |
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shit im 35 and dont know who the hell steve is and dont care | |
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Taurus said: HonestMan13 said: I always thought it was more of a tribute to hot threesomes with cute twins neither of which is Stevie Ray Vaughn.
LOL! Me too. Zanna = Susannah, "....she's got a sister named Fendi" = Wendy. But Wendy didn't like to be involved in the double team....sexually at least. | |
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cbarnes3121 said: shit im 35 and dont know who the hell steve is and dont care
Now were getting somewhere!! | |
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cbarnes3121 said: shit im 35 and dont know who the hell steve is and dont care
And that's a damn shame. | |
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ernestsewell said: cbarnes3121 said: shit im 35 and dont know who the hell steve is and dont care
And that's a damn shame.  | |
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rialb said: MajesticOne89 said: Ok this has gone on long enough. Zanalee is not a tribute to/modeled after anyone/anything specifically. It's Prince doing blues/rock, that's it. It's your typical 12 bar blues and lyrically it's your standard AAB. So in that sense it's just like red house or any other standard 12 bar blues tune, even voodoo chile has the same lyrical format. Only thing does is throw in a little intro riff with wah wah like VooDoo Chile does which pretty much the only part of the song that you can say is hendrix influenced, everything else existed before hendrix came onto the scene. So it's your typical blues format with a more rock style instrumentation hence the name blues/rock.
Well, if you want to rain on our parade I guess what you're saying is true but I was having more fun before you had to go and get all logical. I couldn't help myself | |
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