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Reply #30 posted 05/11/10 7:51am

purpledoveuk

It's what it says it is..what the whole songs about...
You'll get scoops and scoops of mud but every now and then gold..

The old lady in amongst all the scum bags

The cool relief in the burning fire

the mountain (hardwork) is worth it over the molehill (easy route)

people finding happiness in dispair

as the notes say ,.... He's panning for gold
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Reply #31 posted 05/11/10 7:52am

purpledoveuk

It's what it says it is..what the whole songs about...
You'll get scoops and scoops of mud but every now and then gold..

The old lady in amongst all the scum bags

The cool relief in the burning fire

the mountain (hardwork) is worth it over the molehill (easy route)

people finding happiness in dispair

as the notes say ,.... He's panning for gold
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Reply #32 posted 05/11/10 7:53am

purpledoveuk

It's what it says it is..what the whole songs about...
You'll get scoops and scoops of mud but every now and then gold..

The old lady in amongst all the scum bags

The cool relief in the burning fire

the mountain (hardwork) is worth it over the molehill (easy route)

people finding happiness in dispair

as the notes say ,.... He's panning for gold
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Reply #33 posted 05/11/10 11:21am

NDRU

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iloveannie said:

There is no cold part to a gas flame. What many of you are talking about is the area where the gas is ejected and as such has not ignited. This is not part of the flame. The coolest part of a gas flame is the yellow part (different types of gas produce different coloured flames remember). Feel free to place your finger, nipple, fringe into that part of the flame to see how cold it is.

But as the song is about fire and not flames we should focus on that. The centre of fire is of itself very hot. The material yet to ignite may either be very hot or very cold. It depends on what it is and where it is. Set fire to a bonfire and the inner materials have yet to reach a temperature where ignition takes place. They are not part of the fire. A lump of coal at its centre may be cooler than its burning outer but it sure as hell isn't going to be cold (depending on the size of lump!).

Fire is hot. It always is because that is what defines fire. A material reaches a set temperature and combustion takes place. Before that it isn't fire. After that it is. And it's hot. Very hot.

Prince isn't singing about fire he's singing about the materials yet to catch. And he just chose some words that rhymed. As NDRU pointed out, the eye of a storm perhaps would have been a better topic to focus his lyric on.

It's 9am and I'm always grumpy until at least 10am.


lol okay that may be true, but I think the metaphor still works. "at the center of fire" does not have to be fire itself. If someone said "at the center of the bowl there's a cherry" you wouldn't object that bowls are not cherries.

Whatever the scientific explanation, it is possible to have something cool/cold surrounded by flames. Prince could be the un-ignited gas or the piece of coal. The point of the line is simply that his life from his perspective is not the same as the inferno that appears all around him.
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Reply #34 posted 05/12/10 12:25am

iloveannie

Okay, we all know what he is singing about and why, so should we put this thread to bed now?

NDRU, he sang "centre of fire" not "centre of a fire". Bit like "at the center of the bowl there's a cherry" as opposed to "at the center of bowl there's a cherry" wink

I'm shutting up now.

PS: Woo, go Cameron!
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Reply #35 posted 05/12/10 3:35pm

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iloveannie said:

Okay, we all know what he is singing about and why, so should we put this thread to bed now?


there ya go, it's not about the science or the grammar, he's just making a point about a feeling, and I think we've established that there is a truth to the point, whatever the technicalities
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Reply #36 posted 05/12/10 8:57pm

nickgso

Gold has been and still is one of my favorite Prince songs. In fact i like the entire Cd. Billy Jack Bitch, Eye Hate U, 319 etc. I agree with Mindflux comments.. Cold is just a metaphor that even when things are going well for you it can easily change....although things may appear to be wonderful(I.E. gold or hot) to the outside eyes, a person can be sad, uncertain, disenchanted,(cold) in the midst of great success....So as the song says, all that glitters aint gold





Mindflux said:

ernestsewell said:


Ya'll over thinking stuff again.

I always took it to mean that even in the center of the hottest part of his career, he got the cold shoulder from his record company, or even band.

However, it's sometimes just a lyric.


Perhaps - to me, its always been about supporting the imagery that "everything is not what it seems" - you look at a fire and assume the whole thing to be hot (a wise assumption, as you couldn't get to the cold part without burning yourself!), which, of course, is essentially the moral of the phrase "all that glitters, ain't gold". Not everything is as it seems and certainly not everything that looks good is necessarily so. I would suggest that taking the lyric to mean receiving the "cold shoulder" from people is probably over-extending it. Its just another way of expressing the caution of the tale - i.e. don't take things at face-value.

It is based on science - it is true that the center of a fire is relatively cold. If you have a pile of fuel, like coal, the temperature at the center of that fuel is quite cold, otherwise the entire amount would spontaneously combust. If you wanted to be pedantic, it all depends on the type of fire, fuel distribution and many other factors but, in your average fire, the center and points of ignition are cold in comparison.
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Reply #37 posted 05/13/10 6:32am

iloveannie

Why is the centre being classed as the undesirable area? Fire's take lives and destroy property. It's not really a good thing half the time (of course the other half of the time it's an excellent thing). So for a respite from the heat head to the centre where it's cool and the unfavourable conditions of the outside are diminished.
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Reply #38 posted 05/13/10 10:03am

NDRU

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iloveannie said:

Why is the centre being classed as the undesirable area? Fire's take lives and destroy property. It's not really a good thing half the time (of course the other half of the time it's an excellent thing). So for a respite from the heat head to the centre where it's cool and the unfavourable conditions of the outside are diminished.


I see it more as a "everything is not what it seems" kind of thing, not necessarily bad or good.
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Reply #39 posted 05/13/10 10:16am

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Anyway, whether the center is not actually flame but rather uncombusted material or not, I think the image still makes sense. It's not just a rhyme that he pulled out of his ass with no regard for the actual physical world we live in.



And given that Prince's lyrics often bug me, this one stands out as pretty insightful.
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