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IPR essay on the whole Let's Go Crazy/Youtube thing By a student at the London School of Economics, no less. And funny too:
"Take the case of Stephanie Lenz, a mother from Pennsylvania who filmed a home video of her son dancing around the kitchen of their rural home. She then put the 29 second clip up on YouTube in order to share it with friends and family and over the course of four months it received a modest 28 views. It was then that Lenz received a notification from YouTube that the video had been taken down at the request of Universal Music Publishing Group, for violating their copyright. Unfortunately for Lenz the video, as well as featuring her son, also contained the faint noise of the Prince song ‘Let’s Go Crazy’ in the background, playing on her CD player. Prince, notoriously protective of his music, holds a strong belief that YouTube and other sites should not appropriate his content without consent. In fact, sources claim that Prince is so extremely protective of his work that he “scours” the internet himself looking for copyright infringements; maybe he was viewer number 28.
... The video is now back up and, thanks to the media attention, has slightly more than it’s original 28 views, coming in at just over 1 million. If Prince was annoyed before, he must be livid now." The whole thing is here: http://osubrit.blogspot.c...-doom.html "How embarrasing to be human!"
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Well, the good thing is that now the whole world and not only us fans know what a bit of a stinking c*nt he is... | |
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Not only has the original gone viral with over 1 million views, but there are multiple videos up now with Let's Go Crazy playing in the background, some as cheeky parodies of the original, and some having nothing to do with the original except as an obvious defiance to Prince.
It's actually quite dramatic how explosively this backfired on him and how the Internet community at large (not just former or current Prince fans) have seized this opportunity to make him appear like a court jester of sorts. Prince has had a history of contentious Internet 'episodes' stemming from when he shut down 8 of the original Prince fansites (back in the late 90s), but he's always 'won' those battles even if he didn't win the P&R aspect of them. Now he's losing both. And frankly, I'm tickled. | |
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It's interesting (and for a Prince fan quite embarrassing) that this author choose the Youtube case as an example of how copyright law can stiffle technological innovation in this internet day and age.
That one of the most prolific artists ever, who probably copied his fair share of his favorite artists back in the day as well, is now the epitomy of everything that's wrong with the music industry. He is becoming even less popular with the general public than those music moguls he is so against, except when they pay him big money. The most interesting part of the article is this: The pitfalls and shortcomings of the DMCA and other such IPR legislation are evident; but the real question is why should they exist at all? Intellectual Property Rights are, essentially, negative rights. They prohibit, they don’t permit. They stop creativity from flourishing and hinder development and innovation. The problem is that corporations and organisations fail to see the benefit in allowing their content to be freely distributed in some form, and used for the creation of derivative works. By employing the negative rights of IPR copyright holders are harming society and cultural development, because innovation cannot come to fruition without ‘standing on the shoulders of giants’.
Yes Prince and his efforts to "protect" his work are in essence negative. These rights prohibit and saying no, no, no and never yes to something that could also be seen as positive is simply negative. In essence that also has nothing but negative consequences for him and those who love his music. He doesn't make any more money becasue of it, rather less, because less and less are willing to still support him anymore. He doesn't gain any control with it either. Take it down from one site and it will pop up on ten dothers. He is simply fighting against ghosts he can't conquer. Fighting with his ideas against other ideas, on his own against millions of internet users. | |
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Universal were wrong in the first place but this negative publicity just might work in Prince's favour.
While it's great to put your kid dancing on youtube, I query the volume and intensity of the song for such a young little chap. The new video of them playing kiddy instruments is better for kids imo. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Bohemian67 said: Universal were wrong in the first place but this negative publicity just might work in Prince's favour.
While it's great to put your kid dancing on youtube, I query the volume and intensity of the song for such a young little chap. The new video of them playing kiddy instruments is better for kids imo. Of course it will work in his favour - the term "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is there for a reason. Which is why those that talk of a "backlash" from "millions of internet users" doesn't really have any substance to it. The Beatles and the Stones were villified by the press after their famous drug busts, we all know the kinda publicity MJ suffered for a decade, Tiger Woods' recent embarrasment.....all publicity that could be considered as way worse than what Prince is being ridiculed for here.....did it end ANY of their careers? NOPE! Prince has been "uber-protective" of his music for YEARS now - is he still selling albums and have a career? You betcha! ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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TheVoid said: Not only has the original gone viral with over 1 million views, but there are multiple videos up now with Let's Go Crazy playing in the background, some as cheeky parodies of the original, and some having nothing to do with the original except as an obvious defiance to Prince.
It's actually quite dramatic how explosively this backfired on him and how the Internet community at large (not just former or current Prince fans) have seized this opportunity to make him appear like a court jester of sorts. Prince has had a history of contentious Internet 'episodes' stemming from when he shut down 8 of the original Prince fansites (back in the late 90s), but he's always 'won' those battles even if he didn't win the P&R aspect of them. Now he's losing both. And frankly, I'm tickled.   I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Mindflux said: Bohemian67 said: Universal were wrong in the first place but this negative publicity just might work in Prince's favour.
While it's great to put your kid dancing on youtube, I query the volume and intensity of the song for such a young little chap. The new video of them playing kiddy instruments is better for kids imo. Of course it will work in his favour - the term "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is there for a reason. Which is why those that talk of a "backlash" from "millions of internet users" doesn't really have any substance to it. The Beatles and the Stones were villified by the press after their famous drug busts, we all know the kinda publicity MJ suffered for a decade, Tiger Woods' recent embarrasment.....all publicity that could be considered as way worse than what Prince is being ridiculed for here.....did it end ANY of their careers? NOPE! Prince has been "uber-protective" of his music for YEARS now - is he still selling albums and have a career? You betcha! Did I say it would "end his career"? NOPE! Gotcha Mindflux. It's okay that we disagree on this, just don't claim things that aren't true. What I am saying, and what you know full well because you are an intelligent person that can actually read, is that he is fighting a battle he can't win. It would make much more sense, musically and businesswise, if he would losen up his position a bit and start licensing his stuff, instead of just saying no, no, no, calling everybody a thief and locking up your stuff in some vault so nobody can hear it. THAT's the point that you should adress. Not made up nonsense. | |
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Tremolina said: Mindflux said: Of course it will work in his favour - the term "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is there for a reason. Which is why those that talk of a "backlash" from "millions of internet users" doesn't really have any substance to it. The Beatles and the Stones were villified by the press after their famous drug busts, we all know the kinda publicity MJ suffered for a decade, Tiger Woods' recent embarrasment.....all publicity that could be considered as way worse than what Prince is being ridiculed for here.....did it end ANY of their careers? NOPE! Prince has been "uber-protective" of his music for YEARS now - is he still selling albums and have a career? You betcha! Did I say it would "end his career"? NOPE! Gotcha Mindflux. It's okay that we disagree on this, just don't claim things that aren't true. What I am saying, and what you know full well because you are an intelligent person that can actually read, is that he is fighting a battle he can't win. It would make much more sense, musically and businesswise, if he would losen up his position a bit and start licensing his stuff, instead of just saying no, no, no, calling everybody a thief and locking up your stuff in some vault so nobody can hear it. THAT's the point that you should adress. Not made up nonsense. Obviously Tremolina, Prince has reached an agreement in his favour because in the last 3 months there is so much Prince stuff available on youtube and all networking sites that it'll take years to get thru it. So Prince has obviouslyy lightened up but done it under his terms. Does he still sell out concerts? Yes. Does he need more money? Probably not.So what's the problem? "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Tremolina said: It's interesting (and for a Prince fan quite embarrassing) that this author choose the Youtube case as an example of how copyright law can stiffle technological innovation in this internet day and age.
Lawrence Lessig also begins his recent book "Remix" with this example. | |
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Xpertlover said: By a student at the London School of Economics, no less. And funny too:
"Take the case of Stephanie Lenz, a mother from Pennsylvania who filmed a home video of her son dancing around the kitchen of their rural home. She then put the 29 second clip up on YouTube in order to share it with friends and family and over the course of four months it received a modest 28 views. It was then that Lenz received a notification from YouTube that the video had been taken down at the request of Universal Music Publishing Group, for violating their copyright. Unfortunately for Lenz the video, as well as featuring her son, also contained the faint noise of the Prince song ‘Let’s Go Crazy’ in the background, playing on her CD player. Prince, notoriously protective of his music, holds a strong belief that YouTube and other sites should not appropriate his content without consent. In fact, sources claim that Prince is so extremely protective of his work that he “scours” the internet himself looking for copyright infringements; maybe he was viewer number 28.
... The video is now back up and, thanks to the media attention, has slightly more than it’s original 28 views, coming in at just over 1 million. If Prince was annoyed before, he must be livid now." The whole thing is here: http://osubrit.blogspot.c...-doom.html  I had no clue about the number of viewings before & after 
It seems Prince more or less gave up regulating YT since that... A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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2the9s said: Tremolina said: It's interesting (and for a Prince fan quite embarrassing) that this author choose the Youtube case as an example of how copyright law can stiffle technological innovation in this internet day and age.
Lawrence Lessig also begins his recent book "Remix" with this example. "Great". It really is a prime example of how copyrights should NOT be used. Never thought he would become famous in the legal community because of such a case, instead of his battle with WB. | |
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Tremolina said: 2the9s said: Lawrence Lessig also begins his recent book "Remix" with this example. "Great". It really is a prime example of how copyrights should NOT be used. Never thought he would become famous in the legal community because of such a case, instead of his battle with WB. I've read the whole blog article and it's GREAT and worth reading, BTW  A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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Bohemian67 said: Tremolina said: Did I say it would "end his career"? NOPE! Gotcha Mindflux. It's okay that we disagree on this, just don't claim things that aren't true. What I am saying, and what you know full well because you are an intelligent person that can actually read, is that he is fighting a battle he can't win. It would make much more sense, musically and businesswise, if he would losen up his position a bit and start licensing his stuff, instead of just saying no, no, no, calling everybody a thief and locking up your stuff in some vault so nobody can hear it. THAT's the point that you should adress. Not made up nonsense. Obviously Tremolina, Prince has reached an agreement in his favour because in the last 3 months there is so much Prince stuff available on youtube and all networking sites that it'll take years to get thru it. So Prince has obviouslyy lightened up but done it under his terms. Does he still sell out concerts? Yes. Does he need more money? Probably not.So what's the problem? Bohemian I have not heard of any agreement with Youtube, haver you or anybody else? (dont go and tell me its a secret now please) As for your question, I feel it's a shame that such a great talent as Prince with so much music to share wastes so many opportunities and makes himself so unpopular. Even to the point that his legal cases become prime examples of how the law does NOT work. I am not attacking him when I am saying that he can and should do much better than he is doing now. That much of his music deserves to be shared as widely as possible and that his fans do not deserve to be treated badly. Is that such an unreasonable opinion to have? - [Edited 5/3/10 12:02pm] | |
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Tremolina said: Bohemian67 said: Obviously Tremolina, Prince has reached an agreement in his favour because in the last 3 months there is so much Prince stuff available on youtube and all networking sites that it'll take years to get thru it. So Prince has obviouslyy lightened up but done it under his terms. Does he still sell out concerts? Yes. Does he need more money? Probably not.So what's the problem? Bohemian I have not heard of any agreement with Youtube, haver you or anybody else? (dont go and tell me its a secret now please) As for your question, I feel it's a shame that such a great talent as Prince with so much music to share wastes so many opportunities and makes himself so unpopular. Even to the point that his legal cases become prime examples of how the law does NOT work. I am not attacking him when I am saying that he can and should do much better than he is doing now. That much of his music deserves to be shared as widely as possible and that his fans do not deserve to be treated badly. Is that such an unreasonable opinion to have? - [Edited 5/3/10 12:02pm] And when have I ever said I know anything that's a secret Tremolina? 1+1+1=3 though. Why is there so much stuff available lately? One doesn't need a crystal ball to see something has changed. Does it have to televised, shouted out from the rooftops? No. And show me where his fans have scars of being treated badly? A few websites that closed down? 50$ for lifetime membership? Come on! Lifetime membership of the website. $77 might have been a little steep but it was certainly not the end of the world and anyone who couldn't afford it and nearly ended up on breadline for joining, obviously doens' have their priorities right. The man continues to pump out quality music. Treating his fans like crap wuuld be to just stop making music completely. He's more underground and one just doesn't find/get his stuff so easily. That's his life philosophy, respect it. All you do is look at it from your own personal commercial perspective. Finally, if "his legal cases become prime examples of how the law does NOT work" then that's not his fault is it? It's the lawyers who are enacting the law right? On both sides. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Bohemian67 said: Tremolina said: Bohemian I have not heard of any agreement with Youtube, haver you or anybody else? (dont go and tell me its a secret now please) As for your question, I feel it's a shame that such a great talent as Prince with so much music to share wastes so many opportunities and makes himself so unpopular. Even to the point that his legal cases become prime examples of how the law does NOT work. I am not attacking him when I am saying that he can and should do much better than he is doing now. That much of his music deserves to be shared as widely as possible and that his fans do not deserve to be treated badly. Is that such an unreasonable opinion to have? - [Edited 5/3/10 12:02pm] And when have I ever said I know anything that's a secret Tremolina? 1+1+1=3 though. Why is there so much stuff available lately? One doesn't need a crystal ball to see something has changed. Does it have to televised, shouted out from the rooftops? No. And show me where his fans have scars of being treated badly? A few websites that closed down? 50$ for lifetime membership? Come on! Lifetime membership of the website. $77 might have been a little steep but it was certainly not the end of the world and anyone who couldn't afford it and nearly ended up on breadline for joining, obviously doens' have their priorities right. The man continues to pump out quality music. Treating his fans like crap wuuld be to just stop making music completely. He's more underground and one just doesn't find/get his stuff so easily. That's his life philosophy, respect it. All you do is look at it from your own personal commercial perspective. Finally, if "his legal cases become prime examples of how the law does NOT work" then that's not his fault is it? It's the lawyers who are enacting the law right? On both sides. That's an awfully narrow criteria for establishing what constitutes good or bad treatment of fans. That being said, piracy is a huge problem in the music industry, but it's my view that fans will support their favorite artist, and many fans in the Prince community want to have something material and tangible in their hands complete with artwork rather than just digital copies. As far as your assessment that Prince hasn't mistreated his fans, get the fuck out of here. | |
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Tremolina said: Bohemian67 said: Obviously Tremolina, Prince has reached an agreement in his favour because in the last 3 months there is so much Prince stuff available on youtube and all networking sites that it'll take years to get thru it. So Prince has obviouslyy lightened up but done it under his terms. Does he still sell out concerts? Yes. Does he need more money? Probably not.So what's the problem? Bohemian I have not heard of any agreement with Youtube, haver you or anybody else? (dont go and tell me its a secret now please) As for your question, I feel it's a shame that such a great talent as Prince with so much music to share wastes so many opportunities and makes himself so unpopular. Even to the point that his legal cases become prime examples of how the law does NOT work. I am not attacking him when I am saying that he can and should do much better than he is doing now. That much of his music deserves to be shared as widely as possible and that his fans do not deserve to be treated badly. Is that such an unreasonable opinion to have? - [Edited 5/3/10 12:02pm] Whilst I don't know the terms regarding the US situation (I believe there is a revenue sharing programme in place now), there certainly is an agreement for UK artists and songwriters who are members of the Performing Rights Society (of which, I am a member). They now claim royalties from YouTube for works viewed on there and distribute it amongst their members. However, as a member and as royalties are being claimed on my behalf, I have no say as to whether my works appear on YouTube - the obvious premise being that I am being paid for that work to be "broadcast". If any deal has been struck with ASCAP or whoever, on similar terms, then Prince's work can legitimately be shown on YouTube and he has to accept that its there and that he will be fairly compensated. Hence, why it now seems like Prince's music is back on there. However, as I mentioned, I'm no expert on the US rights, so can only comment on how it applies here in the UK. ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Tremolina said: Mindflux said: Of course it will work in his favour - the term "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is there for a reason. Which is why those that talk of a "backlash" from "millions of internet users" doesn't really have any substance to it. The Beatles and the Stones were villified by the press after their famous drug busts, we all know the kinda publicity MJ suffered for a decade, Tiger Woods' recent embarrasment.....all publicity that could be considered as way worse than what Prince is being ridiculed for here.....did it end ANY of their careers? NOPE! Prince has been "uber-protective" of his music for YEARS now - is he still selling albums and have a career? You betcha! Did I say it would "end his career"? NOPE! Gotcha Mindflux. It's okay that we disagree on this, just don't claim things that aren't true. What I am saying, and what you know full well because you are an intelligent person that can actually read, is that he is fighting a battle he can't win. It would make much more sense, musically and businesswise, if he would losen up his position a bit and start licensing his stuff, instead of just saying no, no, no, calling everybody a thief and locking up your stuff in some vault so nobody can hear it. THAT's the point that you should adress. Not made up nonsense. Gotcha?! hehe - do you feel better now?!
No, you didn't say it would end his career, but then I didn't say or suggest that you said that either - I was simply making the point I wanted to make. Like you said, its cool and all - I'm just biased towards an artist being able to maintain control over their product, whether that is damaging to their career, their finances, or not. Plenty of artists throughout history have made sacrifices in terms of money or fame out of artistic integrity and I absolutely support that devotion in an artist. Nice chatting with you again though ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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