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Reply #30 posted 04/29/10 7:12am

purpledoveuk

paisley2002 said:

I will say this:
There's no way u could have Prince retirement without a continuation of the music. I have 2 believe there are still so many songs Prince has in his back catalogue that need 2 be heard at one point or another.


but I doubt he will ever release them and, when he goes to meet the big Richard Dawkins on the sky, who has the rights to release them?
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Reply #31 posted 04/29/10 7:23am

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Devastated obviously.

Of course, satisfaction in the fact he's done it all and is unrivalled but, his new output is fantastic and i await new albums etc with huge anticipation.

How can he top the genius that is the Lotus set?! Although, he won't try, he's more interested in new experiences....the best way to be.

As someone else said, i listen to the Lotus set more than any other of his works atm...been that way since it came out....and now he has another coming....no time for past.
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Reply #32 posted 04/29/10 7:30am

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NelsonR said:

NouveauDance said:


This is precisely how I feel.

I like a lot of the past decade's output, but if there were no more *newly recorded* releases, I would be perfectly happy.

Obviously one doesn't necessarily equal the other, but he's gotta pay the bills somehow!


disagree strongly with y'all on this one...i love the new Prince; the politically expressive Prince...the Prince that speaks about issues in the hood; the Prince that recognises that it ain't just about fucking the taste out of some1's mouth, but that "there's somethings else..."


Really? I find his politics to be very... confused, to say the least. He mixes up his own personal legal and industry battles with politics and religion, blurring the lines of all 3 more than they already are or need to be. And if it isn't that, he acts as more of a political gadfly and malcontent and is very easily convinced and converted to the lunatic ramblings of the unhinged and uninformed, i.e., microchip in yo neck, Abraham Lincoln was a racist, chemtrails, etc. In other words, I feel his politics have become nothing more than pop psychology junk and are to be completely disregarded, especially in light of the fact that he doesn't vote, even for the first black President of the United States.
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Reply #33 posted 04/29/10 7:30am

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I'd be happy. Here's why:

1) We wouldn't have to suffer through awkward interviews
2) We wouldn't have to endure the hype of the next big Prince thing, hearkening back to his "old sound", only to be disappointed again.
3) We wouldn't have to hear the negative press about his shady business dealings with charging fans for a bunch of nothing, non-existent customer service, and flat out lying.
4) We could fully appreciate his back catalog without having to dismiss his more crappy material he'd keep putting out.
5) We'd not have to see him descend into a puddle of watered-down, trend-chasing, desperate attempts at music.
6) We'd not have to suffer through his idiotic, egotistical, and blind ramblings in interviews about chemical trails in the sky, how Jesus Christ was crucified, or his Lucifer-inspired statements of "I am music".

And maybe.....just maybe, someone at WB would remaster the back catalog and throw in a few extra tracks.

Look at how Sly is viewed now. He's a nut job to most folks. Yet he's been gone how long before that? And how much do people still gravitate to his catalog and enjoy it for what it is? We keep hearing that Sly is making music, and has been. But we've not heard it. That's fine. Sometimes folks know just when to leave, despite everyone else missing them.
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Reply #34 posted 04/29/10 7:31am

purpledoveuk

WetDream said:

Devastated obviously.

Of course, satisfaction in the fact he's done it all and is unrivalled but, his new output is fantastic and i await new albums etc with huge anticipation.

How can he top the genius that is the Lotus set?! Although, he won't try, he's more interested in new experiences....the best way to be.

As someone else said, i listen to the Lotus set more than any other of his works atm...been that way since it came out....and now he has another coming....no time for past.


I've listened to Lotusflower quite a lot but not MPLSound. Something doesn't quite click with that an im not sure if it's the fact that he's spent years (since at least 94 if I'm correct)bashing the people who use drum
machines, loops, samples etc ("if I want to listen to a machine I'll put my washing in it and go makevsone real music") and now he's released a whole album of it. He has flashes of inspiration now but, if he'd retired pre-NewpowerSoul I'd be hungry still and not just at the stage wher I almost didn't buy Lotusflower because it was overpriced and I was anticipating a failure
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Reply #35 posted 04/29/10 7:44am

boscho

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NelsonR said:



disagree strongly with y'all on this one...i love the new Prince; the politically expressive Prince...the Prince that speaks about issues in the hood; the Prince that recognises that it ain't just about fucking the taste out of some1's mouth, but that "there's somethings else..."


Really? I find his politics to be very... confused, to say the least. He mixes up his own personal legal and industry battles with politics and religion, blurring the lines of all 3 more than they already are or need to be. And if it isn't that, he acts as more of a political gadfly and malcontent and is very easily convinced and converted to the lunatic ramblings of the unhinged and uninformed, i.e., microchip in yo neck, Abraham Lincoln was a racist, chemtrails, etc. In other words, I feel his politics have become nothing more than pop psychology junk and are to be completely disregarded, especially in light of the fact that he doesn't vote, even for the first black President of the United States.


Great post - totally agree with on this
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Reply #36 posted 04/29/10 7:49am

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purpledoveuk said:

I think the Movie High Fidelity says it best in the scene where they discuss Princes output since the 90s

Barry: "Rob, top five musical crimes perpetuated by Prince since the '80s and '90s. Go.

Sub-question: is it in fact unfair to criticize a formerly great artist for his latter day sins, is it better to burn out or fade away?"


While we're paraphrasing...I've got one from Will and Grace...

Karen: What if Prince retired tomorrow?

Grace: giggle It's funny cuz it'll never happen.
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Reply #37 posted 04/29/10 7:51am

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errant said:

NelsonR said:



disagree strongly with y'all on this one...i love the new Prince; the politically expressive Prince...the Prince that speaks about issues in the hood; the Prince that recognises that it ain't just about fucking the taste out of some1's mouth, but that "there's somethings else..."


Really? I find his politics to be very... confused, to say the least. He mixes up his own personal legal and industry battles with politics and religion, blurring the lines of all 3 more than they already are or need to be. And if it isn't that, he acts as more of a political gadfly and malcontent and is very easily convinced and converted to the lunatic ramblings of the unhinged and uninformed, i.e., microchip in yo neck, Abraham Lincoln was a racist, chemtrails, etc. In other words, I feel his politics have become nothing more than pop psychology junk and are to be completely disregarded, especially in light of the fact that he doesn't vote, even for the first black President of the United States.


Which makes him an average American.
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Reply #38 posted 04/29/10 8:13am

purpledoveuk

Genesia said:

errant said:



Really? I find his politics to be very... confused, to say the least. He mixes up his own personal legal and industry battles with politics and religion, blurring the lines of all 3 more than they already are or need to be. And if it isn't that, he acts as more of a political gadfly and malcontent and is very easily convinced and converted to the lunatic ramblings of the unhinged and uninformed, i.e., microchip in yo neck, Abraham Lincoln was a racist, chemtrails, etc. In other words, I feel his politics have become nothing more than pop psychology junk and are to be completely disregarded, especially in light of the fact that he doesn't vote, even for the first black President of the United States.


Which makes him an average American.


youre right...I'm a slave - ibsign a contract and get paid good money...DAMN THE MAN AND THE SYSTEM!!!

Anyway...
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Reply #39 posted 04/29/10 8:27am

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to answer the question though, I wouldn't be happy. for one thing, I haven't had the chance to see him live since 2004 and lately I've really been getting the itch to. I've also enjoyed all of his albums AFTER Rave to some degree. Rave just put me off for about 2 years. The NPGMC stuff didn't interest me in the least and it wasn't until I noticed that Prince had a new album at Best Buy (TRC) that I got back into the swing of things. I've enjoyed all of his albums since except for 3121. I was very unenthusiastic about it at the time and it's still my least favorite album of the last 10 years. But my point is that I really enjoy most of his work lately, and was especially taken with LF and MPLSound, so I'd always be interested in hearing what he's working on, whether I enjoy that particular project or not.
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Reply #40 posted 04/29/10 10:21am

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cry bawl cry Prince a retiree? No, Prince can't retire sad
Prince has too much music running through his arteries and veins.
Prince Is Music!

And, ernestewell, I parsed that sentence from your response and
quoted it specifically as a means of segueing into this line
of reasoning.
I enjoy reading your opinions from time to time, but with all due
respect, I believe in this instance, some misunderstanding exists
on your part as to what Prince means when he says I Am Music. And
since you have made reference to this specific line before, I feel
compelled to offer a clarification.

Ernest, have you ever danced in such a way that your movements
become effortless; where your choreography is no longer yours but
are now being commanded by a Force beyond your control? Have you
ever played an instrument where your arms are so relaxed in their
movement that you become somewhat of a casual observer to a magic
taking place between you and the instrument? Have you ever ran so
fast where you can no longer feel your legs beneath you yet you are
moving at a speed beyond comprehension?
Ernest, have you ever stepped out of your body and literally flown?

Ernest, it's about letting go to the Good Flow and letting it take
you everywhere you want to go. There is a place between Theta and
Delta in all of us that is pure magic where everything becomes
possible; where we are truly One with everything that is. No,
it's not dreaming! If you have descended into REM, then you are
no longer in the Space. This is truly the place where all
meditators seek to enter, religious or otherwise. In Buddhism,
it is a state of emptiness. Jesus Himself described it as
"Thine Eye Being Single" and "Greater Is He That Is In You Than
He That Is In The World," referring to the Holy Spirit of Love
that dwells within us.

Now, when Prince expresses himself as becoming one with his Art,
in no way is he claiming to be the Ultimate; the Creator of the
Beginning and the End; the Ocean rather than the wave; the Macro
rather than the micro. It's at that instant when he has let go
of self to the Ultimate, the Oneness of all there is, and he is
now experiencing in the flow of Nownessness, in the zone, being
at One with the I AM within him. From therein, he can declare
proudly, yet humbly, "I Am Music."

This is where true genius lies and from where Prince and other
greats create.

I hope that helped biggrin wink
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Reply #41 posted 04/29/10 10:24am

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How would u feel? no more output..zero..no tours...no t.v. appearances, no interviews, no more new music. Nada.


I would have a TON of music and video to watch for another 10yrs of my life. He's had a good run, he's had an interesting career. He's got nothing to prove to no man or woman.

Needless to say I would have the hardest time in my world and life to deal with P's retirement. To me, retirement would mean death. How may musicians or artist can just quit unless they loose their gift, of their art?
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Reply #42 posted 04/29/10 10:29am

purpledoveuk

He won retire...he'll just go quiet
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Reply #43 posted 04/29/10 10:54am

ernestsewell

Love33 said:

cry bawl cry Prince a retiree? No, Prince can't retire sad
Prince has too much music running through his arteries and veins.
Prince Is Music!

And, ernestewell,
...I hope that helped biggrin wink

It didn't. I stand by what I said.
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Reply #44 posted 04/29/10 10:57am

SupaFunkyOrgan
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ladychel61 said:

lotusboy said:



But youd still be coming to the org ...

lol yeahthat

To watch you cry too lol
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Reply #45 posted 04/29/10 10:58am

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NelsonR said:

NouveauDance said:


This is precisely how I feel.

I like a lot of the past decade's output, but if there were no more *newly recorded* releases, I would be perfectly happy.

Obviously one doesn't necessarily equal the other, but he's gotta pay the bills somehow!


disagree strongly with y'all on this one...i love the new Prince; the politically expressive Prince...the Prince that speaks about issues in the hood; the Prince that recognises that it ain't just about fucking the taste out of some1's mouth, but that "there's somethings else..."

gross
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Reply #46 posted 04/29/10 10:59am

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boscho said:

purpledoveuk said

but I was just saying the same applies here and your answer gives you a pigeonhole on here


Yes, that is very true. It seems if you don't praise everything he does, you get branded as not a 'true fan' and your presence on this site is questioned.
[Edited 4/29/10 5:51am]

ridiculous. Some of us have ripped the church of Prince out of our heads. nod
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Reply #47 posted 04/29/10 12:30pm

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lotusboy said:

How would u feel? no more output..zero..no tours...no t.v. appearances, no interviews, no more new music. Nada.


Prince will never 'retire'. Prince breathes, sleeps, drinks, eats music. He will make music untill the day he dies and will release it and perform it as long as he can.
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Reply #48 posted 04/29/10 1:47pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

ladychel61 said:


lol yeahthat

To watch you cry too lol


Evil. lol
surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
I ain't felt this way in years...
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Reply #49 posted 04/29/10 1:54pm

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KidaDynamite said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


To watch you cry too lol


Evil. lol

Honest lol
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Reply #50 posted 04/29/10 1:57pm

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As for him not making new music anymore, I could care less. That last album of him selling out was absolutely horrible. I'd rather see him not make anything than to hear horrible bullshit like "Ole Skool Crappery" or "Valentina" coming from him. Hell, just give me some old stuff (early 1980s) from the vault, that's what I want.
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Reply #51 posted 04/29/10 2:01pm

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ernestsewell said:

I'd be happy. Here's why:

1) We wouldn't have to suffer through awkward interviews
2) We wouldn't have to endure the hype of the next big Prince thing, hearkening back to his "old sound", only to be disappointed again.
3) We wouldn't have to hear the negative press about his shady business dealings with charging fans for a bunch of nothing, non-existent customer service, and flat out lying.
4) We could fully appreciate his back catalog without having to dismiss his more crappy material he'd keep putting out.
5) We'd not have to see him descend into a puddle of watered-down, trend-chasing, desperate attempts at music.
6) We'd not have to suffer through his idiotic, egotistical, and blind ramblings in interviews about chemical trails in the sky, how Jesus Christ was crucified, or his Lucifer-inspired statements of "I am music".



but can't you do that now? It's not like he's Beyonce--in our faces everywhere we turn.
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Reply #52 posted 04/29/10 2:08pm

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SoulAlive said:

if Prince retired tomorrow,I wouldn't be upset.He's done so much,accomplished alot in his career,and look how many albums/songs/bootlegs we have to enjoy lol I feel this way about all of my favorite artists.If they reach a point where it's no longer fun or interesting for them,then they should retire and it would be okay.Mission accomplished.


If they are going to throwdown to please their fans that supported them throughout the years (the ones that know how to jam), I'm all for an artist continuing. But if an artist is going to try to get new fans, which usually means the artists watering down their stuff and making it sound similar to or being able to fit in with today's music, then they need to go ahead and retire because there is a radio full of bullshit artists already for the "new" fans they are going after to listen to.

The mainstream acts of the last 20 years don't know how to throwdown so when it comes to an older artist (that knows how to throwdown), they need to either throwdown or sit down. Don't water a damn thing down to please people with no taste. Retire first. That not only goes for Prince, but it also goes for all other older artists. Retire with a good reputation. Don't end up like Ronald Isley and Charlie Wilson who are total disgraces to what they used to be.
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Reply #53 posted 04/29/10 3:20pm

ernestsewell

NDRU said:

but can't you do that now? It's not like he's Beyonce--in our faces everywhere we turn.

Oh God, don't get me started on her fame-whoring ass.
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Reply #54 posted 04/29/10 3:46pm

p4life

i'll kill myself!!!!! just kiddin wink -----no but seriously
music without prince doesn't exist!! prince is music ...
he sleeps,eats,breathe,shits music ---if you cut him open he bleeds Fu*king MUSIC!!!
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Reply #55 posted 04/29/10 3:49pm

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Perposterous thread.
"Not to sound cosmic, but I've made plans for the next 3,000 years," he says. "Before, it was only three days at a time."
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Reply #56 posted 04/29/10 3:53pm

ernestsewell

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Prince is music ... he sleeps, eats, breathes, shits music - if you cut him open he bleeds fucking MUSIC!!!

No....he doesn't.
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Reply #57 posted 04/29/10 7:16pm

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Prince might retire from touring altogether. But retiring from making music in general? No way!
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Reply #58 posted 04/29/10 7:26pm

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vainandy said:



If they are going to throwdown to please their fans that supported them throughout the years (the ones that know how to jam), I'm all for an artist continuing. But if an artist is going to try to get new fans, which usually means the artists watering down their stuff and making it sound similar to or being able to fit in with today's music, then they need to go ahead and retire because there is a radio full of bullshit artists already for the "new" fans they are going after to listen to.

The mainstream acts of the last 20 years don't know how to throwdown so when it comes to an older artist (that knows how to throwdown), they need to either throwdown or sit down. Don't water a damn thing down to please people with no taste. Retire first. That not only goes for Prince, but it also goes for all other older artists. Retire with a good reputation. Don't end up like Ronald Isley and Charlie Wilson who are total disgraces to what they used to be.


Ronald Isley, I totally agree with you 100%. THAT dude turn into a freaking joke by work with R Kelly for far too long now.

But Charlie Wilson? I don't know VA. Charlie is basically doing a Teena by just getting by in older age with slow jams. Unless of course, you're calling Charlie out for being the uncle of Snoop Dogg!
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Reply #59 posted 04/29/10 8:48pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

ladychel61 said:


lol yeahthat

To watch you cry too lol


SUPA..its obvious your not happy w/ P...u would be happy to watch people "cry" as u put it..yet, what confuses most...is that you use P song lyrics/titles in your screen name. why dont u change it to "Hypocrite"?..juss sayin.
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