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PrintableLove33 said: Dewrede said: i'm fully aware that it's a continent So we have eliminated that disagreement 
What's left? You call it effeminacy? I say it's a sexy balance of Ida and Pingala, long existent in Africa. I also pointed you to the Maasai warriors ok | |
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Love33 said:[quote] Well, I am still baffled as I fail to see the relevance
between Prince performing in Africa and homosexuality. And don't even try to make a case about...well, his past style of dress. Have you taken a look at the Maasai men? What does that have to do with homosexuality?  The toga-like robes, that the Massais wear, are part of their culture,and the women wear similar robes. The color of the jewelry they wear, (both men/women) has significance to their culture, as well as the orange color they wear to keep lions away, because lions don't like orange, as they are lion hunters. I think this thread went way off base though. [Edited 4/28/10 13:19pm] | |
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Love33 said: Dewrede said: i'm fully aware that it's a continent are you dismissing JBK's comment ? [Edited 4/28/10 13:05pm] No, of course not. He is fully entitled to his opinion. It was somewhat too generic though to be taken as a final analysis. NelsonR's, on the other hand, was fine-tuned to a narrower demographic. Perhaps JBK might want to clarify what country in Africa he was addressing  ?i still stand by what i said ; i reckon the majority of africans , due to their machismo culture (would) see Prince as a 'sissy' (if they ever saw him dance (the way he used to) and they would be put off by that) same goes for quite a few people in the western world too , so i have encountered sad but true [Edited 4/28/10 13:24pm] | |
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2elijah said:[quote] Love33 said: Well, I am still baffled as I fail to see the relevance
between Prince performing in Africa and homosexuality. And don't even try to make a case about...well, his past style of dress. Have you taken a look at the Maasai men? What does that have to do with homosexuality? The toga-like robes, that the Massais wear, are part of their culture,and the women wear similar robes. The color of the jewelry they wear, (both men/women) has significance to their culture, as well as the orange color they wear to keep lions away, because lions don't like orange, as they are lion hunters. I think this thread went way off base though.
[Edited 4/28/10 13:19pm] Well, men in robes, with braided hair and pierced lobes! Absolutely has nothing to do with homosexuality. My point exactly | |
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Love33 said: 2elijah said: What does that have to do with homosexuality? The toga-like robes, that the Massais wear, are part of their culture,and the women wear similar robes. The color of the jewelry they wear, (both men/women) has significance to their culture, as well as the orange color they wear to keep lions away, because lions don't like orange, as they are lion hunters. I think this thread went way off base though.
[Edited 4/28/10 13:19pm] Well, men in robes, with braided hair and pierced lobes! Absolutely has nothing to do with homosexuality. My point exactly Gotcha.  | |
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Dewrede said: Love33 said: No, of course not. He is fully entitled to his opinion. It was somewhat too generic though to be taken as a final analysis. NelsonR's, on the other hand, was fine-tuned to a narrower demographic. Perhaps JBK might want to clarify what country in Africa he was addressing ?i still stand by what i said ; i reckon the majority of africans , due to their machismo culture (would) see Prince as a 'sissy' (if they ever saw him dance (the way he used to) and they would be put off by that) same goes for quite a few people in the western world too , so i have encountered sad but true [Edited 4/28/10 13:24pm] Well, later for them! Bearing in mind that in attempting to speak for the less than pleasant majority, we have to carefully guard against also becoming a negative voice for that majority. That too is sadly true
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2elijah said: Love33 said: Well, men in robes, with braided hair and pierced lobes! Absolutely has nothing to do with homosexuality. My point exactly Gotcha. Nope
Here is the caveat -- and you are more than welcome to go back and read the paragraph in its entirety -- "and don't even try to make a case about...well, his past style of dress." | |
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I live in Cape Town, South Africa and Prince is well-known amongst true music fans.
But he is not that popular. And that's only because he has not had a radio hit or two for ages. He is pretty much still associated with Purple Rain. (South African artists are the biggest sellers down here. Next to that, the MTV generation takes over ie. Beyonce, Jay-Z, Lady Ga-Ga, Chris Brown etc.) The saddest part is that whenever I play his music in the car, it's always appreciated, and folks are generally surprised to hear it's Prince. Prince has a very diverse range. Most people of African descent are into the various genres of Black music ie. R&B, Hip-Hop, African music etc. So certain types of Prince music will not appeal to them, while others will. Taking his last(?) release, the MPLSound will draw more of an interest than the Lotusflow3r disc. His range is so wide that he can earn respect in virtually every genre. Let's see: Blues guitar ( Rock R&B (Do me Baby) Acoustic ( Funk ( Jazz ( There's nothing he cannot do. All he needs is a manager to apply some quality control, and the world will see the best of him. | |
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Love33 said: Dewrede said: i still stand by what i said ; i reckon the majority of africans , due to their machismo culture (would) see Prince as a 'sissy' (if they ever saw him dance (the way he used to) and they would be put off by that) same goes for quite a few people in the western world too , so i have encountered sad but true [Edited 4/28/10 13:24pm] Well, later for them! Bearing in mind that in attempting to speak for the less than pleasant majority, we have to carefully guard against also becoming a negative voice for that majority. That too is sadly true
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Dewrede said: ^ no , i meant in general they have a machismo culture , i'd say
and no , i wasn't referring to african americans 
[Edited 4/27/10 22:40pm] I find it totally unbelievable that in 2010 somebody can get away with stuff like yours. Hell, are you really saying what you're saying? Stunning. But I'd like to understand you, however. So, do you think your "africa in general" thing applies to white south-africans as well? | |
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oh i get it now ; i'm a racist now right for saying that , right ? gtfoh with that crap ! just because something is not pc to say doesn't mean it's not true ! it seems you are a very naive person i'd suggest you get your blindfolds off and to stop accusing me and go live in your perfect little fairy tale dream world where everyone has equal amounts of respect and understandment for one another oh and fyi ; an african person quoted me on this thread and actually AGREED with me guess that makes him a dumb bigot too , right ?  [Edited 4/28/10 16:12pm] | |
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Dewrede said: ^
oh i get it now ; i'm a racist now right for saying that , right ? gtfoh with that crap ! just because something is not pc to say doesn't mean it's not true ! it seems you are a very naive person i'd suggest you get your blindfolds off and to stop accusing me and go live in your perfect little fairy tale dream world where everyone has equal amounts of respect and understandment for one another oh and fyi ; an african person quoted me on this thread and actually AGREED with me guess that makes him a dumb bigot too , right ?
[Edited 4/28/10 16:12pm] 1st off, you didn't answer my question, unfortunately. Why not? Like i said, i really would like to know what your answer is to it. And I'm not being sarcastic here. 2nd, LOL, yeah SURE your comment is racist, are you kidding??? That's not my interpretation putting it into it, it's already in what you said. 3rd, "just because something is not pc..." is THE no. 1 argument when people get into racist discussions. It's what every radical, no matter which political origin, says when confronted with criticism. Always was like that, still always is. EVERY SINGLE TIME. 4th, "and to stop accusing me..." - i didn't accuse you of anything, until now. Before this post, i only asked very simple questions, trying to understand your point. It's you unmasking yourself by reacting that harsh, obviously not being able to come up with a sound position. You're overreacting like somebody who was forced into a corner and is trying to DEFEND himself now. Why is that? 5th, "and go live in your perfect little fairy tale dream world where everyone has equal amounts of respect and understandment for one another..." My world is not like that. But in my world, "culture" is a very complex thing that's not bound to "countries" or even worse "continents". And in my world, homophobia is not specific "african". Again, quite simple. 6th, "oh and fyi ; an african person quoted me on this thread and actually AGREED with me, guess that makes him a dumb bigot too , right ?" LOL, no, I'm not calling anyone a bigot here. It just doesn't prove ANYTHING. Do you really think it does?? | |
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sad to say but realistically speaking, Prince is about the $$$.
south africa would be the best place for him to "get paid." most major artists come here...elton john, MJ was here, Sting... business is a major factor in this question...but he's def not "non=existant." u find his cd's all over in shops. | |
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Probably because Africa, the southern region anyway, is swamped with talentless American style RnB and hip hop. It is everywhere. Clubs, bars, restaurants, radio and car stereos. Everywhere you go you hear the droning monotony of tunelss tripe blaring out of a speaker somewhere.
I am quite happy for Prince to not even attempt to break into that market - his few modern rnb attempts have been awful. I live in Lusaka and my local pub has been declared an rnb-free zone. Prince is played quite a lot in there. But wander outside of those pub doors and the sound of utter nonsense slaps you in the face. | |
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Rebeljuice said: Probably because Africa, the southern region anyway, is swamped with talentless American style RnB and hip hop. It is everywhere. Clubs, bars, restaurants, radio and car stereos. Everywhere you go you hear the droning monotony of tunelss tripe blaring out of a speaker somewhere.
I am quite happy for Prince to not even attempt to break into that market - his few modern rnb attempts have been awful. I live in Lusaka and my local pub has been declared an rnb-free zone. Prince is played quite a lot in there. But wander outside of those pub doors and the sound of utter nonsense slaps you in the face. very true...radio is flooded with US rnb | |
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databank said: 2elijah said: Anyway, back on topic.... [Edited 4/28/10 12:02pm] I've met at least 25 french women in my life who told me they were raped at some point (not counting all the women i met who wouldn't mention it). Maybe 3 or 4 of them went to the police. The true numbers of rape in France are totally unknown because of this, but i've heard estimations up to 6 out of 10 women, and i wouldn't be surprised if that was true. We so-called "civilized" countries still have a looooong way to go before we can lecture "third world" countries about this! So if you're a woman that likes rough sex then France is the place to go | |
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sugarwall said: I live in Cape Town, South Africa and Prince is well-known amongst true music fans.
But he is not that popular. And that's only because he has not had a radio hit or two for ages. He is pretty much still associated with Purple Rain. (South African artists are the biggest sellers down here. Next to that, the MTV generation takes over ie. Beyonce, Jay-Z, Lady Ga-Ga, Chris Brown etc.) The saddest part is that whenever I play his music in the car, it's always appreciated, and folks are generally surprised to hear it's Prince. Prince has a very diverse range. Most people of African descent are into the various genres of Black music ie. R&B, Hip-Hop, African music etc. So certain types of Prince music will not appeal to them, while others will. Taking his last(?) release, the MPLSound will draw more of an interest than the Lotusflow3r disc. His range is so wide that he can earn respect in virtually every genre. Let's see: Blues guitar ( Rock R&B (Do me Baby) Acoustic ( Funk ( Jazz ( There's nothing he cannot do. All he needs is a manager to apply some quality control, and the world will see the best of him.  Thank you very much for your response!
It does create and contribute meaningful dialogue | |
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