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Reply #60 posted 04/27/10 11:35am

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Genesia said:

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I definitely don't take Per Nilsen's documentation as 100% accurate! (But maybe he was around for that part of the tour and the hiring of the film crew?) I have read his (and other's) accounts of things I personally witnessed back in '85 and '88 and so on (like after the Houston Lovesexy concert at Ocean Club), and it's not completely accurate! More like a writer's broad strokes of impression pieced from articles, interviews, research, etc. Kind of like all the Beatles bios that have been published.

The way to find out clearly would be to ask Levi Seacer or Sheila E, or the tour manager Alan Leeds (this might be the best way). Or his brother who seems very open to interviews.

Sure it could be some unexpected sound problems, but how odd would that be for a concert by Prince that is in the middle of a planned million dollar tour to have critical sound problems at an indoor venue? Didn't they also try to film a few performances, not just one?


Okay, Einstein - then why do you think he'd go to all the time, trouble and expense to do a lip-synched version if there weren't any problems with the original concert footage? rolleyes


Because, Watson, just as I said, it's likely the footage came out too rough (dark, grainy, bad angles) to be the building blocks of a mainstream theatrical release. He chose to re-create the performance to pretaped/mixed audio recordings, take after take with multiple camera angles and very controlled lighting. The bootleg videos documenting this have been traded widely. So I suspect he recreated the concert for the faults of the original visual quality not the audio.

And then he chose to overdub and change out the audio based on his own personal preference, song by song. An example of this would be the guitar in Forever in My Life. He must not have liked the original sound of the flanged effect acoustic/electric and overdubbed it. You can hear the tone of the original in the multiple soundboard bootlegs.
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Reply #61 posted 04/27/10 4:28pm

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I can shed a little light. I was at the all the shows surrounding the filming and in close contact with WEA at the time.

The ahoy shows were not quickly scheduled because of the rain at Utrecht. The film was originally supposed to be made at the London Wembley Stadium shows, but they were cancelled because of poor ticket sales (although it was blamed on the rain).

It poured down in Utrecht and it was clear rain was not a problem.

When London was cancelled, the extra shows in ahoy and the show in Antwerp were added.

The Warner PR bandwagon started to roll and they tried to claim that the film was being made to appease the disappointed UK fans who missed out. The fact is, it was planned as a marketing exercise after Prince told Warner/WEA that he had no intention of taking the show to the US following the cool reception the album had received in his home land. At this point, he was genuinely pissed because the US simply didn't dig what the Europeans did.

The majority of footage that made the cut was actually from the Antwerp show.

The "U got the look" footage was not taken from a live show, and grain was not added. It was filmed purely for promotional purposes on cheaper video tape. Its looks poor because the it was filmed on video tape for TV release, and later re-inserted into the 70mm filmed show due to the fact that one of the main singles was missing from the live set list. Notice the missing microphones?

The problem with the Rotterdam and Antwerp footage was indeed the general quality. It was OK, but not cinema quality, and with the newly created Paisley Park, Prince had the opportunity to indulge himself in the ultimate live edit.... audio AND video overdubs.
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Reply #62 posted 04/27/10 6:56pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

I can shed a little light. I was at the all the shows surrounding the filming and in close contact with WEA at the time.

The ahoy shows were not quickly scheduled because of the rain at Utrecht. The film was originally supposed to be made at the London Wembley Stadium shows, but they were cancelled because of poor ticket sales (although it was blamed on the rain).

It poured down in Utrecht and it was clear rain was not a problem.

When London was cancelled, the extra shows in ahoy and the show in Antwerp were added.

The Warner PR bandwagon started to roll and they tried to claim that the film was being made to appease the disappointed UK fans who missed out. The fact is, it was planned as a marketing exercise after Prince told Warner/WEA that he had no intention of taking the show to the US following the cool reception the album had received in his home land. At this point, he was genuinely pissed because the US simply didn't dig what the Europeans did.

The majority of footage that made the cut was actually from the Antwerp show.

The "U got the look" footage was not taken from a live show, and grain was not added. It was filmed purely for promotional purposes on cheaper video tape. Its looks poor because the it was filmed on video tape for TV release, and later re-inserted into the 70mm filmed show due to the fact that one of the main singles was missing from the live set list. Notice the missing microphones?

The problem with the Rotterdam and Antwerp footage was indeed the general quality. It was OK, but not cinema quality, and with the newly created Paisley Park, Prince had the opportunity to indulge himself in the ultimate live edit.... audio AND video overdubs.


Yes, I was there when it was shot, at Bercy, during a day of between two concerts, we spent the whole day there, there were several shots, band was cool, Sheila was awesome (look at her outfit !!!) and Prince did play drum for us and for the dancers...you can't see me in the crowd (boo...) but you can see a friend of mine, what a memory !!!
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Reply #63 posted 04/27/10 7:06pm

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yankem said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I can shed a little light. I was at the all the shows surrounding the filming and in close contact with WEA at the time.

The ahoy shows were not quickly scheduled because of the rain at Utrecht. The film was originally supposed to be made at the London Wembley Stadium shows, but they were cancelled because of poor ticket sales (although it was blamed on the rain).

It poured down in Utrecht and it was clear rain was not a problem.

When London was cancelled, the extra shows in ahoy and the show in Antwerp were added.

The Warner PR bandwagon started to roll and they tried to claim that the film was being made to appease the disappointed UK fans who missed out. The fact is, it was planned as a marketing exercise after Prince told Warner/WEA that he had no intention of taking the show to the US following the cool reception the album had received in his home land. At this point, he was genuinely pissed because the US simply didn't dig what the Europeans did.

The majority of footage that made the cut was actually from the Antwerp show.

The "U got the look" footage was not taken from a live show, and grain was not added. It was filmed purely for promotional purposes on cheaper video tape. Its looks poor because the it was filmed on video tape for TV release, and later re-inserted into the 70mm filmed show due to the fact that one of the main singles was missing from the live set list. Notice the missing microphones?

The problem with the Rotterdam and Antwerp footage was indeed the general quality. It was OK, but not cinema quality, and with the newly created Paisley Park, Prince had the opportunity to indulge himself in the ultimate live edit.... audio AND video overdubs.


Yes, I was there when it was shot, at Bercy, during a day of between two concerts, we spent the whole day there, there were several shots, band was cool, Sheila was awesome (look at her outfit !!!) and Prince did play drum for us and for the dancers...you can't see me in the crowd (boo...) but you can see a friend of mine, what a memory !!!


You were in the small crowd for the filming while Sheila strutted in her "whites"? Lucky bastard! I wanted in on that filming but missed out.
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Reply #64 posted 04/27/10 9:26pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

I can shed a little light. I was at the all the shows surrounding the filming and in close contact with WEA at the time.

The ahoy shows were not quickly scheduled because of the rain at Utrecht. The film was originally supposed to be made at the London Wembley Stadium shows, but they were cancelled because of poor ticket sales (although it was blamed on the rain).

It poured down in Utrecht and it was clear rain was not a problem.

When London was cancelled, the extra shows in ahoy and the show in Antwerp were added.

The Warner PR bandwagon started to roll and they tried to claim that the film was being made to appease the disappointed UK fans who missed out. The fact is, it was planned as a marketing exercise after Prince told Warner/WEA that he had no intention of taking the show to the US following the cool reception the album had received in his home land. At this point, he was genuinely pissed because the US simply didn't dig what the Europeans did.

The majority of footage that made the cut was actually from the Antwerp show.

The "U got the look" footage was not taken from a live show, and grain was not added. It was filmed purely for promotional purposes on cheaper video tape. Its looks poor because the it was filmed on video tape for TV release, and later re-inserted into the 70mm filmed show due to the fact that one of the main singles was missing from the live set list. Notice the missing microphones?

The problem with the Rotterdam and Antwerp footage was indeed the general quality. It was OK, but not cinema quality, and with the newly created Paisley Park, Prince had the opportunity to indulge himself in the ultimate live edit.... audio AND video overdubs.


Cool info... but....

"U Got The Look" could not have originally been shot on videotape! It looks like 35mm was shot developed and then transferred to videotape for post production and then put back to film (from video tape stock???) for the movie version of SOTT. But the "U Got the look" video looks like 24 fps film stock (anyone want to pause it and count the frames per second?). In the 80's and 90's video shot material was quite obvious with particular "live" gamma (contrast),colors, and reactions to lens flares and lights. For example: New Years '87, Mountains and Alphabet St and I Wish U Heaven are shot on video. Glam Slam, U Got the Look, Kiss, Boy and girls are shot on film.
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Reply #65 posted 04/27/10 9:43pm

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jdcxc said:

squirrelgrease said:



The audio performances were re-recorded and then lip-synced at Paisley Park (as UFO and Bart pointed out, some actual tour footage was used and so was the U Got The Look videotape - which had film grain added). I don't remember the actual reasoning behind doing it that way, other than Prince wanting perfection.



My favorite filmed concert performance is the SOTT (Valium) rehearsal footage. That was pure brilliance. His band was at peak form. Now that would make a great proper release.

Ditto that! Prince and Co. kicked ass at that rehearsal! Will he ever say BULLSHIT again... confused ?
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Reply #66 posted 04/28/10 12:16am

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SquirrelMeat said:

I can shed a little light. I was at the all the shows surrounding the filming and in close contact with WEA at the time.

The ahoy shows were not quickly scheduled because of the rain at Utrecht. The film was originally supposed to be made at the London Wembley Stadium shows, but they were cancelled because of poor ticket sales (although it was blamed on the rain).

It poured down in Utrecht and it was clear rain was not a problem.

When London was cancelled, the extra shows in ahoy and the show in Antwerp were added.

The Warner PR bandwagon started to roll and they tried to claim that the film was being made to appease the disappointed UK fans who missed out. The fact is, it was planned as a marketing exercise after Prince told Warner/WEA that he had no intention of taking the show to the US following the cool reception the album had received in his home land. At this point, he was genuinely pissed because the US simply didn't dig what the Europeans did.

The majority of footage that made the cut was actually from the Antwerp show.

The "U got the look" footage was not taken from a live show, and grain was not added. It was filmed purely for promotional purposes on cheaper video tape. Its looks poor because the it was filmed on video tape for TV release, and later re-inserted into the 70mm filmed show due to the fact that one of the main singles was missing from the live set list. Notice the missing microphones?

The problem with the Rotterdam and Antwerp footage was indeed the general quality. It was OK, but not cinema quality, and with the newly created Paisley Park, Prince had the opportunity to indulge himself in the ultimate live edit.... audio AND video overdubs.


Thanks for the info.
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Reply #67 posted 04/28/10 12:57am

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SquirrelMeat said:

I can shed a little light. I was at the all the shows surrounding the filming and in close contact with WEA at the time.

The ahoy shows were not quickly scheduled because of the rain at Utrecht. The film was originally supposed to be made at the London Wembley Stadium shows, but they were cancelled because of poor ticket sales (although it was blamed on the rain).

It poured down in Utrecht and it was clear rain was not a problem.



Yep it poured and there was a show, thouhgh slightly shorter then others, but anuway i def. recall that we had to keep hold of our tix. Could of course be that the Ahoy' shows were already booked before the rain started pouring down.... I am just a fan, no inside info wink
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Reply #68 posted 04/28/10 4:12am

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remko said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I can shed a little light. I was at the all the shows surrounding the filming and in close contact with WEA at the time.

The ahoy shows were not quickly scheduled because of the rain at Utrecht. The film was originally supposed to be made at the London Wembley Stadium shows, but they were cancelled because of poor ticket sales (although it was blamed on the rain).

It poured down in Utrecht and it was clear rain was not a problem.



Yep it poured and there was a show, thouhgh slightly shorter then others, but anuway i def. recall that we had to keep hold of our tix. Could of course be that the Ahoy' shows were already booked before the rain started pouring down.... I am just a fan, no inside info wink
[Edited 4/28/10 0:57am]


I got soaked in Utrecht and then spent the night sleeping in the town park because the hostels were full!
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Reply #69 posted 04/28/10 7:55am

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SquirrelMeat said:

remko said:



Yep it poured and there was a show, thouhgh slightly shorter then others, but anuway i def. recall that we had to keep hold of our tix. Could of course be that the Ahoy' shows were already booked before the rain started pouring down.... I am just a fan, no inside info wink
[Edited 4/28/10 0:57am]


I got soaked in Utrecht and then spent the night sleeping in the town park because the hostels were full!


Too bad there was no internet back than, You could have stayed at my place....
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Reply #70 posted 04/28/10 10:05am

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ufoclub said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I can shed a little light. I was at the all the shows surrounding the filming and in close contact with WEA at the time.

The ahoy shows were not quickly scheduled because of the rain at Utrecht. The film was originally supposed to be made at the London Wembley Stadium shows, but they were cancelled because of poor ticket sales (although it was blamed on the rain).

It poured down in Utrecht and it was clear rain was not a problem.

When London was cancelled, the extra shows in ahoy and the show in Antwerp were added.

The Warner PR bandwagon started to roll and they tried to claim that the film was being made to appease the disappointed UK fans who missed out. The fact is, it was planned as a marketing exercise after Prince told Warner/WEA that he had no intention of taking the show to the US following the cool reception the album had received in his home land. At this point, he was genuinely pissed because the US simply didn't dig what the Europeans did.

The majority of footage that made the cut was actually from the Antwerp show.

The "U got the look" footage was not taken from a live show, and grain was not added. It was filmed purely for promotional purposes on cheaper video tape. Its looks poor because the it was filmed on video tape for TV release, and later re-inserted into the 70mm filmed show due to the fact that one of the main singles was missing from the live set list. Notice the missing microphones?

The problem with the Rotterdam and Antwerp footage was indeed the general quality. It was OK, but not cinema quality, and with the newly created Paisley Park, Prince had the opportunity to indulge himself in the ultimate live edit.... audio AND video overdubs.


Cool info... but....

"U Got The Look" could not have originally been shot on videotape! It looks like 35mm was shot developed and then transferred to videotape for post production and then put back to film (from video tape stock???) for the movie version of SOTT. But the "U Got the look" video looks like 24 fps film stock (anyone want to pause it and count the frames per second?). In the 80's and 90's video shot material was quite obvious with particular "live" gamma (contrast),colors, and reactions to lens flares and lights. For example: New Years '87, Mountains and Alphabet St and I Wish U Heaven are shot on video. Glam Slam, U Got the Look, Kiss, Boy and girls are shot on film.


I read an article by Jon Bream when the SOTT film came out that detailed how the U Got The Look promo vid was added to the movie. If I recall correctly, it was stated that videotape was transferred to film stock after doctoring it with artificial film grain - so basically, you ended up with a double dose of film grain. The promo may have been shot on film, but the transfer was from videotape - as the Minneapolis StarTribune article implied.

I'll try to find the article online. I do have the original newspaper somewhere, but I haven't a clue where it would be.
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Reply #71 posted 04/28/10 10:35am

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squirrelgrease said:

ufoclub said:



Cool info... but....

"U Got The Look" could not have originally been shot on videotape! It looks like 35mm was shot developed and then transferred to videotape for post production and then put back to film (from video tape stock???) for the movie version of SOTT. But the "U Got the look" video looks like 24 fps film stock (anyone want to pause it and count the frames per second?). In the 80's and 90's video shot material was quite obvious with particular "live" gamma (contrast),colors, and reactions to lens flares and lights. For example: New Years '87, Mountains and Alphabet St and I Wish U Heaven are shot on video. Glam Slam, U Got the Look, Kiss, Boy and girls are shot on film.


I read an article by Jon Bream when the SOTT film came out that detailed how the U Got The Look promo vid was added to the movie. If I recall correctly, it was stated that videotape was transferred to film stock after doctoring it with artificial film grain - so basically, you ended up with a double dose of film grain. The promo may have been shot on film, but the transfer was from videotape - as the Minneapolis StarTribune article implied.

I'll try to find the article online. I do have the original newspaper somewhere, but I haven't a clue where it would be.


I think we're saying the same thing... the footage was shot on film, transferred to tape to edit and then for whatever reason, this tape was put back to film. That's like putting a Chicken McNugget in a diamond bowl back then! Why'd they do that instead of going back to the film stock? Because it was a cheap quick fix!

Also, above it states that SOTT was shot in 70mm back in 1987. That can't be correct! lol. It's 35mm film. I think the only film I can think of to be shot in 70mm around that time (since the 60's or early 70's) was "Far and Away". And 70mm has virtually no grain compared to 35mm. SOTT the concert film is VERY grainy.
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Reply #72 posted 04/28/10 10:48am

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I couldn't agree more in wanting to see a Blu Ray release of Sign O The Times in that format.Anybody who said that they were there in the taping of "U Got The Look"video in Paris 1987,I heard that Prince treated the audience for a mini-concert after the video was shot.Is that true?I'm also wondering besides the concerts that were shot for the film in Rotterdam and Minneapolis,were there any other shows of the tour that were also filmed?Peace!
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Reply #73 posted 04/28/10 10:51am

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ufoclub said:

squirrelgrease said:



I read an article by Jon Bream when the SOTT film came out that detailed how the U Got The Look promo vid was added to the movie. If I recall correctly, it was stated that videotape was transferred to film stock after doctoring it with artificial film grain - so basically, you ended up with a double dose of film grain. The promo may have been shot on film, but the transfer was from videotape - as the Minneapolis StarTribune article implied.

I'll try to find the article online. I do have the original newspaper somewhere, but I haven't a clue where it would be.


I think we're saying the same thing... the footage was shot on film, transferred to tape to edit and then for whatever reason, this tape was put back to film. That's like putting a Chicken McNugget in a diamond bowl back then! Why'd they do that instead of going back to the film stock? Because it was a cheap quick fix!

Also, above it states that SOTT was shot in 70mm back in 1987. That can't be correct! lol. It's 35mm film. I think the only film I can think of to be shot in 70mm around that time (since the 60's or early 70's) was "Far and Away". And 70mm has virtually no grain compared to 35mm. SOTT the concert film is VERY grainy.


The aspect ratio of SOTT tells us that it was mort likely shot on 35mm. That said, it may have been transferred from the 35mm neg to 70mm for showings at theaters that could accommodate it. When I saw it at the theater, it was definitely the 1.85:1 ratio, or 1.66:1 (I'm not entirely sure of SOTTs ratio, but it wasn't 70mm 2.20:1).
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Reply #74 posted 04/28/10 10:59am

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squirrelgrease said:

ufoclub said:



I think we're saying the same thing... the footage was shot on film, transferred to tape to edit and then for whatever reason, this tape was put back to film. That's like putting a Chicken McNugget in a diamond bowl back then! Why'd they do that instead of going back to the film stock? Because it was a cheap quick fix!

Also, above it states that SOTT was shot in 70mm back in 1987. That can't be correct! lol. It's 35mm film. I think the only film I can think of to be shot in 70mm around that time (since the 60's or early 70's) was "Far and Away". And 70mm has virtually no grain compared to 35mm. SOTT the concert film is VERY grainy.


The aspect ratio of SOTT tells us that it was mort likely shot on 35mm. That said, it may have been transferred from the 35mm neg to 70mm for showings at theaters that could accommodate it. When I saw it at the theater, it was definitely the 1.85:1 ratio, or 1.66:1 (I'm not entirely sure of SOTTs ratio, but it wasn't 70mm 2.20:1).


There's no way Prince was going to convince people to spend money to do a 70mm transfer of a concert film!
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Reply #75 posted 04/28/10 2:21pm

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I couldn't agree more in wanting to see a Blu Ray release of Sign O The Times in that format.Anybody who said that they were there in the taping of "U Got The Look"video in Paris 1987,I heard that Prince treated the audience for a mini-concert after the video was shot.Is that true?I'm also wondering besides the concerts that were shot for the film in Rotterdam and Minneapolis,were there any other shows of the tour that were also filmed?Peace!


Not really a mini concert, he sat behind the drums and played beats for the dancers to dance and also to entertain us because it was kind of boring at one point ( I know, I know...). If I remember correctly, Prince was directing and acting at the same time !!!!! Which means that as soon as they shoot something, he went behind the screen to watch it and do it again... He was very cool (they all were), at one time, we sang Housequake to him and he was pleased, he thanked us...I think that he did a mini concert in a club (New Morning) later that night but I can't really assure you that it was on this very day since my memories mix now due to my venerable age...after all, it was 23 years ago !!!!So much !??? OK, now I'm depressed !!!!
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Reply #76 posted 04/28/10 3:07pm

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bootleg blu-ray is possible... because an HD master was made professionally. That was then shrunk down for the Canadian and British DVD. The HD version showed on Encore HD in the US years ago. Iy anyone knows someone that works for Alliance or Encore... get em to bootleg that shit.
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Reply #77 posted 04/28/10 3:13pm

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DarylB said:

I couldn't agree more in wanting to see a Blu Ray release of Sign O The Times in that format.Anybody who said that they were there in the taping of "U Got The Look"video in Paris 1987,I heard that Prince treated the audience for a mini-concert after the video was shot.Is that true?I'm also wondering besides the concerts that were shot for the film in Rotterdam and Minneapolis,were there any other shows of the tour that were also filmed?Peace!


A SOTT show was filmed at Paisley Park on New Years Eve 1987. The boot is circulating, but the first few songs are missing. I love the SOTT movie, but I prefer this show as it was not so "staged".
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Reply #78 posted 04/29/10 6:37am

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SoulAlive said:

squirrelgrease said:



The audio performances were re-recorded and then lip-synced at Paisley Park (as UFO and Bart pointed out, some actual tour footage was used and so was the U Got The Look videotape - which had film grain added). I don't remember the actual reasoning behind doing it that way, other than Prince wanting perfection.


It's surprising that the original concert footage was in such bad shape that Prince couldn't use most of it.I wonder if this was a case of Prince going on tour,then quickly deciding that a few shows should be filmed for a concert film? Maybe the cameramen weren't properly prepared? Everything was hastily arranged? I know that Prince was originally planning to tour the States in the fall of '87,but when the album didn't do as well as he had hoped,he decided to do the film instead.


The story is well-known: Prince had canceled UK dates (due to weather: they were open air) plus didn't seem to want to tour the US, so a concert film was his idea of a suitable replacement.

Of course, he only got this idea during the tour, so they rushed to find people who could do this. Except that it turned out to be a huge failure: the film was mostly unusable, and the audio bled through so remixing it was hard/impossible.
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Reply #79 posted 04/29/10 6:39am

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ufoclub said:

It wouldn't make sense for the sound to be bad... Prince records soundboards of all his performances, and the whole point of the concert is the sound, which is miked, mixed, EQ'd pre-concert and put through live for the audience at the time of performance!


Look, room sound does NOT equal a great audio recording. You need to mix in audience noise, plus the balance between the instruments (and their place in the audio spectrum) can be off. You need to be able to remix it, which is impossible if you hear the organ on the guitar track etc.
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Reply #80 posted 04/29/10 6:44am

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ufoclub said:

squirrelgrease said:



The aspect ratio of SOTT tells us that it was mort likely shot on 35mm. That said, it may have been transferred from the 35mm neg to 70mm for showings at theaters that could accommodate it. When I saw it at the theater, it was definitely the 1.85:1 ratio, or 1.66:1 (I'm not entirely sure of SOTTs ratio, but it wasn't 70mm 2.20:1).


There's no way Prince was going to convince people to spend money to do a 70mm transfer of a concert film!


Especially not considering the short time this had to be done. Plus: it was all on his bill, WB weren't paying for it.
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Reply #81 posted 04/29/10 6:50am

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BartVanHemelen said:

SoulAlive said:



It's surprising that the original concert footage was in such bad shape that Prince couldn't use most of it.I wonder if this was a case of Prince going on tour,then quickly deciding that a few shows should be filmed for a concert film? Maybe the cameramen weren't properly prepared? Everything was hastily arranged? I know that Prince was originally planning to tour the States in the fall of '87,but when the album didn't do as well as he had hoped,he decided to do the film instead.


The story is well-known: Prince had canceled UK dates (due to weather: they were open air) plus didn't seem to want to tour the US, so a concert film was his idea of a suitable replacement.

Of course, he only got this idea during the tour, so they rushed to find people who could do this. Except that it turned out to be a huge failure: the film was mostly unusable, and the audio bled through so remixing it was hard/impossible.


ah,that's a shame.I can see why he felt the need to "re-create" the show at Paisley Park.
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Reply #82 posted 04/29/10 12:48pm

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merkwurdichliebe said:

WOW! I am watching my Region ! DVD of this brilliant concert Film, and I just love it! I know there is love out there for this work, please post if you love this... as Miranda would say: Haters back off; I cannot handle hate on this topic, as this is my favorite album/period, and he shines in this film! I do not even care that the film was not a 'real' show; I love it!, so come on: show the LOVE!!! I need some love these days, so lay it on my thread!!!!! lol


The performance of Housequake alone has me wanting to run home and watch it.
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Reply #83 posted 05/06/10 6:10pm

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BartVanHemelen said:



The story is well-known: Prince had canceled UK dates (due to weather: they were open air) plus didn't seem to want to tour the US, so a concert film was his idea of a suitable replacement.


It wasn't cancelled because of the weather. That was a smoke screen. It was cancelled because of poor tickets sales. The two shows at Wembley stadium sold approx 40,000 of the 100,000 available.

The press release apology for the UK cancellation stated that the technicality of the show meant it could not be performed in rain for risk electrocution. But anyone who was in Utrecht that week knew the show could happen in a complete downpour.
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Reply #84 posted 05/06/10 7:42pm

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I love this video so much. I just it featured Starfish and Coffee, but still sooo good. And PS, you cannot fuck with Sheila on drums.
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Reply #85 posted 05/10/10 12:27pm

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anthonyxanzaldo said:

And PS, you cannot fuck with Sheila on drums.


True Story :] She's "not bad, for a girl" ;]

I really thought long and hard about picking a highlight from the film...but it seriously all is amazing. I'd maybe have to say that U got the Look would have been more enjoyable if it wasn't jsut the music video for it...and I didn't really like Now's the Time (I don't think it fits very well with the rest)

But so many of the songs are performed with such flair and grace and enthusiasm. And as far as first insights into the fantastic world of Prince go, I couldn't have wished for a better one!
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Reply #86 posted 05/10/10 2:06pm

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TikiColadas said:

I love the Sign 'O The Times film! I have both version of the DVD but prefer the Canadian disc. I HOPE that this along with Under the Cherry Moon and Graffiti Bridge will be released on BluRay. *fingers crossed*

I brought about 10-12 friends with me back in the day to see it on the big screen in Dallas. And let me tell you, it was a full house in the theater and it was a party! I remember there being a ton of Prince fans and most were singing along to the film. Great time!

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Reply #87 posted 05/10/10 5:37pm

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Had the chance to see it in a theater back then...awesome on the (very) big screen !!! headbang


Me too! I was only 10 at the time but it still stands out as a great memory!
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Reply #88 posted 05/11/10 5:59am

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This was my real introduction into The Art Of Prince !

Motivated because of the remarkable title-song I went to see it in a new opened cinema in Vienna in the late 80s. The sound-level of the projection was almost like in a live-concert, incredible !!

I was blown away by the intensity of the entire show, the versatility of musical styles and the astounding skills of the performers eek And I was amazed to see, that this sex-and funloving funky Prince has also got a deep, soulful and spiritual aware side in him.

As there is no weak part in it it's hard to highlighten anything, but still I would name SOTT, Play in the sunshine, ICNTTPOYN (´guitar solo!),Forever in my life and The Cross as my personal favs.


PS: merkwurdichliebe is a nice username smile
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