and to some extant -since it contains a few errors- the http://www.princevault.co.../Main_Page website)

databank said:

I'm certain that the folks at PrinceVault would be very interested in addressing any and all errors that you would point out to them.

admin@princevault.com

You have to remember a few things

1) Not everyone has access to those books or Uptown magazine. And besides that, every time Uptown came out with a book, there were additions, corrections, and deletions, based on new info. So depending on which book(s) you picked up over the years, there is a lot of stuff missing and/or incorrect.
Fair enough. To tell the truth i don't even own these books myself except for "Possessed" and a few issues of "Uptown" (though i've been able to read "DMSR" a while ago) but when i don't know something for a fact, i ask the people who know ^^

2) Princevault.org is woefully incomplete. I love what they're doing, but there are a LOT of gaps, especially when it comes to more obscure official albums, pretty much most outtakes, and the entire related artists sections, and most of the material that spawns unfounded theories/speculation that gets discussed here. One day it will be the go-to source for such information, but it's got a ways to go.
I agree, but hopefully it'll be complete and corrected in some time ^^

3) Not every fan actually cares that much or is that anal about such information. I am, you are, and plenty of others are, but not everyone. And besides that, what the hell are we going to talk about around here, if not this stuff? Our favorite Prince songs that contain "" or "" in the title?
Some fans who don't care that much about accurate information DO care a lot when it comes to claiming this or that in order to make a point (generally being that Prince is a thief and a liar) and telling whoever contradicts them that they are wrong. Come on: only recently i've read people claiming that André Cymone composed and played the guitar solo on "Why Do You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?" (yeah, not even Dez: André!!!), using a live video of the song as a proof () because André who was actually Dez played the solo so well. They weren't ASKING if "André" wrote it: they CLAIMED that he was, period. I come across things like this all the time: it's silly! Another exemple was this guy a few months back claiming that "Moonbeam levels" was actually called "A Better Place 2 Die" and telling whoever corrected him that these people had no clue and why wouldn't it be called "ABP2D"? It's silly, too.

June7 said:

It was originally posted in P:M&M so i couldn't agree more with u, but Mars relocated it in the org discussion and i was like "ok, if they feel it belongs there", and now it's back here: it's a travelling thread

Andre told me that to my face, i met him in 1998 when he was producing for a friend of mine in cali. Prince is a genuis, and 95% of his work was probably written produced and arranged by him-yet he needs no defending here from people angered that somebody just may have contributed to a song. It happens all the time, musicians are riffing all the time-not all riffs emanate from our boy lol.

I wrote Purple Rain, Kiss, all of Sign o the Times, Most of Lovesexy, guitar on Diamonds and Pearls, I came up with the Slave thing but had nothing to do with TRC.

He stole my ideas . (I was 7 when I wrote Purple Rain)

I still don't get what this thread is about.

purpledoveuk said:

You've watched "The Million $ Hotel" too many times

databank said:

Never seen it.


But I did write it

purpledoveuk said:

U should watch it, u'd get what i mean ^^

databank said:

with Mel Gibson and the guy from Lost?

purpledoveuk said:

No, you should watch it alone.

My point is: when people have a theory they should just check or ask before they claim something, or at least mention that "they think that..." instead of claiming that their theory is fact and (sometimes) start flaming whoever tries to correct them.

I'm all for people not making stuff up,
but if people bring real, new evidence and change what was previously believed to be "fact", then we need discussion.

I also think there's a difference between "personal theories", which are basically fun speculation on what may have occurred, and making stuff up!
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I'm all for people not making stuff up,
but if people bring real, new evidence and change what was previously believed to be "fact", then we need discussion.

I also think there's a difference between "personal theories", which are basically fun speculation on what may have occurred, and making stuff up!
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databank said:

When I said "i do not believe that is even prince playing that part. We know they lied on the liner notes (Andre was involved in the recording) so why should anyone believe that the rest of it is not a lie as well."

You posted a link with--according to Prince--is not accurate information

http://princevault.net/in..._So_Bad%3F

" Recording personnel

* Prince - all vocals and instruments "

Not True.

So maybe it is not as easy to be perfect as some might think?

james said:

The reason When Doves Cry has no bass is because he called me up to play on the track but I was in the loo with a dicky tummy and,as he'd paid for studio time, they had to continue without me. I was so annoyed I continued to write for him but didn't want my name put to anything. He says it sounds better without but that's not what he said at the time.

Fact

I was the 1st one to acknowledge that the info might be unaccurate when i realized that they said the same about the "For You" album which i knew contained some contributions, so c'mon please don't take things outta context and don't either take this thread as a personnal attack against you. For one thing i ain't attacking anyone, and besides it was written after many occurences of similar situations. And i also certainly don't claim to be a Prince encyclopedia: i just try to check things when data is available and i try AMAP not to claim that i'm "sure" of anything when i don't have any reliable info about it.

As for the "why should we believe that all the liner notes are lies?", i'd simply say that when there are enough witnesses saying that they're either true or false, we can consider what we know as true.

purpledoveuk said:

Were you also involved in writing "Beat It" and "Billie Jean" for Michael Jackson? I'm sure it wasn't Van Halen playing guitar on Beat It (why? well i'm just sure!): could it have been you?

databank said:

Cool, I'm on board. Fact vs personal theories? Now, the distance between these is probably as big as the Grand Canyon.