squirrelgrease said:

Please, I own or have stored music in formats from cd to records, zip drives, hard drives, flash drives, blueray, betamax, cassette, 8-track, and some formats i have forgot about. I have them all somewhere. But I know where Youtube or equivalent always is, and at the moment as I am working at my desk i will more than likely just go to a site like youtube to listen to whatever i happen to be in the mood for than try to find something i own wherever i happen to be.
Why are people are so concerned about why Prince doesn't just open his house doors and let you take anything you want like its some kind of post apocalyptic looting spree to avoid paying the .99 cents from i-tunes. Its not food water or batteries that we have to crawl on the floor over basic principles of respect to get so bent out of shape about it and call it idiotic.
Let the poor man close and lock the door to his front door if he chooses, and if you find it difficult to break in, dont bitch and blame him.
And I dont think its about a disdain for new technology, its about a disdain for disrespect new or old.

C'mon squirrelgrease, why would an old time Prince fan to this day still try and spin your own sound logic into his known lifelong fuzzy modus operandi, and still turn your head in puzzlement. His life work is a fascinating spectator sport, wondering what the heck he will do next. Not having an expectation that he will one day suddenly snap out of his very being and become the next Trent Reznor or something.
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[Edited 4/19/10 23:40pm]

violetblues said:

Wow. I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the opinion I posted, but I'm sure it meant something in your head. I got no beef with you, but seriously... huh?

squirrelgrease said:

Not meant as a dig just to YOU personally Squirrel, but all the folks here and elsewhere that feel somehow entitled to Prince's or anybody else s work online without the artists permission and labeling it idiotic if someone chooses to block it. Stealing music is not a new "technology" and not liking getting ripped off is not necessarily "idiotic"
Yes it reads it little harsh, i just thought it was funnier and made a stronger point that way. I have no beef you you either, just with the mindset of free internet content entitlement that we have all deluded ourselves with recently and labeling it a "new technology".

[Edited 4/20/10 7:32am]

Mindflux said:

Nonsense.

Oh, and it isn't the industry doing it, they're forced by players like Apple and Amazon. The industry is STILL working hard to make things difficult for consumers.

Mindflux said:

Quite frankly: it's too late. The train has left the station. They should have been working on viable online distribution ten years ago. Instead they were spending billions on DRM and on crippling CDs and fighting format wars (SACD vs DVD-A) and treating customers like thieves.

The simple fact that there can't be a Europe-wide iTunes is ridiculous and proof that they still don't get it. The fact that US iTunes has things that a European customer can't buy is ridiculous.

jjam said:

Except: there's no proof.

jjam said:

And that only happened because the music industry didn't have an answer.

"Let the poor man close and lock the door to his front door if he chooses, and if you find it difficult to break in, dont bitch and blame him.
And I dont think its about a disdain for new technology, its about a disdain for disrespect new or old. "

yeah...that...

I don't usually involve myself in this "dialog" but it troubles me that so many folks who adore the creative expression of a person named PRINCE are profoundly missing the point. [In my opinion]

"corporatism" is e-v-i-l.
The ownership and commodification of a thing by a network of bandits, thieves and murderers hiding behind a legal fiction of the "immortal unperson" and enforced by the coercive threat of violence.[the courts + law enforcers]

The "thing" in this case is the result of the mind [life] thereby making all parties involved effectively $LAVES.

This ain't about y'all gittin the jizz....

It is about freedom. "Freedom" [in the "social circumstance"] is the right to say "NO".

P could just as easily employ folks to track down every file with his sounds and attempt to make life difficult for everyone. He DOES NOT DO THAT.
HE WANTS YOU TO HAVE HIS SHIZZNIT JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CREATIVE PERSON FAMOUS AND UNKOWN ALIKE.

Proof? >he keeps makin music and playin out and releasin stuff don't he?

Why don't y'all stop being petulant idiots and stand by the folks that make the sounds and at ALL TIMES AND ALL CIRCUMSTANCES STAND AGAINST THOSE WHO WOULD MAKE US ALL SLAVES TO THE DOLLAR.

No: I am not investing P with a theoretic ethic which may not be his principle.

It is merely the truth.

Ask any musician on this board: "as long as you had plentiful food and shelter would music SALES really be an issue?" The answer would be "hells no! --sheit, then I could spend all day and night making tunes to my hearts delight and leave em in a box by the front door for all takers" "git your tunes for free here!! ok maybe leave me a smile if ya can spare it"

the same goes for everyone doing anything they like doing.

Try this: avoid getting hit in the crossfire and then turning against the wrong actor.

Am I giving P a free pass on his bullshit?

...sorry; I am not involved in his bullshit so I have no idea what that might be. Whatever it may be I hope it works out well for all involved 'cause I certainly wouldn't want folks whose efforts brought me joy to have to suffer over "bullshit"...

All I know is there is this cat running around on planet earth somewhere [maybe in heels] I've seen pictures of whose name is apparently prince that makes things I like hearing so he get's my respect: period. [just like all the other folks that make the things i dig]

I know most folks want the summation of the problem reduced to a short phrase so they do not have to spend any real time figuring out the particulars of complex issues, so:
eradicate the legal fiction called "a corporation" and make "law" protect "individual rights".

[good luck...can't be done]

meanwhile: right on girlbros, prince, associated artists, etc and fugggg why is MJ dead over this shit...

"And I dont think its about a disdain for new technology, its about a disdain for disrespect new or old. "

BartVanHemelen said:[quote]

Mindflux said:

I'll take that as a "no" then

Re music piracy, I'd like to think that working in the industry counts for something re my statements. Trust me, the impact has been huge. I really don't understand why some people seem intent on making excuses for what is essentially a tacitly approved means of illegal activity.

Of course, in an ideal world, the industry (major labels in particular) should have adopted the MP3 format when the Fraunhofer Institut brought it to their attention around late 1998.

jjam said:

Its simply to justify their actions and to try and protect their position. The link that Bart provided is simply propoganda for illegal filesharers. I mean, it was hardly a scientific or in-depth look at the impact of acquiring music illegally.

They will tell you its hardly having an impact - but I'm a music producer myself and I try to sell my music to make a living. There are, at least, 25 illegal downloads of my music for every copy I sell. So, these people can bleat all they like, but as a small independent artist just trying to get by, I can tell you that these activities are DEFINITELY hurting artists (never mind the major labels.....their days may well be numbered anyway).