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Printableaarontj said: databank said: Prince indeed used an André Cymone composition, which itself was more or less stolen from a Eddie Hazel song, for "Do Me, Baby". He also took away Jesse Johnson's royalties out of "The Bird" and "Jungle Love" (though Prince didn't credit himself for them on the record's credits) and a few Chris Moon lyrics also were uncredited. Jesse stole the arrangements Prince had done on "Do Yourself A Favor" in retaliation (and got co-writers royalties for them), and Chris stole "Make It Through The Storm" for Sue-Ann in retaliation, too (which led Prince to copyright the song, most likely after Sue Ann released it).
Kiss was arranged, not composed, by David Z and Mazarati, and David Z was credited for that on "Parade": i know Mazarati were a bit pissed off that they got no writing credits for that arrangement, but David Z said that he was totally satisfied with this because he owed his whole career to Prince. On the other hand Prince wrote the lyrics for 2 Mazarati songs but since Brownmark was writing the whole album, Mark got the credits and royalties for that 
As for "Partyup" it wasn't "stolen" to Morris but traded against being The Time's singer (Morris was supposed to be the drummer at this stage) so Morris was totally ok with that, and Prince is said to have changed the lyrics quite a lot so he could be considered co-writer anyway. There might be a few other doubtful songs here and there ("Well Done" comes to mind) but it's totally insane how a man who composed, arranged and recorded more than 1000 songs is accused of being "ghostwritten" or to have an habit of stealing ideas where there actually are less than 10 known dubious cases. And that's without mentionning the credits and royalties Prince offered to Sheila for the whole "Romance 1600" album, the credits and royalties he possibly gave to his father who is said not to ever have written a line on any Prince songs, and the multiple cases where Prince gave credits for composing, playing instruments and arranging songs to other people (Madhouse, The Family, The Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, Sheila E., Jill Jones, Taja Sevelle...), not to mention the times he hid behind pseudonyms. Besides, anyone who's been involved in collaborative works of art know that it's quite difficult to isolate who did what after some time. This debate, which is regularly re-opened here, is a bit ridiculous. . [Edited 4/2/10 8:43am] You are so right databank. BTW ernestsewell You Just Got OWNED!!!! ---- Thank God somebody put this guy in is place. He is wrong about so many things and gets a pass. | |
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The fact that the man stole so much music will be what ruins his legacy in the end. He'll be remembered as a brilliant musician, fair composer and a shrewd thief. | |
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skoolteecher said: The fact that the man stole so much music will be what ruins his legacy in the end. He'll be remembered as a brilliant musician, fair composer and a shrewd thief.
----- So much music a half dozen accusations and that is a lot of music too you out of the 1,000 songs he has copyrighted. Some of you are going to hear what you want to hear and see what you want to see no matter what the facts. | |
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Going back to Kiss, do we assume that the 12inch mix incorporates all the extra musical layers that were originally stripped out by Prince for the single edit? ..sharmone MF..! | |
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laurarichardson said: He is the last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse.
You mean he is the last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse that you know. There are plenty out there that do it too. Some famous, some not. Some multi million selling, some bedroom producers. Prince is not exclusively multi talented. |
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Rebeljuice said: laurarichardson said: He is the last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse.
You mean he is the last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse that you know. There are plenty out there that do it too. Some famous, some not. Some multi million selling, some bedroom producers. Prince is not exclusively multi talented. ----- Please name the ones that are known by the masses. Please name the ones that are having the sort of career that P has had. Let's be honest you can be producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse today but you are not going to see an artist receive the notoriety or credit for it in the manner that P has. Those days in the music industry are over. | |
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laurarichardson said: Rebeljuice said: You mean he is the last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse that you know. There are plenty out there that do it too. Some famous, some not. Some multi million selling, some bedroom producers. Prince is not exclusively multi talented. ----- Please name the ones that are known by the masses. Please name the ones that are having the sort of career that P has had. Let's be honest you can be producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse today but you are not going to see an artist receive the notoriety or credit for it in the manner that P has. Those days in the music industry are over. You didnt say Prince is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse that are known by the masses and had a long career doing it" You just said he is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse" to which I said "no he isnt, there are plenty". And known by the masses is a bit speculative these days anyway. He isnt known by the masses anymore. the masses have either not heard of him or know him as the guy that was big in the 80's, some 30 years ago, and did that Purple Rain. He is only known by the (dwindling) fanbase masses predominantly. But I get what you mean. If truth be told, Prince would have fared better over the years if he didnt have an iron fisted control over everything he did. His self-production has been sounding tired and "samey" for years. |
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Rebeljuice said: laurarichardson said: ----- Please name the ones that are known by the masses. Please name the ones that are having the sort of career that P has had. Let's be honest you can be producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse today but you are not going to see an artist receive the notoriety or credit for it in the manner that P has. Those days in the music industry are over. You didnt say Prince is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse that are known by the masses and had a long career doing it" You just said he is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse" to which I said "no he isnt, there are plenty". And known by the masses is a bit speculative these days anyway. He isnt known by the masses anymore. the masses have either not heard of him or know him as the guy that was big in the 80's, some 30 years ago, and did that Purple Rain. He is only known by the (dwindling) fanbase masses predominantly. But I get what you mean. If truth be told, Prince would have fared better over the years if he didnt have an iron fisted control over everything he did. His self-production has been sounding tired and "samey" for years. ----- Let's see P had a tour that sold a 100 million in tickes back in 2004, has been on every major program on T.V that includes music including the Super Bowl in which he received universal praise for his performance. Yet you don't think the masses would notice him if he walked down the street. Which he just did in San Francisco and he was noticed. If he want out on a U.S tour tommorow you and all the haters would be freaking out to get tickets and I bet he would sell another 100 million. Go put down the crack pipe your smoking and try thinking. Prince is a celeberity who is 30 years into his carreer and appears to be as known as anyone else from his golden period. | |
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Rebeljuice said: laurarichardson said: ----- Please name the ones that are known by the masses. Please name the ones that are having the sort of career that P has had. Let's be honest you can be producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse today but you are not going to see an artist receive the notoriety or credit for it in the manner that P has. Those days in the music industry are over. You didnt say Prince is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse that are known by the masses and had a long career doing it" You just said he is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse" to which I said "no he isnt, there are plenty". And known by the masses is a bit speculative these days anyway. He isnt known by the masses anymore. the masses have either not heard of him or know him as the guy that was big in the 80's, some 30 years ago, and did that Purple Rain. He is only known by the (dwindling) fanbase masses predominantly. But I get what you mean. If truth be told, Prince would have fared better over the years if he didnt have an iron fisted control over everything he did. His self-production has been sounding tired and "samey" for years. ----- "You just said he is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse" to which I said "no he isnt, there are plenty". Please name the producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse" that is known to the masses today. Come with some fucking facts. | |
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laurarichardson said: Rebeljuice said: You didnt say Prince is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse that are known by the masses and had a long career doing it" You just said he is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse" to which I said "no he isnt, there are plenty". And known by the masses is a bit speculative these days anyway. He isnt known by the masses anymore. the masses have either not heard of him or know him as the guy that was big in the 80's, some 30 years ago, and did that Purple Rain. He is only known by the (dwindling) fanbase masses predominantly. But I get what you mean. If truth be told, Prince would have fared better over the years if he didnt have an iron fisted control over everything he did. His self-production has been sounding tired and "samey" for years. ----- "You just said he is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse" to which I said "no he isnt, there are plenty". Please name the producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse" that is known to the masses today. Come with some fucking facts. tit |
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Rebeljuice said: laurarichardson said: ----- "You just said he is "last real producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse" to which I said "no he isnt, there are plenty". Please name the producer/songwriter/musician/singer all around work horse" that is known to the masses today. Come with some fucking facts. tit ----- Still nothing to back up your comment. | |
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peter430044 said: In the case of Do Me Baby, if princevault.com is correct, it was written by André Cymone but credited to Prince. Question is, why would Cymone agree to that?
That may have been, at the time, one of the reason Andre' and Prince had a falling out ... Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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moderatorhe stole jesse johnson's title "shockadelica" in a very nasty way, purposefully just before jesse released his album called "shockadelica"... | |
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Let's see - Laura is wrong on this. While the Musicology tour was the top grossing tour of 2004, it didn't make the $100,000,000 in ticket sales mark. It grossed $87 million, and was seen by 1.47 million (which oddly serves an average ticket price of $59).
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about prince being widely known, there's 6 billion people in the world. how many of those 6 billion know of him? or are you just talking about the U.S. this too shall pass | |
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Instead of arguing semantics with that person, let's realize something: Prince didn't go on tour in 2004 and sell 1.47 million tickets to the tune of over $87,000,000 because people didn't know him. That IS the masses. If Prince had 1.47 million fans, then LotusFlow3r would have sold more than a mere 168,000 in its first week. So is he known by the masses? Yes, he is. But is his fan base a lot smaller? Definitely. Most of the 1.47 million folks at the 2004 tour were Top 40 listeners. People still know "U Got The Look", "Cream", "Diamonds and Pearls", or even "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" when they hear it on the radio. Prince's "know who that guy is" status goes well past and beyond "When Doves Cry" or "Little Red Corvette" or "Kiss". Let's not fool ourselves. | |
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