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laurarichardson said: Dave1992 said: He wasn't, really. His first album didn't sell and chart that well, especially not when compared to its production costs and all that. Furthermore, he didn't give concerts yet, because he didn't have a proper band and because the one's he played with were not yet tight and perfect enough for a tour. ----- Owen said the first contract was in the six figures so he was close to being a millionaire That's not how record deals work. That initial contract was the budget for the first three albums, not how much money was given to Prince. You have to recoup the budget the label gives you in record sales before you make any money from them. |
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moderatorNastradumasKid said: Huggiebear said: Reminds me of the hood near us, full of rotting state houses, shops selling RTDs and cheap ass boose, butchers with povi masima and lamb flaps (Low quality cuts of meat bought by the poor). Loan shark shops everywhere, dodgy gambling parlours, tinnie houses (Our version of crack houses selling dope and other drugs (Not crack though) p), ethnic foodstores, dairies selling cheap unpasteurised milk and $1 loaves of bad bread (And even smokes for $1 each). Full of school dropouts, beneficiaries and criminals and mostly Pacific and Maori people, a thriving rap scene, gangs heaps of tagging (Grafitti) and fish and chip, KFC, McDonalds etc and their imitators (Lots of fried chicken joints), only one hospital and unsafe at night. Wheres this hood, not Compton or Watts but Manukau city in South Auckland, New Zealand. And I think Prince's housing in PR was more solid working class like Mt Wellington or Mt Roskill rather than these ghetto ass suburbs. Sheesh all that in that area???!!! Wow! Kind of reminds me of QueenBridge, NY. Yeah, I guess compare to other houses, the house in PR was okay, but IDK, it still look kind of shoddy, like lower-middle house.  You mean the 'Queensbridge Projects', situated very close to Long Island City, Queens, NY. Damn, I've heard for years, how bad it is over there.[Edited 3/30/10 10:13am] | |
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Militant said: laurarichardson said: ----- Owen said the first contract was in the six figures so he was close to being a millionaire That's not how record deals work. That initial contract was the budget for the first three albums, not how much money was given to Prince. You have to recoup the budget the label gives you in record sales before you make any money from them. ----- Whatever, some portion of the contract went into Owen and P;s pockets. They went to S.F to work on the record and rented a place to stay and they must have had to have pocket money. I also stated that Ebony listed him as a millionaire in 81. The point is P had a nice chunk of change in his pocket when he was 18. | |
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Militant said: laurarichardson said: ----- Owen said the first contract was in the six figures so he was close to being a millionaire That's not how record deals work. That initial contract was the budget for the first three albums, not how much money was given to Prince. You have to recoup the budget the label gives you in record sales before you make any money from them. Not true. Artists get advances in those deals. I doubt Prince's advance was $1 million but it was certainly substantial. Don't forget, there was a bidding war for him. | |
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RodeoSchro said: Militant said: That's not how record deals work. That initial contract was the budget for the first three albums, not how much money was given to Prince. You have to recoup the budget the label gives you in record sales before you make any money from them. Not true. Artists get advances in those deals. I doubt Prince's advance was $1 million but it was certainly substantial. Don't forget, there was a bidding war for him. I know that - I'm signed to Universal myself, and was signed to EMI before that, and Sony BMG before that. There's no way that Prince's initial advance was anywhere near a million dollars. Regardless, you end up paying more in the long run for your advance. They're non-refundable but the label recoups them from the artists share of the royalties, even though they are already taking the lions share of them anyway. Laura, WB paid the studio costs and rent for the recording of the first album in Sausalito. They may or may not have given Prince daily living budgets too, but again, they would have recouped all of this from his royalty share anyway. |
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2elijah said: NastradumasKid said: Sheesh all that in that area???!!! Wow! Kind of reminds me of QueenBridge, NY. Yeah, I guess compare to other houses, the house in PR was okay, but IDK, it still look kind of shoddy, like lower-middle house. You mean the 'Queensbridge Projects', situated very close to Long Island City, Queens, NY. Damn, I've heard for years, how bad it is over there.
[Edited 3/30/10 10:13am] Ooooohhh!!! That area something else I tell yeah! I lived in Yonkers so there you go. | |
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Genesia said: WaterInYourBath said: Well, "poor" is kinda relative. His "poor" may be considered "rich" to really destitute people. Plus, I remember reading in one of Per Nilsen's books that Prince's father worked at an electronics store or factory, and that his family was middle class. Andre's mother may have had a harder time since she had more children to care for. From what I've seen/read, I wouldn't call any of them "poor," but that's just my opinion. His dad worked for Honeywell as a plastics molder. I suspect that most of Prince's "poorness" stemmed from the fact that he ran away from home at 12. Honeywell PLASTICS. My mistake, I thought it was electronics.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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WaterInYourBath said: Genesia said: His dad worked for Honeywell as a plastics molder. I suspect that most of Prince's "poorness" stemmed from the fact that he ran away from home at 12. Honeywell PLASTICS. My mistake, I thought it was electronics.  | |
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Militant said: RodeoSchro said: Not true. Artists get advances in those deals. I doubt Prince's advance was $1 million but it was certainly substantial. Don't forget, there was a bidding war for him. I know that - I'm signed to Universal myself, and was signed to EMI before that, and Sony BMG before that. There's no way that Prince's initial advance was anywhere near a million dollars. Regardless, you end up paying more in the long run for your advance. They're non-refundable but the label recoups them from the artists share of the royalties, even though they are already taking the lions share of them anyway. Laura, WB paid the studio costs and rent for the recording of the first album in Sausalito. They may or may not have given Prince daily living budgets too, but again, they would have recouped all of this from his royalty share anyway. I stand corrected. | |
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NastradumasKid said: I mean, on the real, would you even consider the area he grew up in a hood? I'm only asking because some people said he did. (go figure)
BTW, that house in Purple Rain looked pretty trashy. OMG stop it!
Ok wait...  | |
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Militant said: RodeoSchro said: Not true. Artists get advances in those deals. I doubt Prince's advance was $1 million but it was certainly substantial. Don't forget, there was a bidding war for him. I know that - I'm signed to Universal myself, and was signed to EMI before that, and Sony BMG before that. There's no way that Prince's initial advance was anywhere near a million dollars. Regardless, you end up paying more in the long run for your advance. They're non-refundable but the label recoups them from the artists share of the royalties, even though they are already taking the lions share of them anyway. Laura, WB paid the studio costs and rent for the recording of the first album in Sausalito. They may or may not have given Prince daily living budgets too, but again, they would have recouped all of this from his royalty share anyway. ----- What is your point? He still received some advance irreguardless of WB recouping it later. He was 18 with money in pocket not a million but he was not poor anymore. | |
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WaterInYourBath said: Genesia said: His dad worked for Honeywell as a plastics molder. I suspect that most of Prince's "poorness" stemmed from the fact that he ran away from home at 12. Honeywell PLASTICS. My mistake, I thought it was electronics. Honeywell makes/made all kinds of stuff. At the time, they were best known for things like thermostats, air filters, humidifiers, etc. All of which require plastic parts and electronics.  We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Prince had modest/humble beginnings but he was never dirt poor or anything. Never on public aid or anything. You can live in the hood and not be of the hood so to speak. And sometimes...just sometimes...those so called poor neighborhoods are not as poor as you might think. | |
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Genesia said: WaterInYourBath said: Honeywell PLASTICS. My mistake, I thought it was electronics. Honeywell makes/made all kinds of stuff. At the time, they were best known for things like thermostats, air filters, humidifiers, etc. All of which require plastic parts and electronics. Right. So his specialty was plastic molding for the products, but the company sold electronic items. Cool. I'm sure he earned a nice salary doing that."You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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DesireeNevermind said: NastradumasKid said: I mean, on the real, would you even consider the area he grew up in a hood? I'm only asking because some people said he did. (go figure)
BTW, that house in Purple Rain looked pretty trashy. OMG stop it!
Ok wait... ;lol: What? I'm serious! That house looked ghetto as hell!  | |
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NastradumasKid said: DesireeNevermind said: OMG stop it!
Ok wait... ;lol: What? I'm serious! That house looked ghetto as hell!  stop it i said! | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Prince had modest/humble beginnings but he was never dirt poor or anything. Never on public aid or anything. You can live in the hood and not be of the hood so to speak. And sometimes...just sometimes...those so called poor neighborhoods are not as poor as you might think.
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DesireeNevermind said: NastradumasKid said: ;lol: What? I'm serious! That house looked ghetto as hell! stop it i said! No! "Answer me Muthafucker!!!" *Then does a sissy turn*
Shit I grew up poor, but I lived in better houses than that mess!
[Edited 3/30/10 13:39pm] [Edited 3/30/10 13:39pm] | |
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NastradumasKid said: DesireeNevermind said: stop it i said! No! "Answer me Muthafucker!!!" *Then does a sissy turn*
Shit I grew up poor, but I lived in better houses than that mess!
[Edited 3/30/10 13:39pm] [Edited 3/30/10 13:39pm] it did look like it had a smell! | |
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DesireeNevermind said: NastradumasKid said: No! "Answer me Muthafucker!!!" *Then does a sissy turn*
Shit I grew up poor, but I lived in better houses than that mess!
[Edited 3/30/10 13:39pm] [Edited 3/30/10 13:39pm] it did look like it had a smell! Lord! It reminds me of the housing in the poor parts in Atlanta. | |
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that's it I'm leaving. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: that's it I'm leaving.
Okay, I'm gonna stop. | |
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Yesterday's and today's are like night and day. He might have been in a hood for yesterday's standards. | |
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fantasticjoy said: Yesterday's and today's are like night and day. He might have been in a hood for yesterday's standards.
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DesireeNevermind said: NastradumasKid said: No! "Answer me Muthafucker!!!" *Then does a sissy turn*
Shit I grew up poor, but I lived in better houses than that mess!
[Edited 3/30/10 13:39pm] [Edited 3/30/10 13:39pm] it did look like it had a smell!
That's when he started burnin' all them candles.  [Edited 3/30/10 14:38pm] We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: DesireeNevermind said: it did look like it had a smell!
That's when he started burnin' all them candles.
[Edited 3/30/10 14:38pm] Probably because of all the fucking his parents doing, like remember that scene when they were making out on the couch?   | |
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DesireeNevermind said: fantasticjoy said: Yesterday's and today's are like night and day. He might have been in a hood for yesterday's standards.
 Oh Lordy!!!!!  | |
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this is the most useless thread that I have seen in months | |
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Brofie said: this is the most useless thread that I have seen in months
No. That Jill Scott thread was the most useless thread here in months. | |
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NastradumasKid said: Brofie said: this is the most useless thread that I have seen in months
No. That Jill Scott thread was the most useless thread here in months. oh no you didn't!  that jill scott thread is on and poppin!! of course now they're talking about asian eyelid surgery so.... | |
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