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Reply #30 posted 03/27/10 12:50pm

xpertluva

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ernestsewell said:

trickster said:

thanks for this info:

Box O’ Chocolates

didnt know anything about it ... will check it out now lol

It's been all over the Org for the past couple of weeks.


Dang, I didn't know about it either. Everytime I saw mention of it, I thought it was about the song.
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Reply #31 posted 03/27/10 1:07pm

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xpertluva said:

ernestsewell said:


It's been all over the Org for the past couple of weeks.


Dang, I didn't know about it either. Everytime I saw mention of it, I thought it was about the song.


Oh, buddy, it's glorious. Find the FLAC files and enjoy.
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Reply #32 posted 03/27/10 1:10pm

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sorry for not knowing this guy, Mr. G??

who is he?? confused

he's 100% right all the way through. cool
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Reply #33 posted 03/27/10 1:34pm

Clubkid

thedance said:

sorry for not knowing this guy, Mr. G??

who is he?? confused

he's 100% right all the way through. cool


G is a long-time Prince fan. He also worked on "Ultimate Prince." His site is really cool. He goes to tons of concerts and art exhibits and he blogs about his adventures on http://www.according2g.com
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Reply #34 posted 03/27/10 1:52pm

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^ Thank you for the reply, ClubKid. biggrin

thumbs up!
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Reply #35 posted 03/27/10 3:15pm

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ernestsewell said:

xpertluva said:



Dang, I didn't know about it either. Everytime I saw mention of it, I thought it was about the song.


Oh, buddy, it's glorious. Find the FLAC files and enjoy.


Great! Looks like my weekend is set then!
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Reply #36 posted 03/27/10 3:50pm

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aintnoboutadoubtit said:

Love Prince like hell, but this is 'it' in a nutshell:

According2g, here’s what Prince should do:

- Treat your fans better. In the digital age, even legends are quickly forgotten.

- Before you record another note, go back and listen to some of your old stuff to remember what it sounds like to make an amazing track.

- Quit suing fans. It just makes you look like an asshole.

- Pay your taxes.

- Release some live DVDs from past tours to appease die-hard fans and introduce your wonderful world to legions of new fans.

- Dust off some of the stuff in your legendary vault. What is the point of recording a song a day for the last 30 years if nobody is going to be able to hear any of it?

- Do not succumb to peer pressure and work with it producers, though a duet every now and again might be fun.

- Follow through with the promises you make. Your word is the law. If you can’t deliver the content, why bother teasing fans?

- Read According2g.com every day (just thought I’d throw that one in for good measure).

Come back Prince, music needs you!!!



If he followed that business plan, not only would he please the fans but I imagine life would be a lot less stressful for him.

However, I do think 'Purple & Gold' was a throwaway Anthem and I liked 'Cause & Effect'.

i know, right.
thats what i thought when i read it.
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Reply #37 posted 03/27/10 3:53pm

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Boriqua1130 said:

squirrelgrease said:

Prince needs a hug. And a slap. And then another hug.



giggle

*Tough love*

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Reply #38 posted 03/27/10 4:14pm

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Haha! What a crazy year so far!

A few things I don't necessarily agree with though:

I'm not convinced on the "Cause & Effect" argument. Sure, some didn't like it, but it wasn't unanimously hated upon like the author suggests. Reaction was probably 50/50... like just about everything he's released post-1985.

- Before you record another note, go back and listen to some of your old stuff to remember what it sounds like to make an amazing track.

A tired and subjective argument. I know a lot of fans who consider albums like TRC, 3121 and Lotusflow3r to be up there with his peak '80s work. Similarly, it seems he did do this for MPLSound and (while I liked it) a lot of fans complained that it was just Prince recycling himself.

- Dust off some of the stuff in your legendary vault. What is the point of recording a song a day for the last 30 years if nobody is going to be able to hear any of it?

You know, as I get older, I've realised that a lot of those 'legendary' outtakes aren't as legendary as they're cracked up to be. Sure, there's the odd classic - "All My Dreams", "Large Room With No Light", "Rebirth Of The Flesh" etc., but really a large percentage of them are unfinished or just lukewarm experiments. If he released every note he recorded, then you'd get just as many people complaining that he releases too much sub-par material!

Don't get me wrong, as an avid fan/collector, I'd easily snap up a Crystal Ball 2 release and probably love it. But would it make an impact on the greater music public? Probably not. It's not going to 'fix' his career.

- Do not succumb to peer pressure and work with "it" producers

Has he ever done this? neutral
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Reply #39 posted 03/27/10 4:32pm

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Clubkid said:

Sticky!

This seems to express what everyone is thinking and no one is saying!



what are you talking about? everyone is saying it....
"does my cock look fat in these jeans?"
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Reply #40 posted 03/27/10 4:32pm

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thedance said:

sorry for not knowing this guy, Mr. G??

who is he?? confused



Clubkid
"does my cock look fat in these jeans?"
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Reply #41 posted 03/27/10 4:34pm

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I agree with toejam. Telling him to go back and listen to his old stuff for inspiration is a complete non-starter for Prince. He's not going to to do. Nor would I want him to. While I like the throwback feel/sound of some of his more recent stuff, I'd prefer him to just do what he wants to, musically.

As for the rest of it, they're pretty obvious observations that people have been voicing for many, many years now.
"does my cock look fat in these jeans?"
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Reply #42 posted 03/27/10 7:42pm

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The original post is spot on. I put it on my Prince blog.

It really sums up everything all of us have said for months (even years) on here about any particular issue.

i wonder if the person who wrote it is a Fan/Fam
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Reply #43 posted 03/27/10 8:37pm

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SomewhereHereOnEarth said:

ernestsewell said:

The original post is spot on. I put it on my Prince blog.

It really sums up everything all of us have said for months (even years) on here about any particular issue.

i wonder if the person who wrote it is a Fan/Fam

He's realistic.
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Reply #44 posted 03/27/10 9:57pm

StevenAnthony

I wrote an article very similar to this the day of the $77 disaster, and then a follow up yesterday. I don't know if Ernest is talking about my letter but I think he might be.

I'm a big fan, I just want Prince to do something right for once. Treat his fans well. His music is his material, he can do what he wants on that front. He owes none of us any sort of music. But if we pay for a service, he does owe us everything up to a point (which he/his team obviously failed to deliver on.) As far as the other lawsuits go, that is all Prince's fault, regardless of what he would have others think.

If he had no intention of promoting the 3121 perfume, he shouldn't have signed the deal. If he wanted to pull out of a huge stadium gig 10 days prior, he should have at least given those fans a reason. I don't think these things are ridiculous to ask of him; Prince is human and he is allowed to make mistakes, but he needs to acknowledge mistakes instead of just letting them pile up.
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Reply #45 posted 03/27/10 9:58pm

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StevenAnthony said:

I wrote an article very similar to this the day of the $77 disaster, and then a follow up yesterday. I don't know if Ernest is talking about my letter but I think he might be.

I'm a big fan, I just want Prince to do something right for once. Treat his fans well. His music is his material, he can do what he wants on that front. He owes none of us any sort of music. But if we pay for a service, he does owe us everything up to a point (which he/his team obviously failed to deliver on.) As far as the other lawsuits go, that is all Prince's fault, regardless of what he would have others think.

If he had no intention of promoting the 3121 perfume, he shouldn't have signed the deal. If he wanted to pull out of a huge stadium gig 10 days prior, he should have at least given those fans a reason. I don't think these things are ridiculous to ask of him; Prince is human and he is allowed to make mistakes, but he needs to acknowledge mistakes instead of just letting them pile up.

In this case, I was directly referring to the original article for this thread, by "G". I did post your "dick" article as well, which I found very spot-on as well.
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Reply #46 posted 03/28/10 12:08am

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The blogger is spot on but i doubt in Prince world,Prince doesn't even realise he is doing anything wrong.
If he had some kind of manager who wasn't a "yes man" he might be fine.
Instead he has people round about him who are afraid pissing him off and losing their job.
It's actually pretty sad.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #47 posted 03/28/10 12:21am

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toejam said:


- Do not succumb to peer pressure and work with "it" producers

Has he ever done this? neutral



I think that was more of a preemptive "don't" lol Tho he did kinda veer off in that direction for Rave hmmm (maybe not "producers", but he had a hell of a lotta guest stars)
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Reply #48 posted 03/28/10 1:24am

Clubkid

SomewhereHereOnEarth said:

ernestsewell said:

The original post is spot on. I put it on my Prince blog.

It really sums up everything all of us have said for months (even years) on here about any particular issue.

i wonder if the person who wrote it is a Fan/Fam


Yes... I am big fan. Been to over 50 shows, have all the boots, etc. Not a "fam" though. I've had many encounters with him and ex-associates and it's hard to find them or myself having nice things to say about the person, other than he makes great music. (Sorry to burst anyone's bubble that thinks the man is perfect). Plus, I listen to tons of other music, though I'm always willing to toss other artists aside when there's a groovy Prince track to listen to.
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Reply #49 posted 03/28/10 4:33am

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Well, I love 'The Gold Experience', 'TRC', 'One Nite Alone Piano', 'Musicology' and 'Lotusflow3r' and consider them to the same standard as most of his 80's work.

Plus, songs like 'The One', 'I Love U, But I Don't Trust You Anymore', 'The Dance', 'When Eye Lay My Hands On U' etc, are not ignored by me.
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Reply #50 posted 03/28/10 10:40am

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"- Treat your fans better. In the digital age, even legends are quickly forgotten. "


This is laughable... Not to defend Prince at all, but most of the fans complaining are not "good, righteous people" themselves.. You can tell by their demeanor..in person, and online. Some pimped bootlegs, download locations, and mixed CDs of legitimate releases, and deserved to be sued.

One in particular was doing so, and had the nerve to slam Prince publicly before Prince sued him..lol. (You knew that something was coming..) Just because they cry on the internet all of their lives, does not mean that they were innocent. Sometimes that "Squeaky Wheel" is actually a "bad wheel".

Some want CDs for free... And access to everything..Some are very impatient and belligerent-like they have nothing else to do with their lives on a daily basis...some even have children and spouses--and continue to waste precious time with them worrying about what Prince is doing.


On top of it all, they like the sinful stuff....Nasty look, nasty ways, nasty people.


You try to reason with some, and they are just internet warriors.. Saying things online that they would never say in public. Yeah, real good fans..


If this "article" says "treat them better", then give the ways..



Prince can go on tour this summer in Europe alone, and recoup all of his losses.. This guy needs to focus on his own life, and stop gossiping.


YHWH is Elohim and Yahsohua in King
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Reply #51 posted 03/28/10 11:02am

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Clubkid said:

SomewhereHereOnEarth said:


i wonder if the person who wrote it is a Fan/Fam


Yes... I am big fan. Been to over 50 shows, have all the boots, etc. Not a "fam" though. I've had many encounters with him and ex-associates and it's hard to find them or myself having nice things to say about the person, other than he makes great music. (Sorry to burst anyone's bubble that thinks the man is perfect). Plus, I listen to tons of other music, though I'm always willing to toss other artists aside when there's a groovy Prince track to listen to.


It's nice to see a straight shooter who actually has real inside knowledge to back it up. Good article.
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Reply #52 posted 03/28/10 11:23am

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It's a bit of hype fluff to say that the Chocolate Box bootleg is pristine quality... the songs sound like decent CASSETTE quality, a bit murked up on the Girl o My Dreams/Feeling/We Can Funk section, thicker murk evident on the All Day All Night. Still it's better than what the vinyl sounded like (or the subsequent CD versions from the late 80's early 90's. Clear treble throughout.

Really "All Day All Night" almost sounds like the kind of degradation you would hear on the inner grooves of a bootleg record, which makes me wonder exactly why that track sounds more poor (are these culled from different but clearer sources?). Witness (which never was part of that song list originally on the original boots from '88) sounds great, as does Dorothy Parker and Starfish (but those two known songs are identical to what was officially released on the SOTT album minus the alarm clock sound effect beginning Starfish).

What is missing and is much missed by all the old bootleg collectors is Joy in Repetition intact on its own with the lone drum machine intro (no segue sfx).
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Reply #53 posted 03/28/10 11:53am

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Linn4days said:

"- Treat your fans better. In the digital age, even legends are quickly forgotten. "


This is laughable... Not to defend Prince at all, but most of the fans complaining are not "good, righteous people" themselves.. You can tell by their demeanor..in person, and online. Some pimped bootlegs, download locations, and mixed CDs of legitimate releases, and deserved to be sued.

One in particular was doing so, and had the nerve to slam Prince publicly before Prince sued him..lol. (You knew that something was coming..) Just because they cry on the internet all of their lives, does not mean that they were innocent. Sometimes that "Squeaky Wheel" is actually a "bad wheel".

Some want CDs for free... And access to everything..Some are very impatient and belligerent-like they have nothing else to do with their lives on a daily basis...some even have children and spouses--and continue to waste precious time with them worrying about what Prince is doing.


On top of it all, they like the sinful stuff....Nasty look, nasty ways, nasty people.


You try to reason with some, and they are just internet warriors.. Saying things online that they would never say in public. Yeah, real good fans..


If this "article" says "treat them better", then give the ways..



Prince can go on tour this summer in Europe alone, and recoup all of his losses.. This guy needs to focus on his own life, and stop gossiping.


YHWH is Elohim and Yahsohua in King


Good post.
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Reply #54 posted 03/28/10 11:56am

Clubkid

squirrelgrease said:

Clubkid said:



Yes... I am big fan. Been to over 50 shows, have all the boots, etc. Not a "fam" though. I've had many encounters with him and ex-associates and it's hard to find them or myself having nice things to say about the person, other than he makes great music. (Sorry to burst anyone's bubble that thinks the man is perfect). Plus, I listen to tons of other music, though I'm always willing to toss other artists aside when there's a groovy Prince track to listen to.


It's nice to see a straight shooter who actually has real inside knowledge to back it up. Good article.


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Reply #55 posted 03/28/10 1:44pm

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Clubkid said:

squirrelgrease said:



It's nice to see a straight shooter who actually has real inside knowledge to back it up. Good article.


Mission accomplished... my next goal - world peace. smile

lol
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Reply #56 posted 03/28/10 1:48pm

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Linn4days said:

"- Treat your fans better. In the digital age, even legends are quickly forgotten. "


This is laughable... Not to defend Prince at all, but most of the fans complaining are not "good, righteous people" themselves.. You can tell by their demeanor..in person, and online. Some pimped bootlegs, download locations, and mixed CDs of legitimate releases, and deserved to be sued.

One in particular was doing so, and had the nerve to slam Prince publicly before Prince sued him..lol. (You knew that something was coming..) Just because they cry on the internet all of their lives, does not mean that they were innocent. Sometimes that "Squeaky Wheel" is actually a "bad wheel".

Some want CDs for free... And access to everything..Some are very impatient and belligerent-like they have nothing else to do with their lives on a daily basis...some even have children and spouses--and continue to waste precious time with them worrying about what Prince is doing.


On top of it all, they like the sinful stuff....Nasty look, nasty ways, nasty people.


You try to reason with some, and they are just internet warriors.. Saying things online that they would never say in public. Yeah, real good fans..


If this "article" says "treat them better", then give the ways..


Prince can go on tour this summer in Europe alone, and recoup all of his losses.. This guy needs to focus on his own life, and stop gossiping.


YHWH is Elohim and Yahsohua in King

officially release stuff, good stuff, into wrecka stows...and the fans/fams will buy.
Not every one wants to (or knows how to redface ) download music)

bootlegs are a fact of life..the one way to stop them is release them officially, i have read here some peeps pay for boots...better to give the money to the creator isnt it.
They are out there, why not recoup something for them shrug

and if you offer something for sale, on, lets say for example, a web site, and take ppls money, deliver the goods!!!
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Reply #57 posted 03/28/10 2:56pm

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I'm sorry, but reading that just made me think of this...




Lawd, somebody pass the tissue!!!
JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!!
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Reply #58 posted 03/28/10 7:41pm

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psychodelicide said:

Is Prince’s Purple Kingdom Crumbling?
Posted by The G on March 26, 2010 under GNN

Photo by G. Art by Mr. Brainwash



Prince's court cases are sounding like a broken record.



2010 is not Prince’s year. Here’s a brief summary of why it sucks to be Prince in 2010.

- Prince writes a fight song called Purple and Gold for the football team the Minnesota Vikings. The song is regarded by legions of die-hard fans as not just the worst Prince song ever written, but the worst song ever written by any artist.

The org/media called it a fight song. I guess the Vikings mgmt liked it enough and it wasn't meant for release beyond hearing it at the game. The fans are the ones who gave it more play than it would've ever recieved on it's own.

- A baby wins a lawsuit against Prince. Last year, a mother posted a video of her baby dancing to the song Let’s Go Crazy on Youtube and Prince’s people sued for copyright infringement. He lost.

and...

- Revelations Perfume & Cosmetics is about to sue Prince for not properly promoting his new fragrance 3121. It was recently ruled that the suit is legitimate and fraud charges against the singer are to be filed.

definitely a legit issue.

- A bootleg called Box O’ Chocolates containing some of Prince’s best loved unreleased songs leaks for free in near-perfect sound quality. The purple one has let these unreleased gems rot away in a vault instead of letting people hear them and now if he decides to dust off these tracks, his die-hard fans already have them in sound quality that is very close to an official release. All of the songs were recorded in the golden age of Prince during the period of 1984 - 1987. The tracks include Wonderful Ass, Girl O’ My Dreams, We Can Funk, A Place In Heaven, All Day, All Night, Data Bank, and Witness 4 The Prosecution.

I heard these songs in 1988 and if he did release them now they'd just be better sound quality tracks that I've heard a thousand times. Pretty much every fan has heard these songs more than enough that they no longer warrant a release.

- Prince’s short lived fan site Lotusflow3r is not continuing for a second year. Fans were charged $77 for a 1-year membership. It was rumored that 8 albums worth of unreleased material would be available for download on this site, rare videos would be offered and fans would get priority access to concert tickets. It turns out that Prince only played in Los Angeles, Monte Carlo, Minnesota and Paris during this time, so if you did not live or visit those cities, access to pre-sale concert tickets was for naught. The members received a free download of his triple album set that was for sale at Target for a much cheaper price of $11.99, a handful of streaming (and not downloadable videos) consisting primarily of videos that his die-hard fans have had for years, and a few (but not all of the members) received a free T-shirt. What fans also received was finding out exclusive Prince news on other sites long before he posted the information to paying customers.

Most on the org didn't care for the site and complained about it for the entire year and now they're bitching cause it's gone. What's wrong with that picture. Just set Prince's bed on fire and call it a wrap!

- Prince gives a new song called Cause and Effect to a Minneapolis radio station. A 15-second teaser consisting of an electrifying guitar solo leaks a few days prior leaving fans totally disappointed when the rest of the song turns out to sound nothing like the teaser, but instead like a really bad cover version of a Prince song.

I liked this song.

- Prince is forced to pay an Irish promoter nearly $3 million for canceling a 2008 concert in Ireland at the last minute after over 55,000 tickets had already been sold.

He must have been the first entertainer on the planet to have cancelled a concert. Always on the cutting edge! lol

- Prince owes the state of Minnesota a figure somewhere between $200,00 and $400,000 in unpaid property taxes and authorities are reporting this is not the first time they’ve had to chase Prince for the money.

He received notice all of about 5 weeks ago. Better consficate his passport. Next thing he'll owe T-mobile for 2 months of unpaid cell usage lol

According2g, here’s what Prince should do:

- Treat your fans better. In the digital age, even legends are quickly forgotten.

- Before you record another note, go back and listen to some of your old stuff to remember what it sounds like to make an amazing track.

- Quit suing fans. It just makes you look like an asshole.

- Pay your taxes.

- Release some live DVDs from past tours to appease die-hard fans and introduce your wonderful world to legions of new fans.

- Dust off some of the stuff in your legendary vault. What is the point of recording a song a day for the last 30 years if nobody is going to be able to hear any of it?

- Do not succumb to peer pressure and work with it producers, though a duet every now and again might be fun.

- Follow through with the promises you make. Your word is the law. If you can’t deliver the content, why bother teasing fans?

- Read According2g.com every day (just thought I’d throw that one in for good measure).

Come back Prince, music needs you!!!

The link: http://according2g.com/20...crumbling/


My favorite quote from this article, "Quit suing fans. It just makes you look like an asshole." lol
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #59 posted 03/29/10 5:11am

SoulAlive

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According2g, here’s what Prince should do:

- Treat your fans better. In the digital age, even legends are quickly forgotten.

- Before you record another note, go back and listen to some of your old stuff to remember what it sounds like to make an amazing track.

- Quit suing fans. It just makes you look like an asshole.

- Pay your taxes.

- Release some live DVDs from past tours to appease die-hard fans and introduce your wonderful world to legions of new fans.

- Dust off some of the stuff in your legendary vault. What is the point of recording a song a day for the last 30 years if nobody is going to be able to hear any of it?

- Do not succumb to peer pressure and work with it producers, though a duet every now and again might be fun.

- Follow through with the promises you make. Your word is the law. If you can’t deliver the content, why bother teasing fans?

- Read According2g.com every day (just thought I’d throw that one in for good measure).

Come back Prince, music needs you!!!


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