do you have 2 use the n word? i hate that word. p is more of a man than you will ever be.everyone has 2 sides (fem & masc) a man is a man if he can truely show both sides.and p shows both sides, so i quess that p is a bigger man than you will ever b.and this is coming from a sister that loves p and his music, among other things.

I will say this on the issue as well. There is a certain sensitivity that is require to truly appreciate a real artists and his work. Prince's work has always been based on this. In fact, one of the aspects of PRince as an artist is his ability to implement those male and female elements of sensitivity in his work which appeals to both sexes and sexual orientations. THe sexual content of his early work never descended to the level of smut and disrepect that today's music has fallen to.

Some men feel that any demonstration of sensitivity compromises their manhood. To the contrary, it actually verifies their masculinity and their security with it. How can you wear a blow wave and lace pants with your asscheeks hanging out and STILL pull babes like Nona Gaye, Mayte, CArmen Electra, and Kim Basinger? Prince does it because he exudes that secure masculinity that attract chicks more than that macho gesturing and bravado that most men fall back on to assert themselves and , of course, get pussy.

Wash his mouth out with some ivory soap

or some of Prince's lavender bath salts

MYNAMEISFACE said:

Bullshit..Prince was or even more smutty as those idiots of today. The Controversy poster, the songs like Head, Sister, Lets Pretend Were married etc...dont even try to defend Prince for being a aptron saint or whatever just because he is our fav artist etc...stop being a hypocrite.Not saying that Prince can't be tender etc but come on...




Again I must and will say, bullshit . Dont go giving Prince this ultimate credit for being able to be sensitive and masculine with no qualms about it or qualms about his masculinity..he isn't actually doing anything bold or daring dressing etc how he does ..he is in the "limelight" ..a rock star..its EASY to do what he does in that element. Now some folks who dress like that in the "real" world etc who are not in the media etc are people that should be heralded as being above all the stereotype of not being able to be sensitive yet stil masculine etc. And it is also more than a way of "dress" or lyrics. It is a way of handling yourself, the way you deal with relationships etc. Dont be fooled..Prince is not as "free spirited' as you think Face. Would he be accepting of other men etc who were as bold as him in his way of dress etc? And the fact that you say he could dress the way eh did and still "pull" women such as you said does NOT say shit about anything in the long run. Being able to pull a woman not in the limelight or who wants to be part of that and sticking with one due to love etc is much more "manly" or meaningful than your what you think of having meaning..ass out pants and still being able to get that pussy.

Nice try Face

rdhull said:

It is not a "nice try" as you are completely off the mark with your analysis of what I said. I dont mention Prince's dress as a factor in aqnything regarding this issue. If you care to carefully read what you so hastily paraprased incorrectly, you will see that I am talking about his WORK; not his clothing or fashion sense. My point - again for the intellectually challenged - is that Prince has been uninhibited in expressing the androgynous aspects of hi persona in his work. This is something that no one else who doing - especially a straight black male artist. PRince did deal with issues and themes - sexual and otherwise - that no one else was touching in their music.

My humorous aside about the ass pants was an example of something that Prince did that tested the boundaries of what a straight man who is a sex symbol to women could get away with. Prince has gotten away with several innovations throughout his career that no one else has.

Sorry - thhat is a fact. Read the history after you read what I actually wrote. [Snipped slightly to remove flame. Ian]

rdhull said:

I have to agree with FACE on this one, RD.

There is a difference between smut and sexual explicitness.

I don't know of anything to the degree of "my neck, my back, my crack (lick it)" or a "Fuck Dem Other Hoes" in Prince's catalog. I don't know of any instance where he's exhibited violence, sexual or otherwise, toward the women in his lyrics. Do you think he'd have so many older MATURE female fans if this was the case? I'm talking about the women closer to his age range, not some of those who are younger who will take the disrespect because of the groupie mentality.

There is a difference between a lot of the gangsta rap lyrics about women and the lyrics Prince has penned. Nobody said he wasn't sexually explicit, nobody said the direct to the point content in some of his past music wasn't objectionable to some people, nobody said he didn't curse. BUT, if you're taking these things into account as equating to smut...there is no doubt in my mind that when it comes to the smut factor, and the disrespect factor, it's just no contest between some of the gangsta rap, and some of the other songs that came after his commercial heyday.

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MYNAMEISFACE said:

Bullshit..Prince was or even more smutty as those idiots of today. The Controversy poster, the songs like Head, Sister, Lets Pretend Were married etc...dont even try to defend Prince for being a aptron saint or whatever just because he is our fav artist etc...stop being a hypocrite.Not saying that Prince can't be tender etc but come on...








and his "work" was addressed..thats why I gave the wexmaple s of Lets Pretend Were Married etc as examples of how yes..Prince was smutty adn it still stands. you claim his work and naughty lyrics never fell to this eras level of smut or disrespect and I say bullshit again...Horny Toad ( all I want it to whip your body until you start to bleed...Irrsistable Bitch...Something In The water -Bitch, you think you're special? etc. Im not saying he was never "nice" but there are several instances where he was not exactly a gentlemen with women) and that does not mean that he was not sensitive in his music hbut to totally blind ones self to te smut and disrespect in some songs is not a fair assessment.



And this example of his dress was not just an aside and thats why I commented on it because you DID make it a semi issue..if it wasn't apart of what your meaning was dealing with his "WORK" then don't use it in your sililoquy of "sensitivity".




I "did" read what you wrote..you said Prince allowed a sensitivity in his music that was not the norm and it kind of had and could influence men to be the same way..to utilize the adrogony of sensitivty that is stereotypically against the usual neanderthalic way of thinking...so much that you say "I cant tell you how many chicks I nailed on my bed under the poster from the Controversy album"...real sensitive there Face..guess Princes NON smutty music got in the way of sensitivity there eh?




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[This message was edited Fri Jan 31 17:08:44 PST 2003 by rdhull]

Supernova said:

See Darling Nikki and Head...that isn't smut?



Prince has a history of the woman done me wrong so I will talk bad about her songs..and only they have been bad etc...but also se Horny Toad and others I mentioned..and Lady cab Driver he makes the woman pay for the sins of the world with thrusts of his penis..what a guy! Also se Bob George..Never mind that this era has takin it to another level because thats a normal (although sad) progression(even the word progression is dubious here).



I never said he was NEVER mature in his music and his themes..Im just saying he HAS been irresponsible at times as well and to not just think he is this "great sensitive romantic feeling with no bad parts" type of guy,since the past music in parts have shown that. Hey--the review for Parade even mentioned that the guy "had finally grown up" in his lyrics of relationships and feelings etc. (see Rolling Stone A Voodoo Childs Slight Return).



Im not taking those things into account especially since its mostly a diff genre and atmosphere..hell, Prince "paved" the way in some aspects for whats allowed on record etc.

i think one of the big differences is that Princes warning label type of songs weren't singles like alot of other artists were. Even Erotic City wasn't released as a single it was a b side that the radio stations made into a hit.

rdhull said:

Lawd, compared to some of the gangsta lyrics over the past dozen years? NO. Those two songs are quite TAME in that analogy. Re-read what I said; I said FACE didn't say Prince's lyrics weren't objectionable to some people. To me "smut" is a different matter than just plain explicit - though I'm sure there are those straight-laced folks who do consider it "smut", even if a song is only hypothetically suggestive. I'm sure some straight-laced folks think George Michael's "I Want Your Sex" is smut too - I don't, yet I don't like the song either.




OK, but what does this have to do with the violent content TOWARDS women I talked about? I mean, you can find many men who talk bad about women in songs after they've been wronged, and vice versa. It does not equate to violence.


You had the wrong lyrics for "Horny Toad"...
"all I want is to rub your body until u start to bleed"
There's a difference between rubbing and whipping, right? Hey, I'm not saying that lyric isn't deranged, or even sadistic, it is. But COMPARED to 90s gangsta rap violent? Have you even listened to as much of that stuff as you have of Prince's music? Unfortunately I've been exposed to some of that stuff, and I have a feeling you'd cringe at some of the stuff they so in those songs.


Come on RD, you're the only person I've heard take issue with what others deem/hear as the woman enjoying rough sex. I don't know one single female outside of uptight PMRC-types who thinks that's violence against women.


1. Bob George was sung in the third person. It wasn't first person rhetoric.

Who bought U that diamond ring? Yeah, right
Since when'd U have a job?
U seein' that rich motherfucker again
What's his name? Bob?
Bob, ain't that a bitch?
What's he do 4 a living? Manage rock stars?
Who? Prince?


2. After TRIPPING, he obviously thought better of it about even releasing that record, and we all know what happened after that.




You're starting to miss the point here though. I was agreeing with FACE about Prince's lyrics IN COMPARISON to what's been going on in music (especially gangsta rap) over the last dozen years basically. It's not really about him being mature. That's what his first paragraph was directly about. I didn't respond to the other stuff he said.


That, I don't disagree with at all.

Supernova said:

And thats my point--Im not comparing like you are. Just because you put Prince music up to something else of today and say "this isn't as smutty"..does NOT mean it was not smut. geez.



That, I don't disagree with at all.[/quote]

odd that

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RD said:

It's called an analogy, keep up now.

RD said:

See, that's where you've TOTALLY missed the point of the analogy in the first place. If you understood the analogy you'd realize the irony of that text in bold.

RD said:

Well, I guess you TOTALLY missed the point of FACE's first half of his post too, because that's exactly what you contested in the first place, and what I agreed with him about.

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And never agreed to release it.

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Disagree.

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RD said:

Again, that's what the first half of FACE's post was all about, and that's what you contested, and I agreed with FACE about. Keep up now...