TheVoid said:

you love your labels dont you

citrus said:

huge vs. small balls being your primary method of expression
on a discussion of this nature You deserve a label.

TheVoid said:

love wins

TheVoid said:

love wins

andyf said:

basically,he's trying to say that love is better than hate I can't argue with that view,but it doesn't exactly translate into a compelling film.

citrus said:

[Edited 3/15/10 6:27am]

citrus said:

Indeed.


...but not in this thread.

SoulAlive said:

Unless they can CGI some flying monkeys shooting out of Morris Day's ass, I'm never gonna be watching it again.

TheVoid said:

Oh that still makes me laugh out loud when I see it. Excellent.

citrus said:

Indeed.


...but not in this thread.

wildgoldenhoney said:

love always wins

citrus said:

I AM LOVE.

andyf said:

I have not been able to watch this film in it's entirety -- and we're in what century now? "Purple Rain" overwhelmed me in '84, I dig "Cherry Moon" to this day, still digesting "3 chains" (don't get it... the players suck). Circumstances haven't been convenient, but I will see this movie soon. I can say that in 1990 I was able to enjoy much of the CD, I didn't get the concept and really hated all the anthem-like songs but loved much of the remaing songs.

I do believe that the movie is greatly misunderstood, and for that we are free to criticise Prince.

kmc said:

Fair enough. I not only think his film is misunderstood, I think he is v. misunderstood. With regards to cricising him, I see your point. But many people seem to mock him/take the micky on posts. The film and his other work are his creations. These posts us orgers do are our creations. Many posters do not mind having a pop at Prince's output, but if anyone has a pop or mocks that poster's own output (i.e. his/her particular post), they get all piqued. See the irony?

And remember, Prince has to contend with so many people posting about him when they don't really know him, posting about him when they think they know him and do not, posting about him in a mocking fashion (which is easy humour, too easy humour; if you are going to mock, at least show some creativity about it, like the great Charlie Brooker).

So Prince has to contend with about 1000 times more criticism than the average poster here. And that criticism is about his creations, which he considers to be his children. The amount of silly rumours circulated about Prince are so ridiculous. I applaud the man's restraint and patience and acceptance on this issue, 'cos I know it would annoy me.

I like your post, though

Dr Fiolgood

andyf said:

basically,he's trying to say that love is better than hate I can't argue with that view,but it doesn't exactly translate into a compelling film.

SoulAlive said:

There's also a theme about how his music isn't relevant anymore and he's lost touch with reality...

Which of course, is totally not like Prince at all... oh hang on...

erik319 said:

I still like you, but I do not think you listened properly to the CD he gave out free a few years ago. Illusion, Coma, Pimp and Circumstance too.

If Nobody gets a second chance, btw, be Nobody. Too many people want to be somebody.

Is Burnley humour as good as Bury's? Victoria Wood is from Bury, no?


Dr Fiolgood

andyf said:

in terms of artistic critisism, it is important (at times) to distinguish between the art and the artist; i think this act is very hard for many orgers.

with that being said though, and also looking beyond our personal gripes with the movie, the TEXT itself has many themes (and here I'm being being hypocritical) about the man under analysis

firstly, the film is concerned with the following themes/question among others:

1) good vs evil
2) hope
3) power of music
4) a son's relationship with his parents
5) grief and the challenges we face as human beings

obviously, it is easier to diss Prince's directing skills than it is to probe the themes/messages of the film,

but then again, "it's mo' hard to love, than it is to hate...sing it y'all...it's mo hard to love, than it is to hate"

peace and be wild

andyf said:

For me he isn't as relevant as he once was. He still produces the odd gem, but there's a lot more mud around them nowadays. I don't mind skipping stuff to get to the stuff I like, I just dislike (and this isn't aimed at you, it's an org thing), costantly being told I am wrong, simply because I am honest when I say I dislike some of his recent stuff. To each their own, and we'll all be happy, don't tell me my opinions are wrong, just because they differ from yours.

Barmy!

Ah the joys of the internet forum, eh? hehe

Northern humour is great, very dry and sarcastic, or very obvious and fun. Bury is a good place for comedy, as is Bolton, both are only a 15 minute drive away. A lot of British humour in general (especially dry whit) is kinda lost on here, as it's not really understood my other countries, USA included. It makes for interesting conversation though and it sometimes leads to very funny threads where you can take the mickey, and people think that you're deadly serious

Those at the bottom, in other words, are really at the top.

SoulAlive said:

I'll bet he wasn't trying to say that. Love and hate are very yin yang. Blimey, you claimed to understand, and I don't think you do understand. People who have 'Love' and 'Hate' tattoed on their knuckles actually understand the nature of life (Watch The Night of the Hunter, with Mitchum). And no, I still am too poor to watch the GB film. I do know the title though, Graffiti Bridge. Do you even know what the title (and only the title, leave the film out for now) means? I'll bet you misunderstand that too. Lol. I'll apologise, all going well, if I am wrong. Just a bet, you see, a guess. I'm agnostic, like Manuel, I know nothing.

Lol, you know (imho) one of the biggest ironies in all this (and I assume you do notice irony when you see it. I bloomin' well hope so! I don't want you too piqued), one of the biggest ironies is that I myself am not, repeat not, claiming to understand Prince. I am just guessing and as I have said countless times, I may be wrong.

You inadvertantly educated me with your previous post, which I thank you for, but not with this one. Your writing style is alright though.


Andy Fiol (someone's put his real name. No smoke, no mirror. No cloak, no dagger ).

NelsonR said:

Nice post Nelson. Did you mean hyper-critical rather than hypocritical?

In any case, better a hypocrite than a liar, better a liar than a snitch, better a snitch than a litterbug, better a litterbug than an elitist.

Yes, sometimes (sometimes!) art and the artist are 2 different things. Sometimes they are not. Ask Henry Miller, Oscar Wilde and Salvador Dali. Ya see, when the person becomes so at one with his/her work, then they are not separate--inspiration is merging the mental with the physical. We all know this feeling. 2 Become 1. Artist becomes Art. And in Renaissance times, the greatest artists made no distinction between science and art.

But this is besides the point. I like Prince, I respect Prince, and if he says his creations are like his children, then I will respect this. Too many others think they are clever in mocking when they are not.

I do believe you have done Prince a good service here, though. Your exegesis seems to prove that GB is being misunderstood by other posters.

Actually, what people seem to miss is the fact that it is very easy to be nice. People do not want to be nice because they think they are kings or queens and thus deserve being served. A true king or queen understands that he or she should be prepared to do the serving themselves. Those at the bottom, in other words, are really at the top. Those who think they are at the top, well, many are not really. Bless 'em all, though!

Love and Hate, believe it or not, are on a 'photo finish, lol!

Who's pimping who? Who's zooming who?

All the best

Andy Fiol

Ya see, when the person becomes so at one with his/her work, then they are not separate--inspiration is merging the mental with the physical. We all know this feeling.

andyf said:

No,that's exactly what he was trying to say! Trust me,the film isn't any deeper than that.There's not some big,complex,misunderstood message that somehow flew over the heads of everyone who sat in a theatre and watched it

Please see the film and then come back to this thread!

In relationship to the movie and his persona, Prince has brought this upon
himself.

He has intentionally blended his art with his philosophy or spiritual outlook on life. So, when he was grinding the floor on stage, or singing about masturbating with a magazine, people thought it was cool, naughty and could identify with the xxx vibe.

Furthermore, his flirtations (though rather rather thin-veiled at times) with "God" before 1987 were never really taken seriously (imo) by the greater public....they said: "damn, dude is nasty as hell but still believes in God."

But now, as in GB, you get this prophetic message without the "nasty" Prince. He's not undressing, he's not swearing, but his themes are actually against what pop culture so often depends on: sex, cheating and so on...

Perhaps it could be that Prince's music does not really fit into what record labels want to sell...

Perhaps Prince is damn lucky to be "born-again" and for being able to preach through his music and STILL be successful; I do not know who else could get this right.

Cat Stevens tried, didn't get to far...
[Edited 3/16/10 5:31am]

SoulAlive said:

You have not read my last posts. I am too poor to see GB atm. I simply do not like the way posters were taking the micky out of Prince's output, any output. Now you or they would not like me to take the micky out of yours or their output? And I have read your output. And theirs. I disagree with your above points. You may be right, as I keep saying and I may be wrong. The first thing I said (apart from "Mandate my ass" Gil Scott Heron), was we best agree to disagree. Watch Night of the Hunter, and I may get a loan out to get GB on video. I refuse to watch any bootleg, 'cos Prince does not like that, and out of respect for his creations, I refuse. I mean, I disagree with him on this particular point (the bootleg issue), but out of respect for him, I will not hear or see any of his bootlegs.

Btw, if you have not caught the 'deepness' of something, how do you know it is not deep? Does a fool think he is wise? Does a wise person think he/she is a fool?

"This is such a crock of S**T" (Al Pacino, Scent of a Woman)

Andy Fiol

andyf said:

There's really no point in continuing this discussion until you see the film.I'm done! Have a nice day.