have u ever realised that prince givs a fuck abt what u think? every other independent artist is so reliant and dependent on his fan base...prince isn't. he struts around like there's no tmrw...love that
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Funkyalien said:

lol yea ive noticed it

Funkyalien said:

I think he cares. But only because he is forced to from time to time.

Creep appeared on lotusflower only after fans and Radiohead themselves caused a stink.

He released Xpectation & Cnote, to shut fans up who were unhappy with the way he fulfilled the '4 albums' deal at NPGMC (he even changed the names to make it perfectly clear how he felt)

And course, PFUnk was released because he tried controlling the fan sites, and the fans fought back.

He might not sit reading the org all day, but when our opinions matter, he can't avoid them.

erik319 said:

no opinions do matter, but prince's strength is his confidence..it has always been....these little two-bit opinions are shite...his belief in his music got him where he is..let him do his own thing..every big artist..and prince is a big artist..has phases....that's the hallmark of an artist....because he isn't a major label, and has no one to promote him, ppl take him for granted...face it folks, prince isn't mainstream..of course he has had big hits but he isn't mainstream bcoz he doesn't subscribe to the mainstream notion of acceptable pop..never has...i think he has spawned a whole new cult subculture which will stay alive 200 years from now..mayb more...his legend can only increase..don't think in terms of hits or mass acceptance, pretty please...prince outgrew the 80s b4 the 80s outgrew him....
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Funkyalien said:

I really like this, and was about 2 say something similar.

Giovanni777 said:

thx giovanni...i think the time has come to take our discussions to a new level... no other artist in the world..forget black,white, pop rock or jazz....forget picasso or warhol...has such fierce belief in his own craft, and the fan base and nuance to back it up..he has written almost as many songs as rabindranath tagore for god's sake...anybody listening....

Funkyalien said:

I'll agree with that part. I'm not really sure about him 'outgrowing'. I'd say, if anything, he was a precocious teenager who's 'settled down' with age.

200 years time? Well, we won't know will we, but if you look at what people listen to today that is 200 years old... It would be interesting to say the least if 2210 thought of 'Sexy MF' as 'classical music'

erik319 said:

great point, erik...it's not abt classical music, tho....it's abt a movement....tell me one artist, from robert johnson to erika badu to anushka shankar to justin timberlake...who has spawned a subculture...prince never wanted to be cult, love him for that....remember batman after lovesexy, bcoz lovesexy spawned this whole new intellectual debates? but prince is too good for mass appeal...he doesn't need to go the james cameron way...i say give prince his confidence....he's a natural artistic leader...he's nothing less than the leonardo da vinci of modern popular music...and of course u don't need to appreciate everything leonardo da vinci wrote or created...
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Funkyalien said:

You have good points, but you would look a lot more intelligent if you made your points in readable text. Punctuation. Capitalization. Paragraphs.

Dan must have lost his "PRINCE HATES HIS FANS AND WE LOVE HIM FOR IT" clipart because he should have posted it here by now.

Funkyalien said:

That's why we have judicial systems.

1.6 mil
Ass kicked by baby
Sued over perfume...PERFUME

Prince may not care, so luckily there are entities to MAKE him care from time to time.

I think he does care and has given us a lot - don't know that many artists that do what he does - take fans to a cinema, cheap concert tickets, free CD's etc etc

Funkyalien said:

I could not have said it better

LittleNicci said:

He never gets credit for those things. People find something to complain about

Hold on, are you saying he doesn't give a fuck or does? Sometimes people say it wrong. Like you may just have.

Funkyalien said:

let's not forget that he had all those years when he WASN'T independent to build up a fanbase. it's not as if he's some new indie artist coming out of left field. he had a corporate machine making him a megastar and building up exposure and a fanbase for him for 20 years before he decided he could go it alone. i'm sure he works hard at it now (well, depending on his attention span for a project, etc.), but someone else did the really hard work of laying the groundwork.

Giovanni777 said:

The realist post on the org .....right on the money..

Mars23 said:

Pleaszzzz....."Don't Belive the Hype" if you really think Prince spends top money on top class lawyers for him to lose more than he gains....your looking at the wrong Cat.....

I think "don't play me" says it all ....

Funkyalien said:

But it works both ways!
"I dont give a fuck what he thnks either"

erik319 said:

I think his albums especially the last two were a clear indication that he listens a lot. You had a whole load of people asking for a guitar album and the others wanted a mpls sound thing. And what did he put out?

I think he cares very much as well. I think he is disappointed in his album sales over the last 15 years. I think he is trying to get a huge mega hit again. I think maybe he is trying too hard to please the 1984 fans.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Yeah, but the 1984 fans are gone. They left in 1985.

Those that stayed were then 1986 fans, then 1987 fans, etc.. And he picked fans up as he went, whilst leaving some behind.

So it's pointless saying that he is trying to pander to 1984 fans, as they're actually (generally speaking) 1978 - 1988 (or 1995 in many cases) fans.

It's when he became 'Free' that he seemed to lose focus. It's been discussed many times, maybe it was because of the sad death of his child, the fact that he no longer had any limitations he had to adhere to... whatever it was, he changed. His lyrics became stranger, harder to access and became colder and not as personal.

That may have been a defence mechanism due to the loss, I dunno, but Prince definitely did change and a good number of fans (the one's I mentioned above) have spent the last 15 years hoping that he gets that spark back. He comes close from time to time, but doesn't get there. And the longer it goes on, the sadder, and more frustrated those fans get. Especially when there are another group of fans telling them they are wrong for their beliefs ever 2 minutes.

It's even more frustrating as we ALL want him to release a top notch record again... Here's to the next one