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Do People Actually LISTEN To Prince Music Anymore?! I have been listening to old and new Prince music and I don't see where all the hatred is coming from... Many artists have not delivered their best every time... But considering the amount of music that Prince has turned out over 32 years, I think it is amazing that he continues to deliver good music--Lotusflower had some good songs! But, putting new music into context; does anyone really listen to songs like they used to? I thought this comment from Brofie is worth repeating because it really has to do with what we as music lovers and consumers in the past and present decide how we rate music:
"In this world of throw away music and instant gratification, we have lost the ability to consider and ponder all art to the fullest potential. This is one reason there are so few worthy complete albums today. There was a time when people had to sit down with an actual piece of vinyl and a record player and listen to a complete album; not just a collection of random music files without some artistic or conceptual framework. People read the liner notes and studied the cover art. They sat around the card table or at the backyard cookout and discussed it. There was a tangible dimension to the music. Music wasnt gulped down in large digital chunks. It was savored, revisited, studied, copied, admired - it was a lasting component of our lives that actually scored (and, there by, immortalized) the most important and vivid memories in our lives. "Today, it doesnt even have to be real art - or real music. No one cares because there is something else coming right behind what you just heard and it is disposable too. I suppose that makes true artists like Prince a dying breed. But then that has been the case for the last 20 years. That Prince is even still around and can get on the charts or get a Grammy nomination at all is more than astounding to me. "I guess I say all that to say give new music from a genius some further consideration - at least listen to it more than twice - before making a judgement. Sometimes there is still some of that thing that made people truly listen to music back in the day." --Brofie What do you think?  | |
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I do listen to Prince.
btw I've got the cd from the 21 nights Prince book playing right now  
Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture! REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince "I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben |
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moderatorluv4u said: I do listen to Prince.
btw I've got the cd from the 21 nights Prince book playing right now Mmmmm...love that cd...nice book too...an i listen 2 The purple midget every day. | |
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MikeyB71 said: luv4u said: I do listen to Prince.
btw I've got the cd from the 21 nights Prince book playing right now Mmmmm...love that cd...nice book too...an i listen 2 The purple midget every day.  you're as bad as me 
Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture! REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince "I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben |
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luv4u said: MikeyB71 said: Mmmmm...love that cd...nice book too...an i listen 2 The purple midget every day. you're as bad as me Haven't heard the 21 Nights CD but planning on buying the book to get the CD since it is so cheap now! Listening to "Do U Lie?" from the Parade album right now...and I do mean LISTEN!  | |
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A lot of people get burnt out.
If you constantly listen to the same artist you will eventually tire of them. I listen to Prince and Prince influenced music on a regular basis but not strictly. There are a decent amount of people in my age group who like Prince and his associated acts but i dont think people care about the history of music anymore. out with the old in with the new. they want a kesha-tiktok instead of a complete album You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam! | |
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minneapolisFunq said: A lot of people get burnt out.
If you constantly listen to the same artist you will eventually tire of them. I listen to Prince and Prince influenced music on a regular basis but not strictly. There are a decent amount of people in my age group who like Prince and his associated acts but i dont think people care about the history of music anymore. out with the old in with the new. they want a kesha-tiktok instead of a complete album It's good to take a break and listen to other artists.
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Of course I listen to Prince. I am always interested in what he has to say. I do not think that everything he writes is genius and I never have.
No matter what, there will be people who will not accept anything less than 100% adoration for Prince's music. Those who live to tear down those who do not think like them are no better than the people they label "haters". | |
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luv4u said: minneapolisFunq said: A lot of people get burnt out.
If you constantly listen to the same artist you will eventually tire of them. I listen to Prince and Prince influenced music on a regular basis but not strictly. There are a decent amount of people in my age group who like Prince and his associated acts but i dont think people care about the history of music anymore. out with the old in with the new. they want a kesha-tiktok instead of a complete album It's good to take a break and listen to other artists. Of course, I agree with listening to other artists; maybe what I didn't make clear with my post is the WAY we as a collective society listen to artists now, including P, as opposed to how we used to LISTEN to artists. That's what Brofie's quote is about... Acutally sitting and listening and digesting the music instead of regurgitating upon instant reaction!  | |
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poetcorner61 said: luv4u said: It's good to take a break and listen to other artists. Of course, I agree with listening to other artists; maybe what I didn't make clear with my post is the WAY we as a collective society listen to artists now, including P, as opposed to how we used to LISTEN to artists. That's what Brofie's quote is about... Acutally sitting and listening and digesting the music instead of regurgitating upon instant reaction! Yes. Taking notice of each instrument etc.
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poetcorner61 said: luv4u said: It's good to take a break and listen to other artists. Of course, I agree with listening to other artists; maybe what I didn't make clear with my post is the WAY we as a collective society listen to artists now, including P, as opposed to how we used to LISTEN to artists. That's what Brofie's quote is about... Acutally sitting and listening and digesting the music instead of regurgitating upon instant reaction! It may just be I am just tired of trying to decipher Prince lyrics or it may be dude is trying to be deep but really isn't with the newest song. | |
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Vendetta1 said: poetcorner61 said: Of course, I agree with listening to other artists; maybe what I didn't make clear with my post is the WAY we as a collective society listen to artists now, including P, as opposed to how we used to LISTEN to artists. That's what Brofie's quote is about... Acutally sitting and listening and digesting the music instead of regurgitating upon instant reaction! It may just be I am just tired of trying to decipher Prince lyrics or it may be dude is trying to be deep but really isn't with the newest song. You may be right. I respect thoughtful opinions people give after really listening. The new song doesn't grab me after multiple listenings...but several off Lotusflower did...  | |
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I still listen to music a lot like I always have but I've never been one to just sit and listen to several songs from only one artist unless I had just recently bought their album or was in a particular mood to hear them that night. I've always been one to play a Prince song in the middle of songs by other artists with similar tempos for a party feeling like you're at a club.
From time to time, I might get in a Prince mood and throw on an album and just let it play while I'm getting ready for work but it's always an old one like "Dirty Mind", "Controversy", etc. I may even sit down some nights and play several Prince and associates songs in a row that fit a particular Prince mood I might be in that night but it's always something old also. Usually from 1978-1984 but I'm usually always in the mood for music from various artists. In recent years, the only time I play an entire new Prince album repeadedly a lot, is when I first buy it and then I put in on the shelf and play something from it when I get a mood to hear it again, which isn't very often. With the last album though, I played it a few times for like maybe three days and that was it. . . . [Edited 3/2/10 22:52pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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poetcorner61 said: Vendetta1 said: I've never changed the way I listen to music and I don't listen to most of today's pop music.
It may just be I am just tired of trying to decipher Prince lyrics or it may be dude is trying to be deep but really isn't with the newest song. You may be right. I respect thoughtful opinions people give after really listening. The new song doesn't grab me after multiple listenings...but several off Lotusflower did... | |
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poetcorner61 said: luv4u said: It's good to take a break and listen to other artists. Of course, I agree with listening to other artists; maybe what I didn't make clear with my post is the WAY we as a collective society listen to artists now, including P, as opposed to how we used to LISTEN to artists. That's what Brofie's quote is about... Acutally sitting and listening and digesting the music instead of regurgitating upon instant reaction! I used to do that in the late 1980s from the "Around The World In A Day" through the "Lovesexy" albums. When I first got into Prince in 1979 up through 1984, I would hear the new albums and instantly love them. From 1985 through 1988, I would get the new album home and say "what the hell was that". I liked some of the songs immediately but they were completely different from what I was used to when it came to Prince. Most of the rest of the songs quickly grew on me but hell, it wasn't the "Old Prince". For about three or four albums, I would get them home, listen to them, and cuss..."dammitt, he's still in that far out mood". I wanted to do like Cher in that movie and slap him and say..."Snap out of it!". When the 1990s arrived, it was a completely different era musically by all artists so I wasn't expecting Prince to ever snap out of it anymore.
Yeah, I was disappointed with those albums but I did like them, they just weren't what I was expecting. They did feel full of life though and were never bland. The newer stuff just feels "there", like Prince saying..."sigh....OK, it's time to put out a new album again", almost like going to a dreaded eight to five job like the rest of us. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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I was spinning the 3121 and lotusflow3r albums yesterday.Besides prince I've listened to a lot of Maxwell in the last days. And right now It's Nikka Costa time. [Edited 3/3/10 0:13am] |
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I think the preconception of what "listening" really means is a little problematic, just like any debate about what "true fans are" would be ..
I am how ever probably one of those who listens to records in the manner that you're thinking of, since I'm from that generation of people, who listened to vinyl and tapes and cd's and in as such has grown up associating an album as an entity, a complete work, and not just as a bunch of mp3's in any random constellation. But then again, I think there's probably always been a divide between the two types of listeners: the album crowd and the casual hit crowd, with the first consisting of people who'd dig an entire record and try to understand it and listen to each number as a part of a context, while the latter probably would be content to catch "Kiss" on the radio, maybe even record it off the radio on tape to create a mixtape of the current music they liked (or simply buying the single) or perhaps buy the entire album just to get that ONE song. Only, in the 1980s and the 1990s the effort you'd have to put into it in order to listen to it "casually" in stead of just going out and buying the record, would be considerably greater than it is today, where you just download an mp3 and sequence it with what ever you'd like, or download an entire album of mp3's and delete the songs that don't catch you immediately. This all just means, that the people who wanted "Kiss" and didn't want to rely on radio or wanted more material than just the single, would end up with an album and get exposed to songs that they'd either have to get use to (and in the sequence as printed) and perchance over time come to like, maybe even love, or to never again play on the turn table - where as today, with the mp3's those particular listeners can simply just delete the songs they don't like, and will never experience a "grower" record, as they don't allow themselves the chance to discover a song's potential over time. (Some say, that Radiohead's "Kid A" was the last record ever made, a record, where you'd have to sit through material you didn't quite "get" to get to the "good" stuff, and eventually would start to grasp the intention of the more out-there-stuff. Such an album would probably fail today with most people, as people would just delete all the songs that didn't catch their breath at first, and never learn to embrace the new sounds. Now that everybody is their own radio, they want killer track upon killer track, and if it ain't catching them the first time, they sure as hell won't listen to it a second time, and when the medium changed into the digital world, you never had to.) With iTunes, I think it's clear that of the two groups of listeners, the "casual" listeners are by far the largest group. This is a group that maybe uses music as wallpaper to their lives, as a product that fulfill a certain need; whereas the other group, probably listens to the music for the sake of the music itself. The latter group is probably also the group that goes out and buys limited editions and freshly pressed vinyls. So to answer you question: Yes, people still "truly" listens to Prince, in fact they listen just as hard as they've always done; but with the new way of presenting the music to the consumers, the vast numbers of "casual" listeners now don't have to buy an entire product but just the tidbits they like. The the percantages between casual fans and hardcore fans haven't really changed, the two groups of listeners are just as big as ever in terms of distribution, only now, with the mp3 and technology to bypass the artist's intention of musical context, it's far far more obvious that the casual fans are the largest group. I do how ever still hope that any act out there will still acknowledge the old school listeners by not just releasing random mp3's, but by making those "limited editions" and "special packages". But that's just the nerd in me. [Edited 3/3/10 1:08am] |
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I just recently got Lotusflow3r and Mplsound on vinyl and will be setting aside some time to sit with the headphones on and concentrate. Oh yeah, I have that [unofficial] 3121 set also, I'll have to pull it out and finally give it a listen too. | |
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Cravens said: Some say, that Radiohead's "Kid A" was the last record ever made, a record, where you'd have to sit through material you didn't quite "get" to get to the "good" stuff, and eventually would start to grasp the intention of the more out-there-stuff. Such an album would probably fail today with most people, as people would just delete all the songs that didn't catch their breath at first, and never learn to embrace the new sounds. Then I would have to politely disagree with the "some" who would say Kid A was the last example of this. It wasn't, nor have we seen the last of this type of record. But I agree that listening habits have changed and that a lot of good music is being overlooked for the quick fix of a one-off download single track. This is not an exit | |
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I usually listens to the old Prince music.
"I just can't get enough of this"!  [Edited 3/3/10 2:56am] Prince 4Ever. | |
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rocknrolldave said: Cravens said: Some say, that Radiohead's "Kid A" was the last record ever made, a record, where you'd have to sit through material you didn't quite "get" to get to the "good" stuff, and eventually would start to grasp the intention of the more out-there-stuff. Such an album would probably fail today with most people, as people would just delete all the songs that didn't catch their breath at first, and never learn to embrace the new sounds. Then I would have to politely disagree with the "some" who would say Kid A was the last example of this. It wasn't, nor have we seen the last of this type of record. But I agree that listening habits have changed and that a lot of good music is being overlooked for the quick fix of a one-off download single track. What I meant was that I think "Kid A" was the last to be looked at as an album as an entity. The content or the type of material or music wasn't really in question (because, yes, I agree others have made this sort of music afterwards, and others will in the future as well). It was purely a matter of how the music was percieved. As an album or a collection of songs. Today I think fewer will make such an album a no. 1 on the billboard.. they'd rather cherry pick the one or two songs they like, and discard the rest of the "collection". A song like "Idioteque" on "Kid A" for instance, is a song that needs all the other songs leading up to it to fully come together as a song, meaning it's an album song, not really an iTune song. And I think it's a pitty. Would "If I was Your Girlfriend" or "Sign O the Times" makes as much sense to people without the remaining album to give it context? Would "Life Can Be So Nice" ever stand a chance if it was soley released to iTunes today as part of a Parade package, or would most people delete it in favour of the more instant 1 or 4 hits? Hell, wouldn't Shockadelica be a lesser tune, to some extend, without its A side to give it context*? Everything of course comments to the mainstream consumers. (*this is an opinion, not a fact, eavesdroppers, no reason to gear up the war machine) |
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Cravens said: I think the preconception of what "listening" really means is a little problematic, just like any debate about what "true fans are" would be ..
I am how ever probably one of those who listens to records in the manner that you're thinking of, since I'm from that generation of people, who listened to vinyl and tapes and cd's and in as such has grown up associating an album as an entity, a complete work, and not just as a bunch of mp3's in any random constellation. But then again, I think there's probably always been a divide between the two types of listeners: the album crowd and the casual hit crowd, with the first consisting of people who'd dig an entire record and try to understand it and listen to each number as a part of a context, while the latter probably would be content to catch "Kiss" on the radio, maybe even record it off the radio on tape to create a mixtape of the current music they liked (or simply buying the single) or perhaps buy the entire album just to get that ONE song. Only, in the 1980s and the 1990s the effort you'd have to put into it in order to listen to it "casually" in stead of just going out and buying the record, would be considerably greater than it is today, where you just download an mp3 and sequence it with what ever you'd like, or download an entire album of mp3's and delete the songs that don't catch you immediately. This all just means, that the people who wanted "Kiss" and didn't want to rely on radio or wanted more material than just the single, would end up with an album and get exposed to songs that they'd either have to get use to (and in the sequence as printed) and perchance over time come to like, maybe even love, or to never again play on the turn table - where as today, with the mp3's those particular listeners can simply just delete the songs they don't like, and will never experience a "grower" record, as they don't allow themselves the chance to discover a song's potential over time. (Some say, that Radiohead's "Kid A" was the last record ever made, a record, where you'd have to sit through material you didn't quite "get" to get to the "good" stuff, and eventually would start to grasp the intention of the more out-there-stuff. Such an album would probably fail today with most people, as people would just delete all the songs that didn't catch their breath at first, and never learn to embrace the new sounds. Now that everybody is their own radio, they want killer track upon killer track, and if it ain't catching them the first time, they sure as hell won't listen to it a second time, and when the medium changed into the digital world, you never had to.) With iTunes, I think it's clear that of the two groups of listeners, the "casual" listeners are by far the largest group. This is a group that maybe uses music as wallpaper to their lives, as a product that fulfill a certain need; whereas the other group, probably listens to the music for the sake of the music itself. The latter group is probably also the group that goes out and buys limited editions and freshly pressed vinyls. So to answer you question: Yes, people still "truly" listens to Prince, in fact they listen just as hard as they've always done; but with the new way of presenting the music to the consumers, the vast numbers of "casual" listeners now don't have to buy an entire product but just the tidbits they like. The the percantages between casual fans and hardcore fans haven't really changed, the two groups of listeners are just as big as ever in terms of distribution, only now, with the mp3 and technology to bypass the artist's intention of musical context, it's far far more obvious that the casual fans are the largest group. I do how ever still hope that any act out there will still acknowledge the old school listeners by not just releasing random mp3's, but by making those "limited editions" and "special packages". But that's just the nerd in me. [Edited 3/3/10 1:08am] What is "listening" to music is not nearly as complicated as all that. | |
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Brofie said: Cravens said: I think the preconception of what "listening" really means is a little problematic, just like any debate about what "true fans are" would be ..
What is "listening" to music is not nearly as complicated as all that. Then what does "listening" to Prince music mean? Is there just one way to listen to music, as the OP seems to imply? It's simply a reaction to the old "Listening to music isn't what it used to be", which is a rather bold statement, and "listening truly" which is indeed a point of subjective opinion. Besides "all that" as you write, isn't all that complex. It's just that new technology has pushed a new way of consuming music forward, and the old way of "listening" is a dinosaur. |
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Got some Sly Stone on right now.
But yes, i still listen to Prince a lot. | |
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FunkyDissCo said: Got some Sly Stone on right now.
But yes, i still listen to Prince a lot. Well speak of the devil! I was just jamming off some "Loose Booty" in my ride! Now I'm working "Mother Beautiful" on guitar. Luv me some Sly & definitely P 4 that matter. As a musician, I don't care about come & go trends. It's those 2 along w/ Stevie, Aretha, Miles, Tina, Trane, Joni, James & MJ/J5! That's my story & I'm sticking 2 it!  |
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Smittyrock70 said: FunkyDissCo said: Got some Sly Stone on right now.
But yes, i still listen to Prince a lot. Well speak of the devil! I was just jamming off some "Loose Booty" in my ride! Now I'm working "Mother Beautiful" on guitar. Luv me some Sly & definitely P 4 that matter. As a musician, I don't care about come & go trends. It's those 2 along w/ Stevie, Aretha, Miles, Tina, Trane, Joni, James & MJ/J5! That's my story & I'm sticking 2 it! Not kidding, it was the "Small Talk" album i had on. Funny, isn't it? | |
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FunkyDissCo said: Smittyrock70 said: Well speak of the devil! I was just jamming off some "Loose Booty" in my ride! Now I'm working "Mother Beautiful" on guitar. Luv me some Sly & definitely P 4 that matter. As a musician, I don't care about come & go trends. It's those 2 along w/ Stevie, Aretha, Miles, Tina, Trane, Joni, James & MJ/J5! That's my story & I'm sticking 2 it! Not kidding, it was the "Small Talk" album i had on. Funny, isn't it? As Sly & the fam would sang "U got that right!" |
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Cravens said: Brofie said: What is "listening" to music is not nearly as complicated as all that. Then what does "listening" to Prince music mean? Is there just one way to listen to music, as the OP seems to imply? It's simply a reaction to the old "Listening to music isn't what it used to be", which is a rather bold statement, and "listening truly" which is indeed a point of subjective opinion. Besides "all that" as you write, isn't all that complex. It's just that new technology has pushed a new way of consuming music forward, and the old way of "listening" is a dinosaur. You arent even making sense to me at this point. All I can offer is a reading of my original post. It really is just that simple. | |
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Vendetta1 said: Of course I listen to Prince. I am always interested in what he has to say. I do not think that everything he writes is genius and I never have.
No matter what, there will be people who will not accept anything less than 100% adoration for Prince's music. Those who live to tear down those who do not think like them are no better than the people they label "haters".  | |
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Brofie said: Cravens said: Then what does "listening" to Prince music mean? Is there just one way to listen to music, as the OP seems to imply? It's simply a reaction to the old "Listening to music isn't what it used to be", which is a rather bold statement, and "listening truly" which is indeed a point of subjective opinion. Besides "all that" as you write, isn't all that complex. It's just that new technology has pushed a new way of consuming music forward, and the old way of "listening" is a dinosaur. You arent even making sense to me at this point. All I can offer is a reading of my original post. It really is just that simple. I really think I'm quite clear. And my post(s) agree with your views, only I'm trying to expand it a bit more. You write to give the musical genuis more than just one listen, and I agree, but also think that the new generation of listeners (the mp3 kids) won't ever do that, because music today is a "throw away" object to them. I'll better shut up then. I thought I was enormously clear, even to a fault. |
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