^I don't think Skywalker is suggesting that there isn't a place for criticism. From my understanding, the thread is about not forgetting the fact that Prince has always been controversial - always done things that have 'split' the fanbase in two. The love/hate reaction towards his new material is nothing new. Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
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skywalker said: The internet gave us all further reach for our opinions.
Pretend the internet/prince.org had been around since the beginning of Prince's career. At what points from 1978 onwards would have been a lightening rod of disagreements and complaining from fans? Off the top of my head, I am pretty sure Around the World in a Day would have drummed up all sorts of drama. Under the Cherry Moon (the movie) as well. What do you think? [Edited 2/27/10 10:23am] I think "back in the days" that most critism was aimed at the music only. What Prince was on stage and on the tv was merely icing on the cake and could probably more easily be ignored. Today, apart from the current critique of either of the latest two songs, the critism seems aimed at the man (anything from homophobia to JW to his conspiracy theories and his apparent catagorizing of "good people and bad people") and his business (Lotusflow3r.com, the fan site drama and so forth). But yeah, I think the critique of Purple and Gold and Cause and Effect now is somewhat over the top. As if people can't help but to mix their dissatifaction with the man and the cooporation "Prince" and then their personal dissapointment about the latest musical offerings. There is a difference between the two, I'd think. Surely though, the internet creates extremes. People who are pleased with the music, won't go on the internet and write about it, no, that's left to those who are enormously pleased with it and maybe feels indignated on behalf of Prince, thus making everything positive written on the .org sound either fanatical or just immaturely naive. While on the other hand, people who are mildly dissapointed with the music won't go on the internet either to write about their "mildly dissapointed views" (they'd probably just play something else entirely), whereas those who are hugely dissapointed probably will find time to write about every wrong note they think Prince is playing, thus making two distinct fractions: The over the top happy Prince consumers and the overly negative Prince consumers. Anything in between never gets a reply on these boards, as they're just "boring" and "old" and "too wordy" to any one of the two passionate groups... the moderate people simply gets drowned out and end up leaving the emotional passion-orgy on here, thinking "What the f...". To this though, I think it's important to remember, that those who initially paid 77 dollars for Lotusflow3r.com will feel more physically and literately invested in the man Prince (no, I didn't sign up for it, you see, I'm smart enough to not set myself up to a fiasco). Anywho. | |
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Kara said: Usenet has been around since 1979, so it is sort of possible to see what it would have been like if the internet had been around throughout Prince's career. Sometimes I find it interesting to search the archives and read people's opinions when things were actually happening.
For example... http://groups.google.com/...7b?lnk=gst Cool read, thanks for posting!! U can cut off all my fins - But 2 your ways I will not bend
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CabDriver said: skywalker said: The internet gave us all further reach for our opinions.
Pretend the internet/prince.org had been around since the beginning of Prince's career. At what points from 1978 onwards would have been a lightening rod of disagreements and complaining from fans? Off the top of my head, I am pretty sure Around the World in a Day would have drummed up all sorts of drama. Under the Cherry Moon (the movie) as well. What do you think? [Edited 2/27/10 10:23am] This type of "why must you be critical, don't you get it, blah blah blah..." crap about Prince is such BS. Understandable because of the large number of HARD CORD fans he has, but still. I've been a fan since his 3rd album came out, and have spent a ton of money on everything he's put out PLUS a ton of unreleased stuff. There was a time when I would count the days till the next release. Over time till now, years went by without me listening to much Prince. Why? Guess it's either cause I'm a hater and don't know it, or it could have something to do with a large amount of electro-funk forgettable music along with how he treats his fans. You can guess which I think... But over the last month or so, I've been listening to a lot of Prince. WHY? Because I found some cool stuff on YouTube and it stoked the fire again. Even busted out Around the World in a Day for a listen. But Prince's crew got the vids removed, leaving me with the option of visiting his crappy site (I didn't get past the first page), or getting annoyed and forgetting about him again. Guess what's happening... The man's a genius. One of my all time favs. But please drop the "hater" card and see that the man's career is where it is for no other reason than his actions and his music. He's too damn good for his own good imho, and it all comes too easy. There was a day when I would have paid 5x the purchase amount for a small Prince show. Last year I sold my LA tickets. Sad really, but the reviews from the show made me feel better. IMHO anyway... What a second post! In a year too!! Or is this one of "those" accounts, do you think? ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Efan said: It wasn't the Internet, but there were tons of people talking about Prince the old-fashioned way back in the day: face to face. I first heard someone say, "I'm a fan of the OLD Prince, not the new one" in 1984. Now the Internet gives current (and former) fans a place to converse, but I don't see it being all that different, really, from how it was in the '80s. The medium has changed but the messages haven't much.
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lazycrockett said: Efan said: It wasn't the Internet, but there were tons of people talking about Prince the old-fashioned way back in the day: face to face. I first heard someone say, "I'm a fan of the OLD Prince, not the new one" in 1984. Now the Internet gives current (and former) fans a place to converse, but I don't see it being all that different, really, from how it was in the '80s. The medium has changed but the messages haven't much.
In the old days your friends wouldn't have told you what a floon you were while today complete strangers have no qualm with calling your ass out. No, I'm pretty sure I've never been called a floon. Is that a bad thing? | |
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Efan said: lazycrockett said: In the old days your friends wouldn't have told you what a floon you were while today complete strangers have no qualm with calling your ass out. No, I'm pretty sure I've never been called a floon. Is that a bad thing? oh not you personally "your" in general. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. | |
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lazycrockett said: Efan said: No, I'm pretty sure I've never been called a floon. Is that a bad thing? oh not you personally "your" in general. Oh, I know you didn't mean me. I just wondered what a floon was. I know for sure my high-school friends in Iowa back in the '80s would never have used it. They called me plenty of other things, though. Most had no trouble telling me what they thought of Prince. | |
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