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Thread started 02/27/10 10:22am

skywalker

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internet prince fans and the irresistible urge to bitch

The internet gave us all further reach for our opinions.

Pretend the internet/prince.org had been around since the beginning of Prince's career.

At what points from 1978 onwards would have been a lightening rod of disagreements and complaining from fans?


Off the top of my head, I am pretty sure Around the World in a Day would have drummed up all sorts of drama. Under the Cherry Moon (the movie) as well.

What do you think?

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Reply #1 posted 02/27/10 10:36am

Tame

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No one wants to be treated like they were still in high school.

When U are 30 or 40 or 50 as Prince is, being 18 years old is just a shadow within U.

People around here complain about Prince not being a year ago, or ten years ago. These are the same people that are gonna want to be recognized for how they have grown, not 4 how they started their journey in life.

To really love anyone else, U have to appreciate all of the stones they have stepped on, and realize the path is still ahead. cool
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Reply #2 posted 02/27/10 10:54am

Kara

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Usenet has been around since 1979, so it is sort of possible to see what it would have been like if the internet had been around throughout Prince's career. Sometimes I find it interesting to search the archives and read people's opinions when things were actually happening.

For example...
http://groups.google.com/...7b?lnk=gst
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Reply #3 posted 02/27/10 10:58am

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skywalker said:

The internet gave us all further reach for our opinions.

Pretend the internet/prince.org had been around since the beginning of Prince's career.

At what points from 1978 onwards would have been a lightening rod of disagreements and complaining from fans?


Off the top of my head, I am pretty sure Around the World in a Day would have drummed up all sorts of drama. Under the Cherry Moon (the movie) as well.

What do you think?

[Edited 2/27/10 10:23am]


I reckon ATWIAD or Diamonds & Pearls would have been a humdinger of a time online.

Erik
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Reply #4 posted 02/27/10 11:10am

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I like ur first point it rings true 2 me...

as 4 ur 2nd question....yeah around ARTWID did stur up quite alot of negative criticism as fans and critics alike were yearning 4 a Purple Rain oncore....same thing with Prince's last 2 films after that not 2 menton the Batman album and everything past that. It just left me 2 c that there isn't a threshold 4 growth from the public else they would have cn how much Prince has evolved in the best he could and should.
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Reply #5 posted 02/27/10 11:15am

datdude

irresistible bitches on the org for SURE! the idea of "growers" has no place in cyberspace. he would've gotten slammed for EVERYTHING post PR
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Reply #6 posted 02/27/10 11:24am

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It wasn't the Internet, but there were tons of people talking about Prince the old-fashioned way back in the day: face to face. I first heard someone say, "I'm a fan of the OLD Prince, not the new one" in 1984. Now the Internet gives current (and former) fans a place to converse, but I don't see it being all that different, really, from how it was in the '80s. The medium has changed but the messages haven't much.
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Reply #7 posted 02/27/10 11:37am

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.....the urge "to Bitch"?

I don't think I "bitch" just because I'm critical,

Isn't it "the terms" for freedom of speech, to tell your opinion, and to share different opinions?

I don't like the new song, but still: I like to speak my honest opinion. You can't force me to like it can you.... wink

Some Prince "fams" tell me to leave the fan community sometimes, but why should I leave - I still love Prince music. Just not all of it.

But interesting idea: What if we had the internet in the 1980s..... imo. it would had been really lovely. Sure some would be critical back then too, but that's just the way it is,

different opinions, I guess we have to live with that.

Turn it around: wouldn't it be terrible if we all agreed on what is great and what is no so great?

this view is just imo. (a non-"fam") wink
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Reply #8 posted 02/27/10 5:13pm

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thedance said:

.....the urge "to Bitch"?

I don't think I "bitch" just because I'm critical,

Isn't it "the terms" for freedom of speech, to tell your opinion, and to share different opinions?

I don't like the new song, but still: I like to speak my honest opinion. You can't force me to like it can you.... wink

Some Prince "fams" tell me to leave the fan community sometimes, but why should I leave - I still love Prince music. Just not all of it.

But interesting idea: What if we had the internet in the 1980s..... imo. it would had been really lovely. Sure some would be critical back then too, but that's just the way it is,

different opinions, I guess we have to live with that.

Turn it around: wouldn't it be terrible if we all agreed on what is great and what is no so great?

this view is just imo. (a non-"fam") wink

I agree. The world would be one big yawn-fest. I had been visiting this site a LONG time before I decided to join, and I can honestly say that I found something special about everyone here simply by reading your posts. There are great debaters, poets, artists, musicians, comedians, atheists, people of faith, sexually diverse people, lovers, bitchers, young and old, people of varied colors and cultures, and orgers whose unique qualities I've yet to discover. Prince's music brought me to this place, but the it's the people that keep me coming back. It's you. I may not agree with your opinion about ATWIAD or UTCM, but I will always respect your opinion and the way you choose to express it. I'm sorry for going off topic skywalker...must be menopause. Now THAT'S an irresistably bitchy topic! boxed
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Reply #9 posted 02/27/10 5:18pm

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There would have been some major bitching when "Around The World In A Day" came out and even more when "Parade" came out.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #10 posted 02/27/10 5:22pm

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Efan said:

It wasn't the Internet, but there were tons of people talking about Prince the old-fashioned way back in the day: face to face. I first heard someone say, "I'm a fan of the OLD Prince, not the new one" in 1984. Now the Internet gives current (and former) fans a place to converse, but I don't see it being all that different, really, from how it was in the '80s. The medium has changed but the messages haven't much.


Exactly. That's when I first heard people bitching. Everyone I know still calls the Prince from 1978-1984 the "Old Prince".
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #11 posted 02/27/10 6:03pm

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I'm right with you Skywalker. As you mentioned in another thread recently, there's plenty of examples of critics who totally slammed his so-called "classic" albums back in the day. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

As for the internet and forums and such, it's always more likely for someone to post if they feel they have something negative to say. It's only natural, I suppose - you somehow feel betrayed that the song doesn't live up to your expectations.

However if you generally like the song, you're less likely to post because you already feel satisfied. You don't need other people's verification that your opinion is valid.

Hence what you see on internet forums such as the org is a skewed reflection of negativity. I've been an org reader now for 8 years and nothing's changed. It always appears that there's more 'haters' than there probably really are.

But anyway, my recent pet hate is the standard "if only Prince would make good music again" post. I love the way people just assume that there's some great indisputable and incorruptable gulf between "good" and "bad" music. For me, all music is "good" music... only some music is more appealling to me than others.
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Reply #12 posted 02/27/10 6:19pm

sweething

motus operendi. notice the same negative posters on every thread; some could very well have several .Org accounts making it appear that there are more dissents than raves.
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Reply #13 posted 02/28/10 1:14am

erik319

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sweething said:

motus operendi. notice the same negative posters on every thread; some could very well have several .Org accounts making it appear that there are more dissents than raves.


did you read the thread or just the title?

Erik
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Reply #14 posted 02/28/10 10:14am

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Love the new song, but I'm genuinely concerned about the backlash if Lotusflow3r does not deliver more before the subscription has ended.

The fallout among Prince's loyal fans could be considerable.

Some, if not all, of the particularly vicious comments are coming from those who haven't truly liked or supported Prince for years. But the loyal fans who coughed up $77 seem to be losing out.

Not least because some dickwad subscribers have uploaded all the musical content, sometimes even including videos, to free forums or bootlegging blogspots.
Funk is its own reward.
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Reply #15 posted 02/28/10 10:29am

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toejam said:

I'm right with you Skywalker. As you mentioned in another thread recently, there's plenty of examples of critics who totally slammed his so-called "classic" albums back in the day. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

As for the internet and forums and such, it's always more likely for someone to post if they feel they have something negative to say. It's only natural, I suppose - you somehow feel betrayed that the song doesn't live up to your expectations.

However if you generally like the song, you're less likely to post because you already feel satisfied. You don't need other people's verification that your opinion is valid.

Hence what you see on internet forums such as the org is a skewed reflection of negativity. I've been an org reader now for 8 years and nothing's changed. It always appears that there's more 'haters' than there probably really are.

But anyway, my recent pet hate is the standard "if only Prince would make good music again" post. I love the way people just assume that there's some great indisputable and incorruptable gulf between "good" and "bad" music. For me, all music is "good" music... only some music is more appealling to me than others.
[Edited 2/27/10 18:05pm]


Excellent post!
That the haters have multiple accounts I'm sure of.
Anyone who 99% of the time has nothing but negative comments about such a successful artist of "our time" lives in their own completely egotistical twisted sense of reality.
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Reply #16 posted 02/28/10 11:05am

erik319

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Bohemian67 said:

toejam said:

I'm right with you Skywalker. As you mentioned in another thread recently, there's plenty of examples of critics who totally slammed his so-called "classic" albums back in the day. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

As for the internet and forums and such, it's always more likely for someone to post if they feel they have something negative to say. It's only natural, I suppose - you somehow feel betrayed that the song doesn't live up to your expectations.

However if you generally like the song, you're less likely to post because you already feel satisfied. You don't need other people's verification that your opinion is valid.

Hence what you see on internet forums such as the org is a skewed reflection of negativity. I've been an org reader now for 8 years and nothing's changed. It always appears that there's more 'haters' than there probably really are.

But anyway, my recent pet hate is the standard "if only Prince would make good music again" post. I love the way people just assume that there's some great indisputable and incorruptable gulf between "good" and "bad" music. For me, all music is "good" music... only some music is more appealling to me than others.
[Edited 2/27/10 18:05pm]


Excellent post!
That the haters have multiple accounts I'm sure of.
Anyone who 99% of the time has nothing but negative comments about such a successful artist of "our time" lives in their own completely egotistical twisted sense of reality.



Why do you think anyone would bother having multiple accounts?? eek

if you truly believe that, back it up with some names and we'll see what happens.

I've always praised Prince when I like something, but been equally critical if he's released something sub-standard. Does that make me nagative or opinionated?

Sincerely,


Squirrelgrease.

Oops.er...Erik. Shit, think they're onto me. Lol
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Reply #17 posted 02/28/10 11:13am

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Ah, Jehovah bless the .org.

Yes, there is a nefarious underground cabal of anti-Prince operatives working day and night, using multiple accounts from servers spread across the globe all with the sole intent of using critical thought and applying it to the music of Prince. The gig is up, apparently, you've sussed it all out, but we've become too big and powerful to be stopped now. Mwaahahahaaaa
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Reply #18 posted 02/28/10 12:02pm

sweething

^^^^ last two posts: read: http://prince.org/blog/20...e-endings/

Some things tend to tread the line of what’s allowed and what’s not. In this case… Alternate Accounts. As stated by Ben, no person may have more than one account active at any one time on the Org. Some people feel the need to create two, three or even more Alternate Accounts than that. We know that most are harmless and most likely utilize this ability to do so to get around the posting limits. Some use them as different personalities. Occasionally we get someone who uses them to harass or post things that shouldn’t be posted. Some are used to troll or bait. Others create Alt Accts to get around being temp banned or permabanned. Some are used to create a “celebrity account” so that they can partake in discussions as that famous person. We know if (for example) Morris Day were going to create an account here, it most likely would not be created as “MorrisDay” with his picture used as an avatar.

Rest assured, we know this is happening and know who the Orgers are. So, why do we allow this to continue when it’s clearly against Ben’s wishes? Most “Alt Accts” are harmless. We take that into consideration and moderate them accordingly.

We, as Moderators, reserve the right to ban any Alt Acct at our discretion – simply for existing. Again, it is against Ben’s wishes.

Not too long ago we had a crop of politically minded Alt Accts pop up to make fun of, or bait/slam the candidates and/or the people who supported them. We discussed their existence amongst ourselves and came up with the decision to delete them all, as it wasn’t worth the effort to continually have to moderate them. We knew they were Alt Accts, and we knew they weren’t the primary accounts of the Orgers who used them. So we took them out of the equation.

So what does all this mean? Here’s a quick break down:

* Alt Accts are not allowed.
* We can/will delete them if/when we’re alerted to wrong-doings from an Alt Acct.
* We could let them continue until other more serious rules are broken under the guise of the Alt Acct.
* This includes Alt Accts in the ChatRoom as well.
* Alt Accts created to get around a temp ban or permaban will be deleted immediately.
* As always, Moderators have final say on any deletions of Alternative Accounts without expectation of an explanation.

Thank you,

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What did Prince say...

...i see a generation lay down before they get old
and getting endlessly sold...
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Reply #19 posted 02/28/10 12:06pm

sweething

erik319 said:

Bohemian67 said:



Excellent post!
That the haters have multiple accounts I'm sure of.
Anyone who 99% of the time has nothing but negative comments about such a successful artist of "our time" lives in their own completely egotistical twisted sense of reality.



Why do you think anyone would bother having multiple accounts?? eek

if you truly believe that, back it up with some names and we'll see what happens.

I've always praised Prince when I like something, but been equally critical if he's released something sub-standard. Does that make me nagative or opinionated?

Sincerely,


Squirrelgrease.

Oops.er...Erik. Shit, think they're onto me. Lol




Yes, there are those that have alternate accounts -- hard to believe, but true.
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Reply #20 posted 02/28/10 12:31pm

erik319

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sweething said:

erik319 said:




Why do you think anyone would bother having multiple accounts?? eek

if you truly believe that, back it up with some names and we'll see what happens.

I've always praised Prince when I like something, but been equally critical if he's released something sub-standard. Does that make me nagative or opinionated?

Sincerely,


Squirrelgrease.

Oops.er...Erik. Shit, think they're onto me. Lol




Yes, there are those that have alternate accounts -- hard to believe, but true.


ok. Name names please.

Erik
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Reply #21 posted 02/28/10 12:34pm

sweething

erik319 said:

sweething said:





Yes, there are those that have alternate accounts -- hard to believe, but true.


ok. Name names please.

Erik



Did you read the excerpt I posted from the moderator blog above? I don't need to provide names its a documented fact. Plus, I don't want to point out names, they know who they are, the important thing is that YOU and others realize this does happen, so as not to be fooled or naive.


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Reply #22 posted 02/28/10 12:39pm

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Give it up. There's been alt accounts on the .org since its inception. What percentage of them are born out of boredom? No idea but I'd wager a large many. What percentage are created with the explicit purpose of being mean to Dear Leader? I'd guess very few.

As Erik noted, give some names and then give them to a moderator. Otherwise, the conspiracy theory you're trying to work here sounds incredibly daft and paranoid. Then again, we are in the realm of chem trails, starros and CON-tracts.
No hard feelings.
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Reply #23 posted 02/28/10 12:48pm

NelsonR

prince has always intrigued people in different ways.
i think that part of being a prince fan has always
included b'ing more attached 2 certain of his songs
contrasted with others. i think every1 of the man's
releases has a WTF tune on it, and the crazy thing is
that he has done so much, that our tastes vary greatly;
some people can't stand 'jughead' while others like
'bob george'
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Reply #24 posted 02/28/10 12:48pm

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I think the 2 albums after PR would have generated a lot of negativity, SOTT would have been mixed, Lovesexy panned. Batman sndtk. would have been org overkill due to the hype surrounding the movie back then.
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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Reply #25 posted 02/28/10 1:36pm

erik319

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sweething said:

erik319 said:



ok. Name names please.

Erik



Did you read the excerpt I posted from the moderator blog above? I don't need to provide names its a documented fact. Plus, I don't want to point out names, they know who they are, the important thing is that YOU and others realize this does happen, so as not to be fooled or naive.


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if you're not willing to name names, don't spread gossip. Simple as. I'm sure the same could be said for fams using multiple accounts, but if I put that conspiracy theory forward, I'd back it up with names and let them defend themselves/admit it.

Name and shame or admit it's a conspiracy theory, don't go half arsed, its... Well just a bit lame.

Erik
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Reply #26 posted 02/28/10 1:47pm

cream72

i agree some of his albums in the 80's if there was a prince.org would have been slammed the albums most probably would be ATWIAD, lovesexy (cause of the religious tone of it) and most probably Batman plus maybe his early 90's work like Graffiti Bridge both album and movie lol

on the subject of multiple accounts it does happen for various reasons
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Reply #27 posted 02/28/10 8:05pm

sweething

erik319 said:

sweething said:




Did you read the excerpt I posted from the moderator blog above? I don't need to provide names its a documented fact. Plus, I don't want to point out names, they know who they are, the important thing is that YOU and others realize this does happen, so as not to be fooled or naive.


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if you're not willing to name names, don't spread gossip. Simple as. I'm sure the same could be said for fams using multiple accounts, but if I put that conspiracy theory forward, I'd back it up with names and let them defend themselves/admit it.

Name and shame or admit it's a conspiracy theory, don't go half arsed, its... Well just a bit lame.

Erik




The .Org moderators have already confirmed this -- again I ask if you read the excerpt I posted from the .Org moderator blog above?


:ha, ha, ha:
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Reply #28 posted 02/28/10 10:46pm

erik319

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sweething said:

erik319 said:



if you're not willing to name names, don't spread gossip. Simple as. I'm sure the same could be said for fams using multiple accounts, but if I put that conspiracy theory forward, I'd back it up with names and let them defend themselves/admit it.

Name and shame or admit it's a conspiracy theory, don't go half arsed, its... Well just a bit lame.

Erik




The .Org moderators have already confirmed this -- again I ask if you read the excerpt I posted from the .Org moderator blog above?


:ha, ha, ha:
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Yes, I read it the first time. It adds nothing to your case though. It doesn't say anywhere there that multiple accounts are used by soley negative posters. It could (and probaby does) mean the more obsessive fams.

So again, unless you're willing to name names, then it's just idle gossip and a bit pointless.

Anyway, as this wasn't even what the thread was about (did you read the original post?), I think we should move on.

Erik
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Reply #29 posted 02/28/10 11:51pm

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skywalker said:

The internet gave us all further reach for our opinions.

Pretend the internet/prince.org had been around since the beginning of Prince's career.

At what points from 1978 onwards would have been a lightening rod of disagreements and complaining from fans?


Off the top of my head, I am pretty sure Around the World in a Day would have drummed up all sorts of drama. Under the Cherry Moon (the movie) as well.

What do you think?

[Edited 2/27/10 10:23am]


This type of "why must you be critical, don't you get it, blah blah blah..." crap about Prince is such BS. Understandable because of the large number of HARD CORD fans he has, but still. confuse

I've been a fan since his 3rd album came out, and have spent a ton of money on everything he's put out PLUS a ton of unreleased stuff.

There was a time when I would count the days till the next release. Over time till now, years went by without me listening to much Prince. Why? Guess it's either cause I'm a hater and don't know it, or it could have something to do with a large amount of electro-funk forgettable music along with how he treats his fans. You can guess which I think...

But over the last month or so, I've been listening to a lot of Prince. WHY? Because I found some cool stuff on YouTube and it stoked the fire again. Even busted out Around the World in a Day for a listen. But Prince's crew got the vids removed, leaving me with the option of visiting his crappy site (I didn't get past the first page), or getting annoyed and forgetting about him again. Guess what's happening...

The man's a genius. One of my all time favs. But please drop the "hater" card and see that the man's career is where it is for no other reason than his actions and his music. He's too damn good for his own good imho, and it all comes too easy.

There was a day when I would have paid 5x the purchase amount for a small Prince show. Last year I sold my LA tickets. sigh Sad really, but the reviews from the show made me feel better.

IMHO anyway... nutty
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