sacrifice said:

It isn't often I have these sentiments, but poor Prince.

Well vainandy and NonveauDance if you really care.. You take the sacrifice.. Meaning you will go to the God Paradise where you will be near or at a rainbow of your choice... because in God house their are many mansion..Where
children play thats if you want your heaven to look like that...Where you will have everlasting life... So I really have to be truthful to everyone myself and Prince.. That if I care 4 one another..

...If you care you will not lie...

sacrifice said:

Out of all that gibberish...there was indeed...a grain of truth!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

You don't think people need Constructive criticism? The stuff that I said means a lot to me... The things you say means a lot to you.. Meaning I respect what you say in a Constructive way.. I believe in God I will not deny him. Meaning if you do or don't . But thats not going to make me not like you... I'm going to respect you... Because thats your opinion....

sacrifice said:

I saw the truth in your comment. Acknowledged and applauded it! What more do you want?

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I'm exhausted but I feel you sacrifice and Ernest. Woo those typos!
I agree with what many have posted here. I know I've been 1 to defend Prince. Especially when all the girls (and guys) start talking about his and in'. I admit I've taken comments way personal and defended this man I love. Sorry for all the times theWrong1 has logged on to become Prince's one and only "Ride or Die" chick. "That bitch out the window poppin' heat in yo ass" homegirl. Some have called theRight1 a "homophobe", "bitch" and compared me to Tame. Prince has been a rock star for a long time. He's in his own friggin Purple world and although I sometimes get turned off by too much of his cryptic and mysterious behavior, I support him. I've only spent about $800 on Prince since 1984 but I'd do it again because his music has brought me love, peace and joy. He has entertained me like no other. So all for the love of Prince Rogers Nelson aka (from what I've learned here on the org) "Cat Daddy" aka "Mr. Nice Nasty", I don't care what he does. He only has to answer to God. Not me. Not you. I only ask that he continues to make music. I pray God continues to give him clarity and wisdom as he evolves. Is Prince truly a nice person and worthy of being defended??? I choose to love him unconditionally and for the record I Thank him for all of the awesome music, performances, and love.

theRight1 said:

Feeling what!! I can't speak for Ernest but for me.. I love Prince too
and when you care someone being you friend or someone you know your going to tell them the right thing... Right1 put if you want to voice your opinion that yours..And I respect it. Thank You God Bless.. We are all Prince fans we just have different opinions..
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I wish I was a completest in my collecting activities, but I'm just not. I do have a lot of stuff though. We were all obsessed with Prince at some point, whether it was buying loads of memorabilia, or listening to SOTT 3 times a day.

Isn't it time to put the The $77 issue to rest.

The average CD costs $14-$20 ($14x2=$28)
T-shirt = $15
Private Concert = $31.21
Additional 3 songs
New and old videos (many of which I've never seen)

You do the math.....the website cost between $3 and $7 depending on adjustments for the T-shirt.

i think the same way there are people who blatantly attack prince for various reasons, there are individuals who defend and support him

NelsonR said:

I think Prince is a very smart man he has to be, because he is still in the entertainment biz. And by the way you have to be a firm sometimes, because people will run over you. You can't tell anybody what to do, Prince is his own person. This website that really care about their artist Prince some of them are being honest. Yeah you might have a few people on the site trying to get notice. Some of them are so truthful if a song they don't like hey they tell it. you can't find any fans like that. They will usually will say it good not be honest. In the entertaiment biz you can get
anything you want. People can lie and be your friend at the drop,not being honest.
I respond to your post, because i defend and I support. But if I see something wrong I speak up. Maybe you don't see anything thats cool. But to say someone is attacking some one because they have and opinion thats wrong. Because Prince is strong in my opinion and he speaks up for his rights. And the people that really care do to. Thats my opinion. Again Constructive criticism, or constructive analysis, is a compassionate attitude towards the person qualified for criticism. Having higher experience, gifts, respect, knowledge in specific field and being able to verbally convince at the same time, this person is intending to uplift the other person materially, morally, emotionally or spiritually. Thats all what I'm about. Love for Humanity.. Meaning everyone that comes in contact with me..
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But to say someone is attacking some one because they have and opinion thats wrong.

Mindflux said:

I wish I was a completest in my collecting activities, but I'm just not. I do have a lot of stuff though. We were all obsessed with Prince at some point, whether it was buying loads of memorabilia, or listening to SOTT 3 times a day.

I just want good music, and someone who doesn't take advantage of their fans. I think Prince does that. Prince and Metallica are kind of in the same category on a lot of fronts. Metallica lost a lot of fans, and Prince has lost a lot too. That does bother me. I wish Prince was bigger. I wish he was still as noteworthy as he once was in the public eye. But you have to look at the bigger picture sometimes. Do you ignore the way he's fucked over people by law suits and bullying, and just focus on the music? Or do you see it as something different? It's a personal decision.

I will always love Prince and I will always be a fan. I'm not a puppy though.

For all of us who have bought, at least, every album he's released - we (and you) ARE invested in his business. If I go to Red Lobster and order a lobster and I get a snow cone...someone's gonna know about it. Prince once said music should be free like air. Well, it's getting harder and harder to breathe. It's not about nit picking - it's just still trying to believe in an artist you have grown to love and respect on a music level. I don't want to see him fail, or put out shitty and vapid music, 2nd rate product, and lie to people about what to expect. I want Prince to just remember who Prince is/was and always should be.

I wish I was a completest in my collecting activities, but I'm just not. I do have a lot of stuff though. We were all obsessed with Prince at some point, whether it was buying loads of memorabilia, or listening to SOTT 3 times a day.

Metallica lost a lot of fans, and Prince has lost a lot too. That does bother me. I wish Prince was bigger. I wish he was still as noteworthy as he once was in the public eye.

But you have to look at the bigger picture sometimes. Do you ignore the way he's fucked over people by law suits and bullying, and just focus on the music? Or do you see it as something different? It's a personal decision.

I will always love Prince and I will always be a fan. I'm not a puppy though.

For all of us who have bought, at least, every album he's released - we (and you) ARE invested in his business. If I go to Red Lobster and order a lobster and I get a snow cone...someone's gonna know about it.

Prince once said music should be free like air. Well, it's getting harder and harder to breathe. It's not about nit picking - it's just still trying to believe in an artist you have grown to love and respect on a music level. I don't want to see him fail, or put out shitty and vapid music, 2nd rate product, and lie to people about what to expect. I want Prince to just remember who Prince is/was and always should be.

ernestsewell said:

The album was only $11.99 in stores, and is now $4.99, yet the website is still $77 promising the same thing, nothing more, than it did a year ago this time. If you're adjusting for the variable price of an item, then adjust the whole thing down by just over 50%.

Also, there are those who did not get their t-shirts, so adjust that down another $10 or $15 depending if you can find the same quality at Walmart or Macy's.

Private concert where? Was there a tour throughout the US that I missed? Were the a plethora of fans who paid for the site that got special seating in the ever coveted "purple circle"?

I didn't join the website because I refuse to pay a fee to get into a place to buy someone's product. If their product is worth a damn, they don't have to charge a fee for people get in to buy it because they will buy it anyway. Does the record store charge an admission to come inside to buy something? Hell no, that would be stupid and they no that nobody would be fool enough to pay the admission.

Yep, the album was available at Target. Who the hell would pay to join a website just to get an album that they can buy at their local Target?



And who the hell wanted a T Shirt anyway? I'm sure people joined hoping they would get unreleased music or videos that they don't already have.



That's exactly what I was thinking. Maybe it was in Minneapolis. Well, here's a newsflash, not everyone lives in Minneapolis so that does them no good unless they are fool enough to spend a ton of money to travel to Minneapolis from all corners of the globe just to see a concert. If he wanted to have a club that gave discounts on local concerts, he should have just had a fan club locally in Minneapolis and could have advertised it in the local newspaper.

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I didn't join the website because I refuse to pay a fee to get into a place to buy someone's product. If their product is worth a damn, they don't have to charge a fee for people get in to buy it because they will buy it anyway. Does the record store charge an admission to come inside to buy something? Hell no, that would be stupid and they know that nobody would be fool enough to pay the admission. They would end up losing sales instead of gaining sales. But of course, record stores don't have fams like Prince does though.

Also, I knew from all the way back to the 1-800-NEW-FUNK days when you could order things out of the catalogue, that it was simply albums that the stores have had for years and a bunch of gawdy ass T Shirts and merchandise that looks like shit.

But if I had been a fool enough to pay money, join a website, and didn't get nothing for my money, I'd never stop bitching. Hell, I'd be ready to kill because you don't fuck with my money.
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I think the question has to be asked does prince really know what his "people" are doing in terms of marketing his website ... he just gives the money they i guess make all the statements about what the site will be .... and in the end fail to deliver...

ernestsewell said:

Oh, I remember that NPG Music Club. I didn't join it either but right there towards the end, you could go to a certain section for free and purchase music (a download..big deal) if you wanted to. It had an equalizer that you could press and hear an unreleased track and all of them sounded sellout and shit hoppish, the kind I would never buy anyway. None of the good unreleased jams like "Extra Loveable" or "Turn It Up".

I remember seeing a thread here on the org during that time (this was during the "Musicology" tour) that some of the members had gotten good seats and bragged that they were given pizza before the show. Pizza? Oh, hell naw! What the hell is this shit "Sesame Street Live"? You don't give no damn grown folks something like pizza as a perk. Hell, there should have been unlimited booze given to the members. Shit, I want to get fucked up when I go to a concert and food ain't gonna do nothing but wear off the buzz. And knowing Prince, it was probably a damn cheese pizza so he could preach to people about the evils of eating meat. I'm telling ya, he's really out there these days giving grown folks shit that they would get at a Barney concert.

LondonStyle said:

He talked a lot, as did the webmasters, about the interactive relationship between them both while building and visualizing the Lotusflow3r website. Prince had some shindig at his house with fans showing up. The website was hyped greatly, and other stages of how it could/would grow were shown. Fans came out saying "OMG I was in Prince's house, and used his toilet", but they also said "the website is going to be awesome, just wait". Prince talked about the site itself a lot in interviews, talking about how it was going to grow and new things would be released systematically over time (implying new things every month or two).

So I don't think he was blind to anything going on with the website. He also lives under the excuse of "losing interest quickly" in a project, as some genius-justified way of thinking that fans are supposed to just accept in lieu of him being some 50 year old phenom with websites. The opposite is true. I don't think Prince ever had intentions of making the website more than it what it is right now. Sure there are some videos on there, but can you buy them? Or just stream them in the middle of a flash heavy (and just so because it's harder to grab flash content sometimes, than a streaming MP3 or MOV) page?

Remember, this is the same man who, in 1988 or so, said Cat's album was going to "be huge", and that people wouldn't be able to ignore it. His powers of prediction leave a lot to be desired.

I support and defend Prince's artistic and spiritual character.

I don't have a comment on Prince's personal business affairs.

Music has always been a luxury product.

sgmusic said: