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Printableernestsewell said: dance4me3121 said: I would like to know how many copies have sold
The album has sold 403,335 units at year's end according to Soundscan. I would think by now, it's at about 420,000 at most. Not Gold quite yet. but..because it's a triple cd package, isn't that 403,335 x 3 = 1.2 million? | |
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TrevorAyer said: isnt it 400000 x 3 because its a tripple scam like emancipation .. tha man is platinum right?
Although some people disagree with me.. I do believe that you have to charge a certain amount in order to get credit for each cd when sold in a set. Since he charged basically the same amount you would pay for ONE cd, its only counted as one sale. For example, if he charged 29.99, it probably would have been counted as 3 sales. | |
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ernestsewell said: Soulstar77A said: Yeah, but the word "PROMO" suggests some airplay, dont you think? Promo is just a word. There were videos. If no station picked them up, then that's the station's decisions, I suppose. I'm not sure a black station gives a shit about a cover of "Crimson and Clover", opposed to something like "U're Gonna C Me", which would have been a better single for urban or pop radio. Come on ...your posts don't give Prince any credit for doing this on his own, he's getting the music out on his terms ...limited promo ...yes ...but he's still getting it out and 400,000+ sales is good work in this current market!  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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BlackAdder7 said: ernestsewell said: The album has sold 403,335 units at year's end according to Soundscan. I would think by now, it's at about 420,000 at most. Not Gold quite yet. but..because it's a triple cd package, isn't that 403,335 x 3 = 1.2 million? That's been a huge bone of discussion on here. If he was platinum, and the 3x thing was true, it would have reflected that in the first week's number s(which were over 370,000 if you remember). So that first week alone, he either sold 100,000+ albums (per disk), OR he sold 370,000 packages. If he sold 370,000x3, then we would have heard it going platinum. Either Soundscan has since reevaluated how it counts disks, OR perhaps Lotus isn't scanned the same way because of the way it was distributed. Who knows. Personally I think the counting-per-disk is a joke, because you can't buy just one or two disks, so why count it as separate disks? It's a package, and people pay $11.99 for the whole set, so the whole set should count as 1 unit. | |
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how about a new CD ??? aint it about thAT TIME? | |
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luvsexy4all said: how about a new CD ??? aint it about thAT TIME?
The year expiration of the Lotus site is not up yet  will ALWAYS think of  like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. |
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ernestsewell said: BlackAdder7 said: but..because it's a triple cd package, isn't that 403,335 x 3 = 1.2 million? That's been a huge bone of discussion on here. If he was platinum, and the 3x thing was true, it would have reflected that in the first week's number s(which were over 370,000 if you remember). So that first week alone, he either sold 100,000+ albums (per disk), OR he sold 370,000 packages. If he sold 370,000x3, then we would have heard it going platinum. Either Soundscan has since reevaluated how it counts disks, OR perhaps Lotus isn't scanned the same way because of the way it was distributed. Who knows. Personally I think the counting-per-disk is a joke, because you can't buy just one or two disks, so why count it as separate disks? It's a package, and people pay $11.99 for the whole set, so the whole set should count as 1 unit. perhaps the scale has been changed then. I remember back in the day, "Frampton Live" was a double album and I believe each album was counted, so if he sold 1 million units, it counted as 2 million records. Maybe I'm getting too old to remember correctly. Same with any multiple record. With the advent of Soundscan, sales were supposed to be more accurate, I just don't recall how multiple units were judged | |
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BlackAdder7 said: ernestsewell said: That's been a huge bone of discussion on here. If he was platinum, and the 3x thing was true, it would have reflected that in the first week's number s(which were over 370,000 if you remember). So that first week alone, he either sold 100,000+ albums (per disk), OR he sold 370,000 packages. If he sold 370,000x3, then we would have heard it going platinum. Either Soundscan has since reevaluated how it counts disks, OR perhaps Lotus isn't scanned the same way because of the way it was distributed. Who knows. Personally I think the counting-per-disk is a joke, because you can't buy just one or two disks, so why count it as separate disks? It's a package, and people pay $11.99 for the whole set, so the whole set should count as 1 unit. I just stated this a few posts back. This was also a topic from a while back. It HAS been re-evaluated and there is a minimum charge you must meet in order to get credit for each disc. perhaps the scale has been changed then. I remember back in the day, "Frampton Live" was a double album and I believe each album was counted, so if he sold 1 million units, it counted as 2 million records. Maybe I'm getting too old to remember correctly. Same with any multiple record. With the advent of Soundscan, sales were supposed to be more accurate, I just don't recall how multiple units were judged | |
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BlackAdder7 said: perhaps the scale has been changed then. I remember back in the day, "Frampton Live" was a double album and I believe each album was counted, so if he sold 1 million units, it counted as 2 million records. Maybe I'm getting too old to remember correctly. Same with any multiple record. With the advent of Soundscan, sales were supposed to be more accurate, I just don't recall how multiple units were judged
Remember the lying about Emancipation being platinum, until it was revealed that he shipped just over 300,000 sets, which brought the total "disks" to over a million, and he had sudden bragging rights about having a platinum record, once he was "free". Yet oddly, he was a slave to the same system of numbers. | |
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ernestsewell said: BlackAdder7 said: perhaps the scale has been changed then. I remember back in the day, "Frampton Live" was a double album and I believe each album was counted, so if he sold 1 million units, it counted as 2 million records. Maybe I'm getting too old to remember correctly. Same with any multiple record. With the advent of Soundscan, sales were supposed to be more accurate, I just don't recall how multiple units were judged
Remember the lying about Emancipation being platinum, until it was revealed that he shipped just over 300,000 sets, which brought the total "disks" to over a million, and he had sudden bragging rights about having a platinum record, once he was "free". Yet oddly, he was a slave to the same system of numbers. It was closer to 700,000 actually!! Come on do your homework. |
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SPOOKYGAS said: ernestsewell said: Remember the lying about Emancipation being platinum, until it was revealed that he shipped just over 300,000 sets, which brought the total "disks" to over a million, and he had sudden bragging rights about having a platinum record, once he was "free". Yet oddly, he was a slave to the same system of numbers. It was closer to 700,000 actually!! Come on do your homework. It initially SHIPPED just over 300,000. | |
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ernestsewell said: SPOOKYGAS said: It was closer to 700,000 actually!! Come on do your homework. It initially SHIPPED just over 300,000. At some point it initially shipped 100,000...200,000 etc etc, the fact remains it shipped over 700,000, U are changing the goalposts to suit your agenda. |
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Fury said: KCOOLMUZIQ said: That is amazing for being released at only one store chain. Just amazing...That is a hit album with no radio play...... well you know in these parts if you don't sell a million you're a flop.  Maybe not a flop but after almost a whole year, most certainly not a resounding success, no matter how hard some folks in these parts try to spin it! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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SPOOKYGAS said: ernestsewell said: It initially SHIPPED just over 300,000. At some point it initially shipped 100,000...200,000 etc etc, the fact remains it shipped over 700,000, U are changing the goalposts to suit your agenda. I see that perhaps you can't read. Let me help you: Remember the lying about Emancipation being platinum, until it was revealed that he shipped just over 300,000 sets
THAT is what I said. I don't have to alter anything I said, because I'm well aware of what I typed. | |
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ernestsewell said:[quote] SPOOKYGAS said: I see that perhaps you can't read. Let me help you: Remember the lying about Emancipation being platinum, until it was revealed that he shipped just over 300,000 sets
THAT is what I said. I don't have to alter anything I said, because I'm well aware of what I typed. For a man that 'thinks' he knows all there is to know, actual album sales are a stranger to your knowledge, as you have proved on another recent thread. |
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SPOOKYGAS said: ernestsewell said: THAT is what I said. I don't have to alter anything I said, because I'm well aware of what I typed. For a man that 'thinks' he knows all there is to know, actual album sales are a stranger to your knowledge, as you have proved on another recent thread.  You're boring. | |
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ernestsewell said: SPOOKYGAS said: For a man that 'thinks' he knows all there is to know, actual album sales are a stranger to your knowledge, as you have proved on another recent thread. You're boring.That may or may not be the case...however my previous posts still stand. |
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But wasnt Emancipation originally priced around $30 or more when it first hit the shelves?
If so, then each "cd" would be counted as a sell. | |
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ronnwinter said: But wasnt Emancipation originally priced around $30 or more when it first hit the shelves?
If so, then each "cd" would be counted as a sell. The price doesn't effect how it's counted. I bought mine for $24 new when it came out. Prince kept the price lower, according to his own words. It's how many disks are in a set. So if he sold 333,334 copies of the ALBUM, but the album has 3 disks in it, that's 333,334 x 3 = 1,000,000+ "units" sold. Ergo "platinum" bragging rights. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: Maybe not a flop but after almost a whole year, most certainly not a resounding success, no matter how hard some folks in these parts try to spin it! I'd say a #2 peak on the album charts, near gold status and a Grammy nomination is fairly successful, especially for an artist that gets no support at all on pop radio, and hasn't had a Top 40 hit on the pop charts since the mid 90's. His last 4 albums peak positions: #3, #1, #3, #2 I'd say that's success, no need for "spin." If that's near-flop status, there are tons of artists who would love to have that kinda flop. * * *
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ernestsewell said: ronnwinter said: But wasnt Emancipation originally priced around $30 or more when it first hit the shelves?
If so, then each "cd" would be counted as a sell. The price doesn't effect how it's counted. I bought mine for $24 new when it came out. Prince kept the price lower, according to his own words. It's how many disks are in a set. So if he sold 333,334 copies of the ALBUM, but the album has 3 disks in it, that's 333,334 x 3 = 1,000,000+ "units" sold. Ergo "platinum" bragging rights. I know I heard about the price issue somewhere..Thats gonna drive me nuts! | |
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ronnwinter said: ernestsewell said: The price doesn't effect how it's counted. I bought mine for $24 new when it came out. Prince kept the price lower, according to his own words. It's how many disks are in a set. So if he sold 333,334 copies of the ALBUM, but the album has 3 disks in it, that's 333,334 x 3 = 1,000,000+ "units" sold. Ergo "platinum" bragging rights. I know I heard about the price issue somewhere..Thats gonna drive me nuts! I don't think price is a relative factor in counting records sold, other than the record has to be a new copy, opposed to one resold in a used shop. I would think even something in a cut-out bin that's new still gets counted somewhere, although the profits might never see the artist by that point. Whether a CD is out the first week for $9.99, or at regular price for $12.99, or on a weekend special for $8.99, it's still new and still gets counted. | |
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NoVideo said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: Maybe not a flop but after almost a whole year, most certainly not a resounding success, no matter how hard some folks in these parts try to spin it! I'd say a #2 peak on the album charts, near gold status and a Grammy nomination is fairly successful, especially for an artist that gets no support at all on pop radio, and hasn't had a Top 40 hit on the pop charts since the mid 90's. His last 4 albums peak positions: #3, #1, #3, #2 I'd say that's success, no need for "spin." If that's near-flop status, there are tons of artists who would love to have that kinda flop. Exactly! will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. |
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Ok...maybe this is what I was thinking of...
[edit] Records Currently, the RIAA certification criteria for albums are: 500,000 units: Gold album. 1,000,000 units: Platinum album 2,000,000 or more units: Multi-Platinum album 10,000,000 units: Diamond album [edit] Multi-disc Multi-disc albums are counted once for each disc within the album if it is over 100 minutes in length or is from the vinyl era. For example, each copy of OutKast's Speakerboxxx/The Love Below (running time of 134:56), and Shania Twain's Up! (145:44), both double albums, were counted twice, meaning each album was certified diamond after 5 million copies were shipped. Pink Floyd's The Wall and The Beatles' White Album, both vinyl-era, are counted double even though their running times are under the minimum. | |
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KCOOLMUZIQ said: NoVideo said: I'd say a #2 peak on the album charts, near gold status and a Grammy nomination is fairly successful, especially for an artist that gets no support at all on pop radio, and hasn't had a Top 40 hit on the pop charts since the mid 90's. His last 4 albums peak positions: #3, #1, #3, #2 I'd say that's success, no need for "spin." If that's near-flop status, there are tons of artists who would love to have that kinda flop. Exactly! #2 Peak...in it's first week...not hard to do for Prince because of his base...that would be US...as history shows! Near gold status...after a whole year...damn near? With his legion of Fams? That would be y'all! 
You really want to count a Grammy nomination and LOSS as some validity on the successful merit of a Prince album? 
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: #2 Peak...in it's first week...not hard to do for Prince because of his base...that would be US...as history shows! Near gold status...after a whole year...damn near? With his legion of Fams? That would be y'all!
You really want to count a Grammy nomination and LOSS as some validity on the successful merit of a Prince album?
As we all know, record sales are not what they once were. Those numbers are not horrible at all. Nobody is saying it was on par with Susan Boyle or Taylor Swift. And the fact is, many of Prince's albums didn't come close to debuting at #2. The notion of an album hitting #2 on the Billboard Album Charts as not being successful is just absurd, IMHO. It ain't Purple Rain, but its a far cry from The Rainbow Children. * * *
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NoVideo said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: #2 Peak...in it's first week...not hard to do for Prince because of his base...that would be US...as history shows! Near gold status...after a whole year...damn near? With his legion of Fams? That would be y'all!
You really want to count a Grammy nomination and LOSS as some validity on the successful merit of a Prince album?
As we all know, record sales are not what they once were. Those numbers are not horrible at all. Nobody is saying it was on par with Susan Boyle or Taylor Swift. And the fact is, many of Prince's albums didn't come close to debuting at #2. The notion of an album hitting #2 on the Billboard Album Charts as not being successful is just absurd, IMHO. It ain't Purple Rain, but its a far cry from The Rainbow Children. The Rainbow Children is far superior than Purple Rain. |
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SPOOKYGAS said: NoVideo said: As we all know, record sales are not what they once were. Those numbers are not horrible at all. Nobody is saying it was on par with Susan Boyle or Taylor Swift. And the fact is, many of Prince's albums didn't come close to debuting at #2. The notion of an album hitting #2 on the Billboard Album Charts as not being successful is just absurd, IMHO. It ain't Purple Rain, but its a far cry from The Rainbow Children. The Rainbow Children is far superior than Purple Rain. I'm referring to commercial success. And as for the other - - i'd disagree in the strongest possible terms. * * *
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SPOOKYGAS said: NoVideo said: As we all know, record sales are not what they once were. Those numbers are not horrible at all. Nobody is saying it was on par with Susan Boyle or Taylor Swift. And the fact is, many of Prince's albums didn't come close to debuting at #2. The notion of an album hitting #2 on the Billboard Album Charts as not being successful is just absurd, IMHO. It ain't Purple Rain, but its a far cry from The Rainbow Children. The Rainbow Children is far superior than Purple Rain. 
That's it! I'm going to bed! 
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: SPOOKYGAS said: The Rainbow Children is far superior than Purple Rain.
That's it! I'm going to bed!
I have way too much love for the Org to type another word in response to this! 90's Prince is better than 80's Prince but not as good as 2000+ Prince. Larry Graham is the best thing that ever happened to Prince apart from Mayte sitting on his face. (Prince's not Larry's, although who knows) |
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