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Reply #30 posted 02/19/10 3:59am

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vivid said:

thedance said:

From best to worst:

01. Purple Rain (10)
02. Sign "☮" The Times (10)
03. 1999 (10)
04. Lovesexy (10)
05. Parade (10)
06. Around The World In A Day (10)
07. The Gold Experience (10)
08. Dirty Mind (10)
09. Controversy (9)
10. Diamonds & Pearls (9)
11. Love Symbol Album (9)
12. Come (9)
13. Black Album (9)
14. The Rainbow Children (9)
15. Graffiti Bridge (8)
16. Prince (8)
17. Crystal Ball (8)
18. Emancipation (8)
19. For You (8)
20. Batman (8)
21. LotusFlower / MPLSound (8)
22. Musicology (7)
23. Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic (7)
24. Chaos & Disorder (6)
25. The Truth (6)
26. Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (6)
27. The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale (6)
28. The Chocolate Invasion (6)
29. Slaughterhouse (6)
30. 3121 (5)
31. Planet Earth (5)
32. Newpower Soul (4)
33. ONA Piano (3)
34. N.E.W.S. (2)
35. ONA... Live (2)
36. Indigo Nights (2)
37. Kamasutra (0)
[Edited 2/19/10 3:08am]



There's all sorts of things wrong with that list for it to be a categorical answer to the OP

Vivid, does it mean NPS is actually in your Prince album- top 20? wink

imo. NPS is not in top 30, it's one of the worst Prince albums ever.
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Reply #31 posted 02/19/10 6:02am

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Newpower Soul is one of his weakest albums, for sure - perhaps his weakest. A shame, because "The One" is absolutely stellar. Lots of throwaway material on this album. I like "Come On" and "Wasted Kisses" and can tolerate "Mad Sex" - in the horny morning? really?? - but the rest is mostly unlistenable.
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Reply #32 posted 02/19/10 6:18am

vivid

thedance said:

vivid said:




There's all sorts of things wrong with that list for it to be a categorical answer to the OP

Vivid, does it mean NPS is actually in your Prince album- top 20? wink

imo. NPS is not in top 30, it's one of the worst Prince albums ever.
[Edited 2/19/10 4:00am]


No, It's not. I don't have a list, to be honest. However, putting Rave... above ONA (piano) is just Koo Koo
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Reply #33 posted 02/19/10 6:30am

TrevorAyer

come on and the one top anything on rainbow thru lotus so wtf yall are nuts with yer lists and the rest of the record grows on you where as rainbow thru lotus gets worse with each listen ...
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Reply #34 posted 02/19/10 8:45am

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I love this album and I love his layering cool
"You can be the President, I'd rather be the Pope"
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Reply #35 posted 02/19/10 9:36am

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On the org some people seem to think that this is a great, funky album and even include it in their top 5, but most seem to say that this was his first step down in the direction of the "even worse" Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic.

I always said I liked it, simply because I fell in love with The One, Come On and Wasted Kisses right from the start and I felt those songs were so great they would make up for anything on any album. The rest was never bad to me, but I had to be in the right mood to enjoy the plastic, crazy arrangements of some songs and the overall weird production.

Today, when I was cleaning my room, I decided to blast the record through my speakers and I was very impressed by what I heard. You see, I'm the kind that can also enjoy what many people on here call "over-produced" records, with hundred little sounds, layers and melodies buried perfectly into the mix, so that you could here something new every time you listen to a song. I love that, as long as it doesn't distract from the idea and force of a song, but add to it. And that is something Prince has always been great at, in my opinion; especially on The Gold Experience, for example.

As I listened to Newpower Soul I actually realised to fucking freaky this record is. It has a really cocky and flashy "fuck-you!" attitude all over it, but this "fuck-you" is different from the ones on TGE and Chaos. On here it is simply mad and fooling around. Take the title song for example and listen to all the little melodies buried in there. It is amazing how he layered so many different melodies into one chord progression and made it sound all so tight, somehow.
The madness continues with Mad Sex. Good lawd. The way it starts already with that trashy drum programming; - this track is so in yo face!. What struck me most about all of the rather up-tempo tracks on this album is that they intentionally lack the overt production energy of tracks like Now, for instancee. They are stone-cold and very compressed (especially tracks like Mad Sex, Push It Up and Fraks On This Side), which makes it very difficult to understand the track itself, but easier to move away from looking for stereotypes in the music.

"Anti stereotype" seems to be the keyphrase for this record. Nothing is "normal" or "usual" on Newpower Soul; not even for Prince's standards.
A good example would be the three rather "heart-felt" songs on there (Until U're In My Arms Again, The One, Wasted Kisses). Yes, he does use the "ballad reverb" on Until U're In My Arms again and the strings are so beautifully arranged (especially in the 9th to 12th bars, when the motive repeats) that one would be tempted to call it a "classic" Prince ballad. Well, in my opinion, it is, but it has nothing to do with classical Prince music and that is what makes it so special. That synth bass line, walking up, creating new chords with its own melody. The backing vocals (all over the record) producing new chord progressions. Apart from that, the bridge on Until.. is simply amazingly creative.

The production on When U Love Somebody is also very good in my opinion. And Shoo-Bed-Ooh is one of the songs that screams "feeling" for me. It captures something, I'm sure many people feel it too, but we don't know how to describe it. Brilliant chord progression again (especially the bass during the chorus; deep in the mix, underlining the whole song, but still somehow unexpected)!

Push It Up and Freaks On This Side are just fucking sick tracks. I'd even go as far as calling this one of Prince's most experimental pieces of work (the whole album actually). You see, there's a difference between making something sound experimental (jamming around and knowing what sounds weird to the average listener, even if it's just a special minor chord at the right time) or making something sound rather conventional on the one hand, but being completely sick and border-crossing on the other, when you look at the bigger picture and "get wild, get freaky...".

Come On has, again, fantastically experimental and weird chord progressions (that chorus with those vocals and the bass is working so well, I mean eek) and that track was a single, y'all! Plus, I find the lyrics on this track really good and clever.

The One is pure magic. The ones who think so too know why, the others have some serious close listening to do. Clearly one of his 10 best tracks of all time, in my opinion.

I Like Funky Music is probably the sickest track when it comes to arrangement. The horns, those keyboards going down half notes during the chorus, the trashy drum-programming and those backing-vocal-chants (found on other songs too, and as far as I know, only on Newpower Soul album-wise!) - so cunningly weird.

Wasted Kisses is also pure magic and very well produced.



Overall, I'd say this is one of his most interesting records. Not as touching and classy as Purple Rain, 1999 and SOTT, but it has its own charm and therefore is worth being listened to more closely! Also, because it definitely is more daring than most of his other albums, even if one wouldn't notice (or want to notice) at first listen.







P.S. This is a Prince record - we all know that. That is why it belongs here and not to another forum.






I agree with you 100% -- I love "over produced" tracks for the exact reasons you mentioned. I also think this is a solid album even though I find some of the songs unlistenable.
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Reply #36 posted 02/19/10 10:53am

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It's better than the rest of his 1990s output.

The last real Prince album before religious preaching replaced heartfelt spirituality.
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Reply #37 posted 02/19/10 10:58am

Thibaut

I can see why most people dislike it but still I kinda like it, it has a real P-Funk / Live kinda vibe and the horn arrangements on some tracks are just killer, Freaks On This Side for example. The only track I really don't like is Mad Sex. The other tracks are cool 2 me. far from his best but still very enjoyable. I especially like the title track, and i can't really explain why.
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Reply #38 posted 02/19/10 11:24am

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I liked this album for the most part.

When U Love Somebody
Shoo-Bed-Ooh
Mad Sex
Come On
The One
Wasted Kisses

are all excellent tracks, in my opinion.

Push It Up was alright. I gained more of a liking for it after seeing prince & Doug E. Fresh perform it live at MSG.
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Reply #39 posted 02/19/10 12:09pm

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I'm so w/ you about Come On, The One, and Wasted Kisses. Those are some of his best 90s songs. There are a few more tracks that are really good too. Some people hate Freaks on This Side but I don't know why; it has such a great vibe!

Newpower Soul is fun album but has some darker elements that make it interesting. I like it.
How can I stand 2 stay where I am? / Poor butterfly who don't understand.
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Reply #40 posted 02/19/10 12:49pm

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I always enjoyed this album from day one without any apology. Good to see a few others coming out of the closet as its horrible reputation needs revising.
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Reply #41 posted 02/19/10 6:41pm

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Bree8016 said:[quote]I'm so w/ you about Come On, The One, and Wasted Kisses. Those are some of his best 90s songs. There are a few more tracks that are really good too. Some people hate Freaks on This Side but I don't know why; it has such a great vibe!



I think its because a lot of people want more than just vibe from Prince, and really this album was a fuck you to his fans, in regards to the melodies, lyrics, songwriting and musical chops.
So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time
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Reply #42 posted 02/19/10 7:15pm

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Huggiebear said:[quote]

Bree8016 said:

I'm so w/ you about Come On, The One, and Wasted Kisses. Those are some of his best 90s songs. There are a few more tracks that are really good too. Some people hate Freaks on This Side but I don't know why; it has such a great vibe!



I think its because a lot of people want more than just vibe from Prince, and really this album was a fuck you to his fans, in regards to the melodies, lyrics, songwriting and musical chops.


It always puzzles me that some orgers think Prince goes into the studio with the intent of making subpar music and specifically releasing to alienate his fanbase. After reading the liner notes on The Hits/The B-Sides about how some songs came about I can't fathom Prince doing that. Even his so called fan diss tracks (F.U.N.K. & No More Candy 4 U) are playful and not lyrically malicious.
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Reply #43 posted 02/19/10 7:22pm

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Its a great underground deep funk album - which means most of the mainstream pop (a good part of which is european) will simply not get it. Still don't. I thinkit wa a great period with Chaka Khan's Come 2 My House (a hidden gem) and GCS2000 in the box set.
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Reply #44 posted 02/19/10 7:24pm

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Brofie said:

Its a great underground deep funk album - which means most of the mainstream pop (a good part of which is european) will simply not get it. Still don't. I thinkit wa a great period with Chaka Khan's Come 2 My House (a hidden gem) and GCS2000 in the box set.


Those 3 albums worked perfectly together.
Especially Come 2 My House!!!
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Reply #45 posted 02/19/10 7:42pm

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Brofie said:

Its a great underground deep funk album - which means most of the mainstream pop (a good part of which is european) will simply not get it. Still don't. I thinkit wa a great period with Chaka Khan's Come 2 My House (a hidden gem) and GCS2000 in the box set.


wow are you joking, or else we seriously disagree, eek

the New Power Pak.... NPS/ Come 2 My House/ GCS2000 >>> pseudo funk pop, I absolutely detest this set. I haven't listened in 10 years or so, and I don't intend to do so:

Prince (3 good songs) 4/10,

Chaka & Graham both 0/0..... barf
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Reply #46 posted 02/20/10 4:54am

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Come 2 My House is a great little album. Chaka's delivery on I'll Never B Another Fool gives me goosebumps everytime I hear it.
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Reply #47 posted 02/20/10 7:32am

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Hated New Power Soul when it came out. But this album has def grown on me over the years. I LOVE the title track, Shoo-Bed-oo, Come On, The One, & Wasted Kisses. The rest ain't near as bad as people say on here. The album from this area I hate is Rave...save a few tracks is almost unlistenable imo.
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Reply #48 posted 02/20/10 8:39am

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Am I the only person who has mad love for Mad Sex?
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Reply #49 posted 02/20/10 9:13am

jdcxc

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Am I the only person who has mad love for Mad Sex?


Did you read my earlier post? Truly underrated jam. The funky arrangement, quirky instrumentation, brilliant horn chart, push-pull rhythmn, depraved perverse sense of humor- all make this a classic. I love it when P is sexual, hedonistic and clever (i.e. Wall of Berlin).

To me, NPS hits a lot of those same highs with a few throwaways mixed in.
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Reply #50 posted 02/20/10 10:10am

Dave1992

MattyJam said:

Am I the only person who has mad love for Mad Sex?


Nope. I love it. And the remix!



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Reply #51 posted 02/20/10 11:06am

jdcxc

Dave1992 said:

MattyJam said:

Am I the only person who has mad love for Mad Sex?


Nope. I love it. And the remix!



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There's a remix for Mad Sex? Where can I find it?
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Reply #52 posted 02/20/10 11:50am

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Even if all the other songs were any good (and most of them really aren't), Doug E. Fresh's rap on "I Like Funky Music" is abominable enough to destroy the entire album.

"Yo, the time has come once again 2 send
A dance groove that won't end
Don't pretend that your feet is tired
And grab my hand girlfriend
And move it, baby, move it
I know U can do it
Move it, baby, move it
I know U can do it, come on"
[Edited 2/20/10 11:51am]
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Reply #53 posted 02/20/10 12:02pm

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jdcxc said:

There's a remix for Mad Sex? Where can I find it?


No I have never heard of an official remix to "Mad Sex", maybe he meant the remix to "Come On"??

this was released on cd single...
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Reply #54 posted 02/20/10 1:39pm

Handcuffs

Fantastic Album - A breath of fresh air, it's an uplifting album,
some of u out there need 2 get a life and stop being too critical about this album.
the arrangements are slammin and the production although i would love to hear
a different sounding drums. i love the bass and synths on this album.

open your mind clean out the ear wax.
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Reply #55 posted 02/20/10 2:25pm

Handcuffs

Dave1992 said:

On the org some people seem to think that this is a great, funky album and even include it in their top 5, but most seem to say that this was his first step down in the direction of the "even worse" Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic.

I always said I liked it, simply because I fell in love with The One, Come On and Wasted Kisses right from the start and I felt those songs were so great they would make up for anything on any album. The rest was never bad to me, but I had to be in the right mood to enjoy the plastic, crazy arrangements of some songs and the overall weird production.

Today, when I was cleaning my room, I decided to blast the record through my speakers and I was very impressed by what I heard. You see, I'm the kind that can also enjoy what many people on here call "over-produced" records, with hundred little sounds, layers and melodies buried perfectly into the mix, so that you could here something new every time you listen to a song. I love that, as long as it doesn't distract from the idea and force of a song, but add to it. And that is something Prince has always been great at, in my opinion; especially on The Gold Experience, for example.

As I listened to Newpower Soul I actually realised to fucking freaky this record is. It has a really cocky and flashy "fuck-you!" attitude all over it, but this "fuck-you" is different from the ones on TGE and Chaos. On here it is simply mad and fooling around. Take the title song for example and listen to all the little melodies buried in there. It is amazing how he layered so many different melodies into one chord progression and made it sound all so tight, somehow.
The madness continues with Mad Sex. Good lawd. The way it starts already with that trashy drum programming; - this track is so in yo face!. What struck me most about all of the rather up-tempo tracks on this album is that they intentionally lack the overt production energy of tracks like Now, for instancee. They are stone-cold and very compressed (especially tracks like Mad Sex, Push It Up and Fraks On This Side), which makes it very difficult to understand the track itself, but easier to move away from looking for stereotypes in the music.

"Anti stereotype" seems to be the keyphrase for this record. Nothing is "normal" or "usual" on Newpower Soul; not even for Prince's standards.
A good example would be the three rather "heart-felt" songs on there (Until U're In My Arms Again, The One, Wasted Kisses). Yes, he does use the "ballad reverb" on Until U're In My Arms again and the strings are so beautifully arranged (especially in the 9th to 12th bars, when the motive repeats) that one would be tempted to call it a "classic" Prince ballad. Well, in my opinion, it is, but it has nothing to do with classical Prince music and that is what makes it so special. That synth bass line, walking up, creating new chords with its own melody. The backing vocals (all over the record) producing new chord progressions. Apart from that, the bridge on Until.. is simply amazingly creative.

The production on When U Love Somebody is also very good in my opinion. And Shoo-Bed-Ooh is one of the songs that screams "feeling" for me. It captures something, I'm sure many people feel it too, but we don't know how to describe it. Brilliant chord progression again (especially the bass during the chorus; deep in the mix, underlining the whole song, but still somehow unexpected)!

Push It Up and Freaks On This Side are just fucking sick tracks. I'd even go as far as calling this one of Prince's most experimental pieces of work (the whole album actually). You see, there's a difference between making something sound experimental (jamming around and knowing what sounds weird to the average listener, even if it's just a special minor chord at the right time) or making something sound rather conventional on the one hand, but being completely sick and border-crossing on the other, when you look at the bigger picture and "get wild, get freaky...".

Come On has, again, fantastically experimental and weird chord progressions (that chorus with those vocals and the bass is working so well, I mean eek) and that track was a single, y'all! Plus, I find the lyrics on this track really good and clever.

The One is pure magic. The ones who think so too know why, the others have some serious close listening to do. Clearly one of his 10 best tracks of all time, in my opinion.

I Like Funky Music is probably the sickest track when it comes to arrangement. The horns, those keyboards going down half notes during the chorus, the trashy drum-programming and those backing-vocal-chants (found on other songs too, and as far as I know, only on Newpower Soul album-wise!) - so cunningly weird.

Wasted Kisses is also pure magic and very well produced.



Overall, I'd say this is one of his most interesting records. Not as touching and classy as Purple Rain, 1999 and SOTT, but it has its own charm and therefore is worth being listened to more closely! Also, because it definitely is more daring than most of his other albums, even if one wouldn't notice (or want to notice) at first listen.







P.S. This is a Prince record - we all know that. That is why it belongs here and not to another forum.



U R A GENIUS! I am happy that u appreciate this album
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Reply #56 posted 02/21/10 8:01am

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thedance said:

jdcxc said:

There's a remix for Mad Sex? Where can I find it?


No I have never heard of an official remix to "Mad Sex", maybe he meant the remix to "Come On"??

this was released on cd single...


There's the Mad Sex 69 remix which I'm pretty sure is official.
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Reply #57 posted 02/21/10 9:37am

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databank said:

I had these friends 10 years ago who were a lot in2 James Brown, Herbie Hancock, Sly Stone, etc. and they didn't like Prince that much... he was too "pop" or too "rock" for them...

& i remember that one party when i had them listening 2 "NPS"... from that day on, they realized that Prince was "black", too...

Thing is that "NPS" is probably Prince's funkiest, blackest album ever...

& that's why most Prince fans hated it...

& that's why most Prince fans should go back listening 2 their U2 & Radiohead albums, because that's what they love & Prince doesn't have much 2 do with that...

In the meantime, we funky people r gonna keep groovin' ^^

all of the NPG album are funk projects. NPS is just another extenaion of the brand. People refer 2 this as a Prince album, but it is 2 funky 2 b a P album.
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Reply #58 posted 02/21/10 9:44am

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HonestMan13 said:

Brofie said:

Its a great underground deep funk album - which means most of the mainstream pop (a good part of which is european) will simply not get it. Still don't. I thinkit wa a great period with Chaka Khan's Come 2 My House (a hidden gem) and GCS2000 in the box set.


Those 3 albums worked perfectly together.
Especially Come 2 My House!!!
cloud9

i love come 2 my house. not crszy about gcs though.
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Reply #59 posted 02/22/10 12:48am

vivid

OK, so I gave it a listen over the weekend, and I like it more than I did. The afore-metnioned three songs are still excellent. I also enjoyed Freaks... and Mad Sex. Funky Music reminded me a little of 1+1+1 = 3, which I like,and Until U're... is lovely, but that production is too sacharine.

It's certainly not his worst - a fun party album.
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