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PrintableCravens said: A new revolution?
No thank you. Both Prince and the band members are past their prime now, and have been for some time, as it happens to every artist in all recorded history of mankind, or if one prefer this one: What a narrow-minded way to look at life. Thy were just getting to their prime as a band. The few Hit N Run shows that there were blew anything from the PR tour out of the water. They had another 3 years in them, and brilliance awaited, yet Prince stunted its growth. Prince hasn't had the kind of grit in his band to give him a good muse or inspiration that he did back then, or even what he did with the Lovesexy band. The only other band that came close to pushing Prince in a new direction and a better direction musically was the smaller version of NPG (Sonny, Michael, Tommy, Morris). Prince is tipping through the tulips now, and it's boring as all fuck. But to say W&L or Prince is past being a prime musician is insane. If Prince had let his ego down in 1999 and worked with W&L like he wanted, and they were willing to do, we'd have another Revolution album, and perhaps threads like this wouldn't exist at all. | |
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ernestsewell said: Prince is tipping through the tulips now, and it's boring as all fuck. But to say W&L or Prince is past being a prime musician is insane. If Prince had let his ego down in 1999 and worked with W&L like he wanted, and they were willing to do, we'd have another Revolution album, and perhaps threads like this wouldn't exist at all. I said "prime" .. I didn't say he and they couldn't be good. There's a difference between being at the absolute top of ones game (as in "prime") with ground breaking ideas and raw energy and the urgency to fulfill these ideas, and then being what I think Prince is now. I agree though (and that really IS another discussion), that Prince and the Revolution, at their time of breaking up, still hadn't reached all that they could have reached. Creatively, the constellation of Prince and the Revolution, was still on their way up. . . . but if they got together, I doubt they would pick up from where they left in the 1980s, no, they'd start from where they are now. And as I said, I'd rather Prince found a new muse or some new play mates to push him in new directions. How ever, I have this idea, that we might just disagree on symantics. |
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GraffitiKid said: Prince is like a solo act, all the musicians around him are easily replaceable. He doesn't need any group of people to make good music. It always has, and always will come down to him.
That's highly untrue. If his musicians were just replaceable and a non-entity in his music, these kinds of threads wouldn't exist. Chemistry is undeniable. His band's input over the years is irrefutable. The music is the evidence. The fandom is the jury. And threads like these are the verdict. | |
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I think what everyone has to realize is that, what you resist will persist. It's the law of attraction...Prince and the Revolution will get back together...mark my words...IT WILL HAPPEN! The talent is still there, the question is, since Prince is a poor business man on certain levels how would this be marketed to where everyone will benefit from this project besides Prince? Because we all know that Prince, money, music, and Prince's ego don't mix...  | |
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Aaron6 said: I think what everyone has to realize is that, what you resist will persist. It's the law of attraction...Prince and the Revolution will get back together...mark my words...IT WILL HAPPEN! The talent is still there, the question is, since Prince is a poor business man on certain levels how would this be marketed to where everyone will benefit from this project besides Prince? Because we all know that Prince, money, music, and Prince's ego don't mix...
It will never happen. Ever. | |
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Aaron6 said: I think what everyone has to realize is that, what you resist will persist. It's the law of attraction...Prince and the Revolution will get back together...mark my words...IT WILL HAPPEN! The talent is still there, the question is, since Prince is a poor business man on certain levels how would this be marketed to where everyone will benefit from this project besides Prince? Because we all know that Prince, money, music, and Prince's ego don't mix...
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Thebanishedone, rasies a interesting point. I don't know if many of you may realize this, but Prince was getting ALOT OF criticism from the black press for abandoning his "funk roots" (code words for abandoning black fan base) after the success of Purple Rain, and I think this was the main reason why Prince broke up the Revolution. Just take a look at a pic of the Revolution of 86" and "The Signs/Lovesexy band" of 87/88, it wasn't by accident that the "look" changed. Why you think Prince added Wally and that other dude (with the ugly furr thing on his head) to the band? The intoxication of "SUPERSTARDOM" was starting to make Prince feel, I believe, that he was "selling out", especially after the disaster of UTCM which was predominately a all white cast. Wally, Jerome, and that other dude was added to the band so Prince could feel "grounded", much to W&L's dismay. Many of you have read that Wendy had a "problem" with Prince adding "non musicians" to the band and I am sure to a certain level racial tension started to rear it's ugly head in the Prince and Revolution's racial "utopia". Sure W&L were "threatening" to leave anyway, but I believe Prince had a hard time dealing with the success and PRESSURE of being a black "pop" star, and the only other black star that had to deal with that kind of pressure during the 80's of "selling out" during that time period was Michael Jackson and you see how the success of being a black pop "Superstar/ICON" effected him...You got to understand Michael Jackson and Prince were the first black male stars to have that kind of success all at once in the 80's, not even James Brown knew their success. Prince & MJ to a large degree made white America feel comfortable, because they were veiwed as "non-threatening". Sure Prince may fuck your daughter, but white America was never scarred of him either...just some food for thought people... Aarom 6ix | |
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ernestsewell said: GraffitiKid said: Prince is like a solo act, all the musicians around him are easily replaceable. He doesn't need any group of people to make good music. It always has, and always will come down to him.
That's highly untrue. If his musicians were just replaceable and a non-entity in his music, these kinds of threads wouldn't exist. Chemistry is undeniable. His band's input over the years is irrefutable. The music is the evidence. The fandom is the jury. And threads like these are the verdict. Not exactly. What percentage of the fanbase posts on message boards? I'd wager that the majority of Prince's overall fanbase couldn't name 3 of Prince's band members from any given era. The reason threads like this keep popping up endlessly is mostly due to the same people posting the same thoughts over and over much like those who repeatedly start threads to declare their undying love, or the ones who obsess over how cute he is, who he's dating, etc. That's why you see so many dead horse emoticons on re-hashed topics. Some people prefer to focus on one or two facets of Prince and some tend to embrace the whole. I will agree that a certain chemistry existed with the girls at that particular time but one can't really step into the same river twice and I highly doubt the wisdom of trying to recreate the same chemistry after over twenty years. For every fam who still pines for the Revolution sound there are others like me who were ready for something else when Prince decided to move on. Prince has always been a solo act regardless of the input of various band members at any given time. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Baby noz i started this thread and i know every member
who ever was in any Prince band formation. i know their playing style's so you don't have a point there. You say no to the Revolution reunion i say why not? it can be fun like reunion of high school buddies | |
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ernestsewell said: catpark said: It's never gonna happen.
Bands split up and go there separate ways for a reason(s). Exactly. It was W&L who were jumping ship before the Hit N Run Tour and Bobby talked them down at the 11th hour. Brownmark wanted out too. We all know the stories. Besides, Prince has played "America" with Mark, Matt, and Bobby, and worked with W&L over the years, including being on the Brit Awards (which is the best "Purple Rain" has sounded since 1986), Tavis Smiley, and on various songs on his album, and one on theirs. Compile all that stuff, and there you have it. There's your reunion compilation. I actually am not familiar with the stories of what happened. (before you start with the whole google search thing, been there done that didn't find diddly.) Can someone fill me in on the specifics? | |
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thebanishedone said: Baby noz i started this thread and i know every member
who ever was in any Prince band formation. i know their playing style's so you don't have a point there. You say no to the Revolution reunion i say why not? it can be fun like reunion of high school buddies No. you missed my point. I'm saying that the majority of Prince's fanbase do not post on fansites and most of them don't remember specific band members. You wouldn't fall into that category, so I wasn't referring to you. I was telling Ernest that if we consider the entire fandom and not just those who visit fansites his band members are probably not as indispensable as we tend to think here on the org. I thought W&L were cool back in the day as much as the next person but I gotta tell ya that on 7/7/7 Wendy was great at the Target show playing familiar material but at the aftershow where there was a lot of freestyling going on she had a bit of difficulty finding the groove and keeping up. And on the Brit awards poor Lisa looked like she wished she was somewhere else...anywhere else. 
It's just that I haven't seen anything in their limited contact with each other in recent years that leads me to believe a reunion would be all that great. In fact, I don't miss the former NPG members either. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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AnaB said: I actually am not familiar with the stories of what happened. (before you start with the whole google search thing, been there done that didn't find diddly.) Can someone fill me in on the specifics?
Wendy & Lisa wanted to leave before the Parade tour. They just weren't happy with what was going on. Brownmark wanted out too. W&L had actually made it as far as the airport to fly back to Los Angeles. Prince dispatched Bobby to catch them and stop them. He did talk them out of leaving, and they came back. Prince told Brownmark that there was a lot of money to be made on this tour, and promised him he would make a lot. He ended up paying Brownmark roughly $3000 a week, which is PALTRY for any musician in a band like that. Mark had turned down a gig playing for Stevie Nicks on tour that would have been more than double that. But he believed Prince, and fell for it. Sheila had been sitting in at times playing (like on "Alexa De Paris", I believe, as well as "Love or $" - I forget which ones she was on). Bobby had a feeling he might be on his way out. Prince later told him, "I think Sheila is going to play with me for a while." Bobby said, "I think that's a great idea." Prince promised to fulfill Bobby's contract financially, and actually kept Bobby on payroll until the contract expired. So on that point, Prince manned up. W&L really disliked Jerome, Greg, and Wally being comic foils in the band. They felt the guys made the band look like clowns rather than a great band. I'm not sure they were happy about the expanded line up with Miko either, but I'm not totally sure. Doesn't seem like Eric & Atlanta were an issue though. Prince also knew Matt would want to stay, and Prince asked Miko to stay on board as well. He also absorbed Levi from Sheila's band, and kept Eric and Atlanta Bliss. Prince was also fighting a lot and going through an eventual breakup with Susannah through all this. Once the tour ended in Japan, everyone knew it was over. W&L refer to this concert in their song, "Song About". It makes me want to cry
Thinking about you “Beautiful” you said The way you shook your head So strange, that no one stayed At the end of the parade The "Beautiful" comment was made at the end of "Sometimes It Snows In April" or "Purple Rain" on that last night, I believe, by Prince. The other obvious line is "no one stayed at the end of the parade". The whole song is about them singing to Prince, and almost mourning the breakup, but leaving it on a good note. That last night, Prince didn't' say anything in the limo back to the hotel. Eric notes that tension being palatable. Everyone seemed to know it was the last time the Revolution would ever play together, and so far, that's correct. You really should get a hold on "DMSR" from Per Nilsen. These stories are in there, and told with great detail and heart. Despite it being a bad time of a breakup, it's obviously a huge part of Princestory. [Edited 2/17/10 17:43pm] | |
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ernestsewell said: AnaB said: I actually am not familiar with the stories of what happened. (before you start with the whole google search thing, been there done that didn't find diddly.) Can someone fill me in on the specifics?
Wendy & Lisa wanted to leave before the Parade tour. They just weren't happy with what was going on. Brownmark wanted out too. W&L had actually made it as far as the airport to fly back to Los Angeles. Prince dispatched Bobby to catch them and stop them. He did talk them out of leaving, and they came back. Prince told Brownmark that there was a lot of money to be made on this tour, and promised him he would make a lot. He ended up paying Brownmark roughly $3000 a week, which is PALTRY for any musician in a band like that. Mark had turned down a gig playing for Stevie Nicks on tour that would have been more than double that. But he believed Prince, and fell for it. Sheila had been sitting in at times playing (like on "Alexa De Paris", I believe, as well as "Love or $" - I forget which ones she was on). Bobby had a feeling he might be on his way out. Prince later told him, "I think Sheila is going to play with me for a while." Bobby said, "I think that's a great idea." Prince promised to fulfill Bobby's contract financially, and actually kept Bobby on payroll until the contract expired. So on that point, Prince manned up. W&L really disliked Jerome, Greg, and Wally being comic foils in the band. They felt the guys made the band look like clowns rather than a great band. I'm not sure they were happy about the expanded line up with Miko either, but I'm not totally sure. Doesn't seem like Eric & Atlanta were an issue though. Prince also knew Matt would want to stay, and Prince asked Miko to stay on board as well. He also absorbed Levi from Sheila's band, and kept Eric and Atlanta Bliss. Prince was also fighting a lot and going through an eventual breakup with Susannah through all this. Once the tour ended in Japan, everyone knew it was over. W&L refer to this concert in their song, "Song About". It makes me want to cry
Thinking about you “Beautiful” you said The way you shook your head So strange, that no one stayed At the end of the parade The "Beautiful" comment was made at the end of "Sometimes It Snows In April" or "Purple Rain" on that last night, I believe, by Prince. The other obvious line is "no one stayed at the end of the parade". The whole song is about them singing to Prince, and almost mourning the breakup, but leaving it on a good note. That last night, Prince didn't' say anything in the limo back to the hotel. Eric notes that tension being palatable. Everyone seemed to know it was the last time the Revolution would ever play together, and so far, that's correct. You really should get a hold on "DMSR" from Per Nilsen. These stories are in there, and told with great detail and heart. Despite it being a bad time of a breakup, it's obviously a huge part of Princestory. [Edited 2/17/10 17:43pm] Thank you, Much appreciated. Thanks for the info. "DMSR" the song from 1999? | |
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AnaB said: Thank you, Much appreciated. Thanks for the info. "DMSR" the song from 1999?
No, this: 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/D...0946719233 | |
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ernestsewell said: AnaB said: Thank you, Much appreciated. Thanks for the info. "DMSR" the song from 1999?
No, this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/D...0946719233 Thanks  | |
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ernestsewell said: co- friggin sign We are all so full of  here | |
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