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Thread started 02/15/10 2:11pm

mancabdriver

Compilation album post 1993?

Why have all compilation albums of Prince’s GH only included material up to ‘love symbol’? My sister brought ‘Ultimate Prince’ (which was released in 2006) and I was going through the track list, it’s so poor and pointless – it has all the songs from ‘the hits/ b-sides’ apart from ‘money don’t matter 2nite’.

I don’t understand why they can’t include songs from ‘The Gold Experience’, Come’, ‘Emancipation’, ‘Musicology’ etc… especially since TMBGITW is his biggest hit in Europe, despite him changing his name he was still with Warner Bros so it shouldn’t be a problem. Also why doesn’t any albums include tracks from ‘batman’?
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Reply #1 posted 02/15/10 2:43pm

billymeade

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The compilations were put out by Warner Bros, thus only material he recorded under WB was eligible.
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Reply #2 posted 02/15/10 2:52pm

BlackbeltJones

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I loved Ultimate. It was the only place to find most of those 12" remixes in digital form (go here for details: http://prince.org/msg/7/329678). In fact, give us more compilations w/ 12" versions of tracks on them Warner!
It's almost like there is an "event horizon" for stupidity - once you fall below that line, you're too stupid to know you're stupid.
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Reply #3 posted 02/15/10 3:37pm

ernestsewell

BlackbeltJones said:

I loved Ultimate. It was the only place to find most of those 12" remixes in digital form (go here for details: http://prince.org/msg/7/329678). In fact, give us more compilations w/ 12" versions of tracks on them Warner!

It's not like they were remastered or something. The errors in "U Got The Look" 12" are still on Ultimate.
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Reply #4 posted 02/15/10 3:45pm

ernestsewell

The Batman exclusion is obvious. Think about it.

There needs to be a "Very Best of prince" type album. Only stuff from 1993-2000, excluding COME or The Black Album, since they were Prince albums, proper. There's a lot of prince based material to do a "Very Best" (meaning, the best from each album, not released singles like a GH can be). He should add a live version of "Get Yo Groove On", and the live studio mix of "Somebody's Somebody", among the tracks. Also, the original TMBGITW, instead of the Gold version (which is just as good, but let's keep the original alive on something like this). It could easily be a two-disk set.
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Reply #5 posted 02/15/10 4:28pm

BlackbeltJones

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ernestsewell said:

BlackbeltJones said:

I loved Ultimate. It was the only place to find most of those 12" remixes in digital form (go here for details: http://prince.org/msg/7/329678). In fact, give us more compilations w/ 12" versions of tracks on them Warner!

It's not like they were remastered or something. The errors in "U Got The Look" 12" are still on Ultimate.


No, not remastered... but free of vinyl surface noise, so a HUGE upgrade in my book. I mean T's is one of the best 12" boots out there, but even his stuff isn't free of snap, crackle and pop. Remastered or not, I'll take a clean version of those tracks anyday.
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Reply #6 posted 02/15/10 6:10pm

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mancabdriver said:


I don’t understand why they can’t include songs from ‘The Gold Experience’, Come’, ‘Emancipation’, ‘Musicology’ etc… especially since TMBGITW is his biggest hit in Europe, despite him changing his name he was still with Warner Bros so it shouldn’t be a problem. Also why doesn’t any albums include tracks from ‘batman’?

Batman is a licensing issue. TMBGITW and The Gold Experience have issues regarding ownership, nothing on any of the other post-prince Warner albums is probably deemed worthy of putting on a compilation release since no other hits were gleaned from these albums, and everything after Warners is on various other record labels, and Prince owns the rights too.
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Reply #7 posted 02/16/10 10:53am

mancabdriver

NouveauDance said:

mancabdriver said:


I don’t understand why they can’t include songs from ‘The Gold Experience’, Come’, ‘Emancipation’, ‘Musicology’ etc… especially since TMBGITW is his biggest hit in Europe, despite him changing his name he was still with Warner Bros so it shouldn’t be a problem. Also why doesn’t any albums include tracks from ‘batman’?

Batman is a licensing issue. TMBGITW and The Gold Experience have issues regarding ownership, nothing on any of the other post-prince Warner albums is probably deemed worthy of putting on a compilation release since no other hits were gleaned from these albums, and everything after Warners is on various other record labels, and Prince owns the rights too.



So there are licensing issues with everything on the batman soundtrack? That sucks especially since some of the b-sides from that era were on the 93 hits package.

I think Prince has some songs worthy of the place on a GH package e.g., 'musicology', 'fury' and 'black sweat' to name a few.
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Reply #8 posted 02/16/10 10:58am

ernestsewell

mancabdriver said:

NouveauDance said:


Batman is a licensing issue. TMBGITW and The Gold Experience have issues regarding ownership, nothing on any of the other post-prince Warner albums is probably deemed worthy of putting on a compilation release since no other hits were gleaned from these albums, and everything after Warners is on various other record labels, and Prince owns the rights too.



So there are licensing issues with everything on the batman soundtrack? That sucks especially since some of the b-sides from that era were on the 93 hits package.

I think Prince has some songs worthy of the place on a GH package e.g., 'musicology', 'fury' and 'black sweat' to name a few.

The B-sides are different than the album songs. None of the Batman stuff was on The Hits, or the Peach 2-CD set, except that "Partyman" made it out of the gate a bit on one of those CDs. WB owns the Batman stuff, and Prince acted more as a hired hand for that, opposed to an artist putting out a new album of material. It was a proper soundtrack, so of course the movie company is going to own it like that, especially when you're dealing with such a huge franchise like Batman or Superman.
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Reply #9 posted 02/16/10 11:06am

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ernestsewell said:

The Batman exclusion is obvious. Think about it.

There needs to be a "Very Best of prince" type album. Only stuff from 1993-2000, excluding COME or The Black Album, since they were Prince albums, proper. There's a lot of prince based material to do a "Very Best" (meaning, the best from each album, not released singles like a GH can be). He should add a live version of "Get Yo Groove On", and the live studio mix of "Somebody's Somebody", among the tracks. Also, the original TMBGITW, instead of the Gold version (which is just as good, but let's keep the original alive on something like this). It could easily be a two-disk set.



Yeah Get Yo Groove On (with the Madhouse 6 bit) would be good. So would the alternate version of Emancipation that he mimed to at the Brits.

Erik
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Reply #10 posted 02/16/10 11:11am

NoVideo

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Hmmm...

I'd guess a Best of prince album would look something like this:


1. The Most Beautiful Girl in the World
2. Lovesign
3. I Hate U
4. Gold
5. 319
6. Dolphin
7. Count The Days
8. Betcha By Golly Wow
9. The Holy River
10. Somebody's Somebody
11. Sleep Around
12. The One
13. Come On
14. The Truth
15. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold
16. ManOWar
17. Baby Knows
18. I Love U, But Don't Trust U Anymore
* * *

Prince's Classic Finally Expanded
The Deluxe 'Purple Rain' Reissue

http://www.popmatters.com...n-reissue/
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Reply #11 posted 02/16/10 2:05pm

NouveauDance

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mancabdriver said:[quote]

NouveauDance said:


So there are licensing issues with everything on the batman soundtrack?

I am guessing here, that it is just the tracks with samples. IIRC, Partyman on the Peach CD single (from The Hits) was edited so the Jack Nicholson sample at the start was removed. Batdance is probably the only single they'd want on a compilation and that's the one that has samples all over the show, so there's no way to edit them out.
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Reply #12 posted 02/16/10 2:10pm

NoVideo

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NouveauDance said:[quote]

mancabdriver said:

NouveauDance said:


So there are licensing issues with everything on the batman soundtrack?

I am guessing here, that it is just the tracks with samples. IIRC, Partyman on the Peach CD single (from The Hits) was edited so the Jack Nicholson sample at the start was removed. Batdance is probably the only single they'd want on a compilation and that's the one that has samples all over the show, so there's no way to edit them out.



Yes, I believe you are correct - the issue is the samples.
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Reply #13 posted 02/16/10 2:14pm

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NoVideo said:

Hmmm...

I'd guess a Best of prince album would look something like this:


1. The Most Beautiful Girl in the World
2. Lovesign
3. I Hate U
4. Gold
5. 319
6. Dolphin
7. Count The Days
8. Betcha By Golly Wow
9. The Holy River
10. Somebody's Somebody
11. Sleep Around
12. The One
13. Come On
14. The Truth
15. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold
16. ManOWar
17. Baby Knows
18. I Love U, But Don't Trust U Anymore



That's one terrible comp. And yet people argue he didn't peak in the 80s?
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Reply #14 posted 02/16/10 2:24pm

NoVideo

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TwiliteKid said:



That's one terrible comp. And yet people argue he didn't peak in the 80s?



Heh you won't hear me argue that! lol His finest work is definitely in the 80s.

I do think he had some stellar work in the 90s, but it was scattered about and inconsistent.
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Reply #15 posted 02/16/10 2:43pm

TrevorAyer

actually thats not a bad comp minus sleep around and the god aweful baby knows i wouldnt mind hearing that mix but id like to see disk 2 with

slave
dig u better dead
wasted kisses
billy jack bitch
my computer
right back here in my arms
dreamin about u
high
push it up
underneath the cream
dont play me
calhoune square
whats my name


re peak of the prince coming soon are u ready for the dawn
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Reply #16 posted 02/16/10 4:31pm

TwiliteKid

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TrevorAyer said:




re peak of the prince coming soon are u ready for the dawn


LOL, you seriously believe that? I've got some ocean-front property in Arizona for ya.
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Reply #17 posted 02/16/10 5:00pm

muleFunk

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The most obvious problem with a post 1993-96 album is that Prince was with multiple record companies who still holds some rights to the distribution of those songs.

Prince was with EMI,Arista,Universal,Sony, and God knows who else.The earliest that you will see that will be around 2016.
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Reply #18 posted 02/16/10 5:09pm

ernestsewell

muleFunk said:

The most obvious problem with a post 1993-96 album is that Prince was with multiple record companies who still holds some rights to the distribution of those songs.

Prince was with EMI,Arista,Universal,Sony, and God knows who else.The earliest that you will see that will be around 2016.

Wrong. Prince wasn't under a contract with those people. They were distribution deals ONLY. Prince owns his masters. He can compile anything post 1996 however he wants. The thing is, he just won't do it.

And if he does a prince only collection, that'd be a good move, because all the NPGMC stuff was pretty much under the "Prince" moniker, so that'd be another compilation (albeit one of crap). The few prince songs from NPGMC probably aren't worth a compilation anyway.
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Reply #19 posted 02/16/10 6:54pm

muleFunk

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Earnest you know better than I but I am sure that I read either here on the Org or somewhere else that even with his Master tapes he still is prevented for a period of time from compiling an CD with songs from different labels for at least 15 years.

He owns the rights and whoever uses them is responsible for royalties to Prince but he cannot just produce a CD of that material without paying Arista.

Like I said someone check me because I may be all wrong here but I am sure that I read that somewhere.
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