HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I never said I didn't care for Tom. I grew up listening to Tom in Dallas and loved listening to him every morning. I was disappointed that his national show wasn't "as good" as his local show, though. I understand that he had to change his show to appeal to a national audience, but TJ just doesn't seem to be the same person.

I love the premise of the TJ Foundation and I admire him for having the guts to stand up for the issues that he feels are important to Black America. What bothers me is when he "cracks" jokes that I don't necessarily agree with. There have been many times I have felt that TJ overstepped his line as an air personality and voiced his opinion on certain issues. That was one of the main reasons he wanted to get away from ABC Radio Networks.

ABC used to get on him and tell him not to say/do certain things. THen he started Reach and started saying WHATEVER HE WANTED. When Radio-One bought part of Reach, he was still able to say whatever he wanted because Cathy and the RO crew didn't care as long as they got ratings.

When I compared TJ to Russ and Glenn, I didn't mean for it to sound like they are the same. It is a known fact that any radio personality has their own "followers". Al Sharpton has his, Tavis Smiley has his. All of them set out to do the same thing and that is share their opinion and sparking conversation with their listeners.

Anyway, tell me what's the difference between Steve Harvey's show and Tom's show? They both claim to have the same agenda and that is to entertain and inform Black America. The difference is that TJ is a radio veteran and sounds good on the air. Steve is a comedian that has pretty much done "on the job training" and made it work. He has had to do it twice to get it half-way right. I'll take TJ over Steve any day because TJ can hold an intelligent conversation with a guest. Steve can barely complete a sentence without a script.

Too many problems on a cruise-ship for Prince..

Seclusion and Freedom

Too many problems on a cruise-ship for Prince..

He's just too big of an act for a Cruise..


Security (Drunks, druggies, fights, falls, sickness, etc..)
Stage
Searches for iPhones, Blackberries, other camera-phone, cameras, and recording devices searches..
Staff
Seclusion and Freedom
1 concert only
Being too close to people, and not on a real high stage.
Soundchecks
Prince fans buying up all the Tickets before Tom Joyner's Ol' School Jam fanbase can call Ticketmaster.
Setlists (Toms' mostly black Ol'School soul and funk crowd) or (the pop-rock, white, mixed crowd).


I'm sure that Prince probably asked his (sax player) Mike Phillips who I saw on TV during an exclusive/elite cruise for Michael Jordan's Golf Classic. (Bill Clinton arrived on whatever the island it was, for the golf game, but not too many "common folks" were on that cruise. Actors, entertainers, and fellow Pro Sports players were on board while Phillips jammed with Brian McKnight and other performers..for..Charity))

I know that Tom is facing some serious competition from Steve Harvey and other comedians who have delved into a market (morning syndication for R&B stations), and that he wanted Prince for the "big score", but he should have considered all of these factors beforehand.

Prince did, and priced himself out of it.

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PurpleLove7 said:

DMSRCMC12 said:

Linn4days said:

Prince fans buying up all the Tickets before Tom Joyner's Ol' School Jam fanbase can call Ticketmaster.

That's the first thing I thought of if Prince had agreed to do the cruise. The Prince fams who have never even heard of Tom Joyner would have bought those tickets up immediately and the fans of Tom Joyner or the other artists on the cruise would be unable to attend.
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daPrettyman said:

You didn't have to say that you don't care for TJ, your statements on this thread, exhibit that...clearly!

I personally, don't know the difference between Tom and Steve's show because I don't listen to either...enough to make a distinction!

As soon as there is an affordable way for me to get Pandora.com in my car, I'll never listen to "regular" radio again!

What I do KNOW is NEITHER of them...uses their radio shows to maliciously manipulate their audiences nor create a divide amongst the masses, in anywhere near the same vein that Limbaugh and Beck DOES!

For that...in your zealous effort to defend Prince...you've shot your credibility and objectivity...straight to hell...with ME!

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CJBabyDaddy said:

I agree. He's not a "Tom" at all.

prince does this crap to only black industry people who has put a lot of support in his music.

daPrettyman said:

It's my personal opinion of the cat, I've listened to him a few times. I like Micheal Baisden better. Then again, I listen to Sirius XM radio now.

Tom Joyner is Tom Joyner

PurpleLove7 said:

You like Baisden? I don't care for him either. I'd take Tom over him any day.

I, too, subscribe to Sirius XM and their urban programming is very weak. I miss the old XM. They had more variety and actually had programmers that KNEW music. The people programming now have the urban formats sounding like regular radio.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

How can u say u don't listen 2 them and then say what they do or don't do? "For that....in your zealous effort to defend" Tom and Steve,"you've shot your credibility and objectivity....straight to hell with ME!"

Easily! I'm not a regular listener but I have heard their shows. More importantly, my production company has covered numerous events they've both brought to Detroit, so I've seen with my own eyes what they do with and for the community!

My personal listening choice is Pandora. I've set up my channels based on the moods I'm in. Whatever I'm in the mood for is what I hear with absolutely no commentary and very, very few commercials. So it's like I said...as soon as there is an affordable way for me to get Pandora.com in my car, I'll never listen to "regular" radio again!

Sure, the approach may be different, but they all have agendas they want to get across to the audience. What's the difference between Steve or Tom using compairsons like "what they do" or "they don't get it" vs. what Rush or Glenn do? The major difference is that Tom or Steve wouldn't be on in any markets if they said it differently.

If you really can't see for yourself, the difference in what Tom or Steve puts out over the airwaves vs what Rush or Glenn does, there's just no point in me telling it to you!

BTW, I'm not defending P. I don't care if P chooses to play for $10 or $10,000,000. That's his pocketbook and not mine.

prince does this crap to only black industry people who has put a lot of support in his music.

shayde said:

You do know that celebs get tons of stuff for free, right?

Also, WTF does this have to do with PRINCE ASKING $1,000,000 to do a CHARITY cruise?

my response is for everyone who is still confused about what all this is about. prince has always had a shakey relationship with black jocks, black concert promotors, black mag writers and everyone else in the urban entertainment world.my understanding of this whole thing is that tom joyner was going to set up a performance on one of the stops that the cruise made on the way so prince and his band can perform in a more relaxed setting. but leave up to prince and his manangment to clown tom joyner who has been one of his biggest supporters in radio.

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jackson35 said:

This is complete and utter bullshit. Prince has had a shakey relationship with damn near everybody in the entertainment business over the course of his 30 year career. This is not a black entertainment industry vs. white entertainment industry thing. It's a --Prince isn't doing anything Prince does not want to do thing.--

Please do cut the crap. As others have pointed out he performed for the State of the Black Union Conference for friggin free as a favor to his friend Tavis Smiley. And he has given money to charities of all sorts just without the fanfare some like to see.

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Conversely, if he were the victim of a brutal murder, I'm sure a lot of folks here would blame him. maybe you'd say some dumb shit like "he never got his crystal ball CD, it was justified." Or whatever.

my response is for everyone who is still confused about what all this is about. prince has always had a shakey relationship with black jocks, black concert promotors, black mag writers and everyone else in the urban entertainment world.my understanding of this whole thing is that tom joyner was going to set up a performance on one of the stops that the cruise made on the way so prince and his band can perform in a more relaxed setting. but leave up to prince and his manangment to clown tom joyner who has been one of his biggest supporters in radio.

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Here we are back to perception, and i am sure both sides have suffered from it. As a black listener of Prince i've seen black media waffle in their support of the man for years and i've seen black listeners begrudge him as well. In my opinion as stated earlier, Prince dont owe this segment of his audience and the mediums they subscribe to a damn thing, hell he feels that about his hardcore fans so what is so different about this stance?. We as black folks professional and non professional have to take responsibility for the inconsistant dynamic we've created with this particular icon. Prince from day one marketed and presented himself as a complete artist, but we in the black community who focused on the funk and slow jams refused to see that (Bambi, I"m yours etc) until he crossed over-and then it gave them an excuse to call him a sellout. He was always a pompous dude, and he's dissed more white folks with this attitude than blacks, but when it's us then he's not down with the community. And like i stated earlier, Prince was always the target of bullshit humor about his appearance and taste by Black Jocks, Comedians, andy brotha with access to a mic usually has an underhanded comment about him. Prince, i'm sure is aware of this and as a mature legend he has faught hard to call his own shots and write his own checks. Joyner's conduct is not foriegn to Prince!

my response is for everyone who is still confused about what all this is about. prince has always had a shakey relationship with black jocks, black concert promotors, black mag writers and everyone else in the urban entertainment world.my understanding of this whole thing is that tom joyner was going to set up a performance on one of the stops that the cruise made on the way so prince and his band can perform in a more relaxed setting. but leave up to prince and his manangment to clown tom joyner who has been one of his biggest supporters in radio.

Honestly as a Prince fan from the jump, who took major bullshit from black kids for having similair characteristics and not running from him when he picked up an ax- I've never felt comfortable seeing him on BET lol. When he did the Image awards i wanted to hurl, these people dont want repsect you, they have to and most of them "real"brotha's in the audiance are dancing because they want to stay close to the pussy. I respect both sides, but i'm biased against all of those cats, all of the so called black radio community who claimed to have made him and jumped the fuck off the boat the minute ATWIAD dropped. Prince's audiance has always been diverse racially, sexual orientation, politically and otherwise and the black folks that hung are usually black folks considered alternative and weird by their peers. I get upset when he skrews us, but i dont give a damn when he blows off the traditional R&B set, because a lot of them dont love our boy no damned way-so fuck em. Do Charity your way Prince, dont let the BET crowd get to you, "they" despite what they think didnt make you and your too damned big for em to break you. When you get that Super Bowl gig, eh hem Tom Joyner cant talk enough shit to fuck with your money homey -holla.