I think its funny odd and confusing and ultimately dissappointing how some allow Prince to be able to be androgynous and revel in it..but when it is pointed out that he is on one side of the gender spectrum (the female even though one can say thats a generalized statement which is obviously what I meant )..once he is on the one side of the spectrum, such as the "female" perspective, then people trip on that. Its like fanatics say "Prince has both sides which makes him a complete being and a happy medium of male,adrogyny, sensitivity, and honesty!" but when he is put up to be seen in a female perspective, folks ( not saying those who posted, but in general) flip the fuck out. He can be adrogynous AND from the male perspective (dont wanna lose that loverman vibe eh?) but he CANT be from a females perpsective totally? It is chauvanistic to think his songs about love/hurt can be written from a female perspective but otherwise other songs of of hurt and pain from a male perpsective are alright or more accepted? People are a trip.



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[This message was edited Fri Jan 17 14:49:16 PST 2003 by rdhull]

VioletTheOrganGrinder said:

See, this is what I get when I use my own interpretation instead of finding out what Vedder meant! Thanks for the correction. I knew it was about oppression, but didn't know it had anything to do with a gay male. This is why songwriting, and poetry, can't always be taken at face value (other times it may seem complex but SHOULD be taken at face value). And this is another reason that video isn't always good for a song, even though it's good for business. Some things should be left to the imagination.
[This message was edited Fri Jan 17 14:14:12 PST 2003 by Supernova]

rdhull said:

damn RD...u gettin' DEEP today, aintcha?

I hear your voice..

FirstAvenue said:

Im not trying too..it seems I have to to be able to explain myself to people who are miscontstruing what I mean. Maybe Im not explaining myself clearly enough..but then again Im going from the standpoint that some will have at least some semblence of understanding my poiint and not just take what I say so superficially as a "prince is hot" post.

rdhull said:

This has nothing to do with fanatacism...if you would read the posts carefully, you would see that most people agree with your general premise, they just disagree with the weak examples that you chose to use. i.e. Men don't wait by the phone, women do--that's complete bull--anyone's heart can be broken

I agree, Prince did sometimes write from a woman's point of view, rdhull, but I don't agree with your examples. I would think "how come you don't call me anymore" & "17 days" could be written from a man's point of view just as well as a woman's.

HotThang said:

I have no problem witn the examples I used because they are correct in the point that I was making, I cant help if people dont se it or dont agree with it. And again I never said men dont get their heart broke ( where do I say that? huh?)...but no males Iknow wait by the phone etc. But since this was written aways back it was in the mindset that broken hearted females waited by the phone..and again Im not saying thats gender specific. saying it was written like that ina gender specific way that was the way of the world and a stereotype. Dont get mad at me I just pointed that out..get mad at Prince

I think songs like "If I was Your Girfriend"&"I Could Never take the Place of your Man" throw Him in between both Roles&He plays His 3rd Person.that is the thing with Prince playing the roles from the 3rd Person perspective&combing them too work as a Writer.

mistermaxxx said:

No way...IIWYG shows just how deep a man is in love with his woman..that he wants the same camradarie that women have with each other etc...and possibly to be one.

And ICNTTPOYM? huh? Why?


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[This message was edited Fri Jan 17 18:39:13 PST 2003 by rdhull]

rdhull said:

Prince does Role-Playing in the Song&tells a story.from your title on this thread did you take into consideration His 3rd Person stance?